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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 8 Jul 2007 Volume: 11 Number: 633
Today's topics:
Re: Certfication in AWK or SHell programming <savagebeaste@yahoo.com>
Re: Certfication in AWK or SHell programming <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: Certfication in AWK or SHell programming <gldncagrls@aol.com.mil>
Re: How to check a form's field and exit Perl program i <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Re: In windows, start default app associated with file <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
new CPAN modules on Sun Jul 8 2007 (Randal Schwartz)
Perl programming needed jimejobob@thehodown.com
Re: re-lurking <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: re-lurking <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
stopping spam with JavaScript (was: Re: validating a gr <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and <dak@gnu.org>
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and <moranar@gmail.com>
Re: validating a group of variables aneely@canada.com
Re: validating a group of variables <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Re: validating a group of variables <noreply@gunnar.cc>
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:33:45 -0700
From: "Clenna Lumina" <savagebeaste@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Certfication in AWK or SHell programming
Message-Id: <5fb7peF3au1agU1@mid.individual.net>
Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>> "e" == ehabaziz2001 <ehabaziz2001@gmail.com> writes:
>
> e> can I have any kind of certfifcation in Awk and SED and if the
> answer e> is NO What is the nearest certfication to SED,AWK and even
> any e> certfifcation to shell programming?
>
> i will issue you a certificate if you pay me! it probably will be as
> useful as any other you could get (which is not much) and i expect i
> would charge less and make sure you know more. :)
Will it have proper use of capitalizations? :)
--
CL
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:05:25 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Certfication in AWK or SHell programming
Message-Id: <x7zm278oz0.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "CL" == Clenna Lumina <savagebeaste@yahoo.com> writes:
CL> Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>>> "e" == ehabaziz2001 <ehabaziz2001@gmail.com> writes:
>>
e> can I have any kind of certfifcation in Awk and SED and if the
>> answer e> is NO What is the nearest certfication to SED,AWK and even
>> any e> certfifcation to shell programming?
>>
>> i will issue you a certificate if you pay me! it probably will be as
>> useful as any other you could get (which is not much) and i expect i
>> would charge less and make sure you know more. :)
CL> Will it have proper use of capitalizations? :)
i charge more for caps as it requires setting more 1 bits.
uri
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:41:18 -0700
From: Golden California Girls <gldncagrls@aol.com.mil>
Subject: Re: Certfication in AWK or SHell programming
Message-Id: <OLqdnfzhlaq0CA3bnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@championbroadband.com>
Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> i charge more for caps as it requires setting more 1 bits.
>
> uri
>
I don't even think it does even in EBCDIC!
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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:03:17 -0400
From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How to check a form's field and exit Perl program if it has a value?
Message-Id: <UtYji.398$Q66.294@newsfe12.lga>
Lambik wrote:
> Lots of professions protect their profession. To be a lawyer you have to
> pass a bar exam. To be a doctor you have to be registered and follow certain
> guidelines. Why isn't there something like that in our business?
Because things move too quickly, on the one hand, and because the field
is too broad, on the other. For example, thirty years ago, I would have
failed any /test/ based on COBOL, because I didn't use COBOL often
enough to have the fine details of its syntax and semantics at my
fingertips -- but when something went thoroughly ca-ca in a COBOL
program, I was the one who could fix it, because I could outcode and
outdebug anyone else where I worked, and I could always look up language
details if I needed to.
> Our
> business is being poisoned by 17 year old nephews who know how to use
> Frontpage or Word. And I regret to say: we let it happen.
"Logically, anything I don't understand is unimportant."
-- The Pointy-Haired Boss
--
John W. Kennedy
"Compact is becoming contract,
Man only earns and pays."
-- Charles Williams. "Bors to Elayne: On the King's Coins"
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:33:57 +0200
From: "Petr Vileta" <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Subject: Re: In windows, start default app associated with file type
Message-Id: <f6pmcn$1bgj$2@ns.felk.cvut.cz>
Lambik wrote:
> "Petr Vileta" <stoupa@practisoft.cz> wrote in message
> news:f6oalh$n27$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz...
>> Hmm, I tried this and I found that "FileProtocolHandler" is the
>> constant defined somewhere in url.dll library. Right?
>> --
>
> Depends on what you call "constant". Basicly, a DLL is what we in
> Perl call a package. In contains a number of subroutines.
