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Today's topics:
Re: @arts <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: @arts <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: FAQ 4.32 How do I strip blank space from the beginn <dalessio@motorola.NOSPAM.com>
Home directory not seen as writable in Vista <invalid@invalid.org>
Re: Home directory not seen as writable in Vista <sisyphus1@nomail.afraid.org>
Re: Home directory not seen as writable in Vista <invalid@invalid.org>
Re: How do you continue in a for loop? <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Re: I finally got a round tuit. (My first JAPH) <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Object creation failure in perl <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Re: SOAP::Lite "service" examples <john1949@yahoo.com>
Re: SOAP::Lite "service" examples <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Re: Windows based perl editor? <net@www.humdai>
Re: Windows based perl editor? <wahab-mail@gmx.de>
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:31:39 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: @arts
Message-Id: <qop5b35tepedoqvahpcs6i63aa2jddiep5@4ax.com>
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:00:31 -0700, "Steve K." <savagebeaste@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>sigful, probably yes, but you'd be more so if your sig actually compiled
>:)
It does for me:
brandy:~ [10:27:53]$ perl -c
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
- syntax OK
brandy:~ [10:28:04]$
Which perl version are you using BTW?
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:37:45 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: @arts
Message-Id: <d1q5b3li82l5kh1sdh42qfhn9c2i88m7c9@4ax.com>
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:03:03 -0700, Keith Keller
<kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>and so on. But it doesn't terminate! Now Michele's sig is eating up
>all my CPU. What am I supposed to do?!?
Press Ctrl-c
>(Actually, I think Michele was referring to the part above the sig
>block:
Yep, it was a joke on some of the last posts...
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:47:01 -0500
From: "Mario D'Alessio" <dalessio@motorola.NOSPAM.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.32 How do I strip blank space from the beginning/end of a string?
Message-Id: <f8sum2$s0p$1@newshost.mot.com>
"Michele Dondi" <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
news:sfd3b3lfnphuk3qa9vked52olhd108e02f@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:55:44 -0500, "Mario D'Alessio"
> <dalessio@motorola.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>>> s/^\s+//;
>>> s/\s+$//;
>>
>>This is such a common task that I think it would be
>>worthwhile to have a dedicated, more efficient command
>>for it, similar to chomp/chop.
>
> I don't think so. That would be much in the php philosophy. Perl is
> already a "large" language, but it still provides relatively simple
> tools that linked together make for a synergic effect.
>
> And as for efficiency... is the provided solution not fast enough? I
> can't imagine many situations in which this would matter.
I never timed it, but I wondered if the processing of a
regex makes it less efficient than a dedicated command
similar to chomp.
Mario
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:02:21 +0200
From: David Sudlow <invalid@invalid.org>
Subject: Home directory not seen as writable in Vista
Message-Id: <46b2e10b$0$5077$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>
I came across this problem whilst trying to get started with the
OpenOffice::OODoc module, but I have reduced it to the simple script below:
if (-w ".") {print "writable\n"} else {print "Not writeable\n"}
This gives 'writable' in xp or linux, but 'not writable' in vista, when
run from a folder in my home directory.
Same result for:
>perl -e "if (-w qq{.}) {print qq{writable\n}} else {print qq{Not
writeable\n}}"
from the command line.
Is this a perl on vista issue or something funny with my machine's set-up?
Dave
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:27:19 +1000
From: "Sisyphus" <sisyphus1@nomail.afraid.org>
Subject: Re: Home directory not seen as writable in Vista
Message-Id: <46b2f4eb$0$1462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
"David Sudlow" <invalid@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:46b2e10b$0$5077$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
.
.
>
> This gives 'writable' in xp or linux, but 'not writable' in vista, when
> run from a folder in my home directory.
>
> Same result for:
> >perl -e "if (-w qq{.}) {print qq{writable\n}} else {print qq{Not
> writeable\n}}"
>
> from the command line.
>
> Is this a perl on vista issue or something funny with my machine's set-up?
>
It's more likely something with your machine's set-up, rather than anything
to do with perl.
The only directories I could find where that one liner reported "Not
writable" were "Program Files" and "Program Files (x86)" - running from a
user account on Vista Business 64, with perl-5.8.8.
Which version of perl are you running ?
What is the full path to your home directory ?
Cheers,
Rob
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:54:10 +0200
From: David Sudlow <invalid@invalid.org>
Subject: Re: Home directory not seen as writable in Vista
Message-Id: <46b2fb41$0$25949$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>
Sisyphus wrote:
>
> "David Sudlow" <invalid@invalid.org> wrote in message
> news:46b2e10b$0$5077$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> .
> .
>>
>> This gives 'writable' in xp or linux, but 'not writable' in vista,
>> when run from a folder in my home directory.