> FileProtocolHandler is such a subroutine. You call the program
> rundll.exe and ask it to open a package called url.dll and run its
> subroutine FileProtocolHandler with given arguments. Much as you
> would do in Perl like:
>
> perl -MURL.dll -e "FileProtocolHandler (\"
> http://tiger.la.asu.edu/Quick_Ref/perl_quickref.pdf\")"
>
> of course this will not work but you get my drift.
Thank you for explaining. I have no knowledge about rundll.exe tricks.
--
Petr Vileta, Czech republic
(My server rejects all messages from Yahoo and Hotmail. Send me your mail
from another non-spammer site please.)
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:42:14 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Sun Jul 8 2007
Message-Id: <JKuFqE.1t8@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
Alter-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~anno/Alter-0.02/
*Alter Ego* Objects
----
AutoCons-0.01_06
http://search.cpan.org/~riddle/AutoCons-0.01_06/
Write a Construct file.
----
Bundle-CGI-Dependencies-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~ski/Bundle-CGI-Dependencies-0.01/
installs CGI prerequisites
----
CGI-Application-Dispatch-Server-0.52
http://search.cpan.org/~markstos/CGI-Application-Dispatch-Server-0.52/
A simple HTTP server for developing with CGI::Application::Dispatch
----
CPAN-1.91_51
http://search.cpan.org/~andk/CPAN-1.91_51/
query, download and build perl modules from CPAN sites
----
CPANPLUS-0.81_01
http://search.cpan.org/~kane/CPANPLUS-0.81_01/
API & CLI access to the CPAN mirrors
----
CPANPLUS-Dist-Deb-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~kane/CPANPLUS-Dist-Deb-0.08/
----
Carp-REPL-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~sartak/Carp-REPL-0.05/
read-eval-print-loop on die
----
Carp-REPL-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~sartak/Carp-REPL-0.06/
read-eval-print-loop on die
----
Catalyst-Action-REST-0.50
http://search.cpan.org/~holoway/Catalyst-Action-REST-0.50/
Automated REST Method Dispatching
----
Catalyst-Plugin-Authentication-0.09999_02
http://search.cpan.org/~jayk/Catalyst-Plugin-Authentication-0.09999_02/
Infrastructure plugin for the Catalyst authentication framework.
----
Catalyst-Plugin-Authentication-Store-DBIx-Class-0.10
http://search.cpan.org/~jayk/Catalyst-Plugin-Authentication-Store-DBIx-Class-0.10/
A storage class for Catalyst Authentication using DBIx::Class
----
Class-CodeStyler-0.27
http://search.cpan.org/~gaffie/Class-CodeStyler-0.27/
Perl extension for code generation program formatting and execution.
----
Convert-Age-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~cfedde/Convert-Age-0.02/
convert integer seconds into a "compact" form and back.
----
DBIx-SearchBuilder-1.49
http://search.cpan.org/~jesse/DBIx-SearchBuilder-1.49/
Encapsulate SQL queries and rows in simple perl objects
----
DateTime-TimeZone-0.6603
http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-TimeZone-0.6603/
Time zone object base class and factory
----
Digest-SHA2-1.1.1
http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Digest-SHA2-1.1.1/
A variable-length one-way hash function (deprecated in favor of Digest::SHA)
----
Digest-Whirlpool-1.0.6
http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Digest-Whirlpool-1.0.6/
A 512-bit, collision-resistant, one-way hash function
----
ExtUtils-Install-1.41_04
http://search.cpan.org/~yves/ExtUtils-Install-1.41_04/
install files from here to there
----
Filter-1.34
http://search.cpan.org/~pmqs/Filter-1.34/
----
Finance-TW-TSEQuote-0.27
http://search.cpan.org/~clkao/Finance-TW-TSEQuote-0.27/
Check stock quotes from Taiwan Security Exchange
----
GD-Barcode-Code93-1.2
http://search.cpan.org/~dimartino/GD-Barcode-Code93-1.2/
Create Code93 barcode image with GD
----
Games-Go-Sgf2Dg-4.211
http://search.cpan.org/~reid/Games-Go-Sgf2Dg-4.211/
----
HTML-Embellish-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~cjm/HTML-Embellish-0.01/
Typographically enhance HTML trees
----
HTML-Embellish-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~cjm/HTML-Embellish-0.02/
Typographically enhance HTML trees
----
Incunabulum-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~apeiron/Incunabulum-0.02/
Extensible, plugin-based MVC framework
----
Module-CGI-Install-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Module-CGI-Install-0.05/
Installer for CGI applications
----
Module-MultiConf-0.0100_01
http://search.cpan.org/~oliver/Module-MultiConf-0.0100_01/
Configure and validate your app modules in one go
----
Net-MRIM-0.7
http://search.cpan.org/~aau/Net-MRIM-0.7/
Perl implementation of mail.ru agent protocol
----
Net-SFTP-Foreign-1.27