>>
>> Same result for:
>> >perl -e "if (-w qq{.}) {print qq{writable\n}} else {print qq{Not
>> writeable\n}}"
>>
>> from the command line.
>>
>> Is this a perl on vista issue or something funny with my machine's
>> set-up?
>>
>
> It's more likely something with your machine's set-up, rather than
> anything to do with perl.
>
> The only directories I could find where that one liner reported "Not
> writable" were "Program Files" and "Program Files (x86)" - running from
> a user account on Vista Business 64, with perl-5.8.8.
>
> Which version of perl are you running ?
> What is the full path to your home directory ?
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
ActiveState Perl 5.8.8 build 820
My home directory is c:/Users/dave and I have tried running from various
sub-directories therein.
The problem is not permissions as such but the result of the -w test
when applied to a directory.
The following script:
use Cwd;
print "Current directory: " . getcwd() . "\n";
if (-w ".") {print "writable\n"} else {print "Not writeable\n"}
open (LOG, ">", "logfile") or die "Can't create logfile";
print "Opened logfile\n";
if (-w "./logfile") {print "writable\n"} else {print "Not writeable\n"}
print LOG "Log\n" or die "Unable to print to logfile\n";
close LOG or die "Unable to close logfile\n";
gives me this result (!):
C:\Users\dave\Desktop\Test_ooDoc>perl write.pl
Current directory: C:/Users/dave/Desktop/Test_ooDoc
Not writeable
Opened logfile
writable
So I can write to the directory from perl despite the negative test.
This leads to the problem using OpenOffice::OODoc as it performs the
test and believes the false result.
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:17:42 +0100
From: Ian Wilson <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How do you continue in a for loop?
Message-Id: <46b2f2b8$0$24753$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>
Michele Dondi wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:22:36 +0200, Mark Clements
> <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
>>>$_ is a pronoun. $i is a noun. Each is good for what it's good, don't
>>>talk so bad 'bout $_ please. Anyway I agree with you: $i is perfectly
>>>fine for integer indexes.
>>>
>>
>>But something like $ii or $ix is easier to search for whatever the
>>editor (much less worrying about word boundaries and so forth).
>
>
> Well, if you use either $i or $_ for anything that may require a
> search with your text editor, then you're on your own. And in that
> case $ii or $ix may not be that good either...
>
Someone once recomended small names for small scopes, big names for big
scopes. I find that a useful maxim.
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:01:52 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: I finally got a round tuit. (My first JAPH)
Message-Id: <2kr5b3t45o4a7uj6q771lo09p543rkoub4@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:41:23 GMT, Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
wrote:
>>> s/33/35/ (IMHO)
>>>
>>
>> Yeah,
>
>
>Pay no attention to that followup, it is not a matter of opinion.
Pay no attention to that followup: while a classical JAPH is not a
matter of opinion, but nobody prohibits you to deviate from the
standard if you the deviation is interesting enough.
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:55:02 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Object creation failure in perl
Message-Id: <j5r5b3p7qsbn0fttn5jjujhg0d0e7foun0@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:15:29 -0700, ramesh.thangamani@gmail.com wrote:
>Cool people. Thanks for you responses sorry for troubling you ( I
>thought i can get some common cases). I will check in my code more and
>if I am unable to debug more I will try to post a similar code. The
>problem is it is a code which I can't post here.
This is a common situation, and nobody asks you to post the actual
code. Probably it contains too much irrelevant stuff too, for people
to want to read it in detail. Prepare a minimal example removing stuff
step by step as long as the problem persists (this may actually be
slightly more difficult to do in your case than in other ones, due to
the nature of the problem) and chances are that you may even find the
solution yourself in the course of doing so.
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:11:10 GMT
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.8 $)
Message-Id: <iyAsi.635$rG7.112@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
Outline
Before posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Must
- Check the Perl Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- Check the other standard Perl docs (*.pod)
Really Really Should
- Lurk for a while before posting
- Search a Usenet archive
If You Like
- Check Other Resources
Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Is there a better place to ask your question?
- Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
- Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
- Use an effective followup style
- Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
- Ask perl to help you
- Do not re-type Perl code
- Provide enough information
- Do not provide too much information
- Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
Social faux pas to avoid
- Asking a Frequently Asked Question
- Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
- Asking for emailed answers
- Beware of saying "doesn't work"
- Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
Be extra cautious when you get upset
- Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
- Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
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Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
This is recommended in all Usenet newsgroups. Here in clpmisc, most
flaming sub-threads are not about any feature of Perl at all! They
are most often for what was seen as a breach of netiquette. If you
have lurked for a bit, then you will know what is expected and won't
make such posts in the first place.
But if you get upset, wait a while before writing your followup. I
recommend waiting at least 30 minutes.
Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
After you have written your followup, wait *another* 30 minutes
before committing yourself by posting it. You cannot take it back
once it has been said.
AUTHOR
Tad McClellan and many others on the comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup.
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Tad McClellan
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:38:16 +0100
From: "John" <john1949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SOAP::Lite "service" examples
Message-Id: <V8idnWxUfrz7Ri_bRVnyiAA@eclipse.net.uk>
<xhoster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20070802215906.104$gS@newsreader.com...
> I'm having trouble getting SOAP::Lite "service" method to work properly.
> All of the examples I've seen point to wsdl's that are either not found
> or just give no response.
>
> http://www.xmethods.net/sd/StockQuoteService.wsdl
> http://svc.perl.org/Svc.wsdl
>
> Does anyone have a working example of how to make a call with SOAP::Lite
> service which uses a working, publicly available SOAP server?
>
> Also, I haven't been impressed with my experience with SOAP::Lite. When I
> try to use it on our internal wsdls I get inscrutable errors, where other
> language's SOAP support seems to work fine. Is there something else
> designed to make SOAP easy to use that I might want to try? (SOAP::WSDL
> uses SOAP::Lite under the hood, so I suspect it will have the same
> problem.
> It refuses to install with cpan under a non-privileged user, so I haven't
> yet tested it directly. Trying to fix that will be the next step, unless
> I
> get good suggestions here.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Xho
>
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Hi
I have been down this road before.
Can you show us what you have already written?
Regards
John
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:44:17 +0100
From: Ian Wilson <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SOAP::Lite "service" examples
Message-Id: <46b2f8f3$0$31717$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>
xhoster@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm having trouble getting SOAP::Lite "service" method to work properly.
> All of the examples I've seen point to wsdl's that are either not found
> or just give no response.
>
> http://www.xmethods.net/sd/StockQuoteService.wsdl
> http://svc.perl.org/Svc.wsdl
>
> Does anyone have a working example of how to make a call with SOAP::Lite
> service which uses a working, publicly available SOAP server?
Public services seem to be somewhat ephemeral.
It isn't hard to make a trivial SOAP::Lite service of your own, use
POD::WSDL to create some WSDL for it and then consume that WSDL with a
SOAP::Lite client that uses the "service" method.
> Also, I haven't been impressed with my experience with SOAP::Lite. When I
> try to use it on our internal wsdls I get inscrutable errors, where other
> language's SOAP support seems to work fine. Is there something else
> designed to make SOAP easy to use that I might want to try? (SOAP::WSDL
> uses SOAP::Lite under the hood, so I suspect it will have the same problem.
SOAP::Lite is somewhat quirky and has poor support for any SOAP service
that isn't RPC/Encoded.
I haven't found anything better than SOAP::Lite. Actually, there doesn't
seem to be any significant competition.
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:21:52 +0100
From: Steve Pointer <net@www.humdai>
Subject: Re: Windows based perl editor?
Message-Id: <1186125681.77058.0@iris.uk.clara.net>
emacs!!
Bill H wrote:
> I have been using Edit (in a dos box) on Windows for editing perl for
> the past 8 years or so, and though it is fine for me, I think it is
> time to step up to a windows based editor. Can anyone recommend a good
> windows based perl editor?
>
> My wish list for what the editor would be able to do is:
>
> 1. Allow me to run the program I am editting in a dos box (using
> active state perl)
> 2. Have multiple undos
> 3. Create multiple back up files as I save changes (a form of version
> control so I can step back to a previous "version" if what I did
> doesnt work right).
> 4. Syntax hilighting
> 5. Multiple programs open at the same time
> 6. Some form of project structure to allow me to group all the files
> together
>
> Most of these "wishes" come from the MS Visual C++ editor I used to
> use before discovering perl.
>
> Searching the internet I came across Perl Express (http://perl-
> editor.perl-express.com/) but am leary of downloading programs I find
> on the internet without knowing if they are safe.
>
> I am not sure if this would influence your recommendtions but the
> majority (99%) of the perl I write is used on web servers.
>
> Any / all suggestions are appreciated.
> Bill H
>
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:54:46 +0200
From: Mirco Wahab <wahab-mail@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Windows based perl editor?
Message-Id: <f8unbu$fm0$1@mlucom4.urz.uni-halle.de>
skywriter14 wrote:
> Can anyone refer to anything as good as these? I have heard good
> things about Ultra Edit and an IDE from ActiveState. But they are not
> free, right?
Activestate has two things, it has an (very good imho) Editor,
which is "KomodoEdit", for free and an Editor+Visual Debugger+
Subversion interface, which is "Komodo". The "Komodo"-thing
allows you to debug in CGI environment, which you can set up
interactively (realy really nice). But this doesn't come
for free - but you'll have the chance of a 21 day free
test of the full version.
If you are used to the Visual Studio Tools, you'll surely
feel "at home" with the Komodo-Tools.
my € 0,02
Regards
M.
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