http://search.cpan.org/~salva/Net-SFTP-Foreign-1.27/
Secure File Transfer Protocol client
----
SQL-AnyDBD-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~dmuey/SQL-AnyDBD-0.03/
Perl extension to generate SQL for RDBMS variants
----
Sendmail-PMilter-0.96
http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Sendmail-PMilter-0.96/
Perl binding of Sendmail Milter protocol
----
Statistics-Regression-0.52
http://search.cpan.org/~iawelch/Statistics-Regression-0.52/
weighted linear regression package (line+plane fitting)
----
Statistics-Regression-0.53
http://search.cpan.org/~iawelch/Statistics-Regression-0.53/
weighted linear regression package (line+plane fitting)
----
Test-GreaterVersion-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~ggoldbach/Test-GreaterVersion-0.01/
Test if you incremented VERSION
----
WWW-Mechanize-Shell-0.44
http://search.cpan.org/~corion/WWW-Mechanize-Shell-0.44/
An interactive shell for WWW::Mechanize
----
WebService-NFSN-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~cjm/WebService-NFSN-0.02/
Client for the NearlyFreeSpeech.NET API
----
perl-5.9.5
http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.9.5/
Practical Extraction and Report Language
----
re-engine-PCRE-0.11
http://search.cpan.org/~avar/re-engine-PCRE-0.11/
Perl-compatible regular expression engine
----
re-engine-Plan9-0.10
http://search.cpan.org/~avar/re-engine-Plan9-0.10/
Plan 9 regular expression engine
----
xchar-0.2
http://search.cpan.org/~bwkeck/xchar-0.2/
single character names for X windows and geometries
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:31:56 GMT
From: jimejobob@thehodown.com
Subject: Perl programming needed
Message-Id: <f6pibj1ud9@news4.newsguy.com>
This is what I need...
When visitors whats to register(subscribe) they register and pay through
"SQL QuickRegister" using the PayPal module. And at the same time, the SQL
QuickRegister script will insert the new members username, password and
email address into the Eblah forum and the subscriber pro database's as
well.
If the visitor does not want to register(subscribe), they can still sign up
for the weekly newsletter which is the subscriber pro script.
The only problem I can foresee is that if a member tries to change their
password from other than SQL QuickRegister that could screw up things. So in
this case, I imagine we'll have to make a redirect link back to the SQL
QuickRegister script so the member can make the changes there which will
update all three programs.
If you are interested in doing this script modification, please contact me
at:
brian@combatpaintball.net
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:45:37 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: re-lurking
Message-Id: <x7abu7a78d.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "JS" == Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> writes:
JS> Wade Ward wrote:
>> It's a perl script. I think it's ironic that I can get news with OE
>> and other apps, but can't with a computer language that was designed
>> to do this.
JS> Not ironic at all. Read the documentation. (I'm embarrassed to say
JS> I missed the part in the docs that Uri pointed out.)
i will be offering a new perl service to the masses, reading the docs
out loud on tape (or whatever medium you prefer - podcasts?)!
people always say i have a voice (and face!) for radio and voice work.
:-)
uri
--
Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:33:06 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: re-lurking
Message-Id: <lg4193ls2mc58frpi1e83hohbngdf49qme@4ax.com>
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:53:49 -0700, Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote:
> > It's a perl script. I think it's ironic that I can get news with OE
> > and other apps, but can't with a computer language that was designed
> > to do this.
>
>Not ironic at all. Read the documentation. (I'm embarrassed to say
I hadn't noticed that comment, and yes: not ironic at all. In fact
however big a piece of crap OE could be, it's been developed over
years by professional programmers to deal amongst others, with Usenet
news. So for the other apps. OTOH I didn't know that Perl had been
specifically "designed to do this". Even if it were, and in a strict
sense, how can one compare an *application* and a language*?!?
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:50:03 +0200
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: stopping spam with JavaScript (was: Re: validating a group of variables)
Message-Id: <f6qfmo.1eg.1@news.isolution.nl>
Petr Vileta schreef:
> John W. Kennedy:
>> Jürgen Exner:
>>> If you want to stop spam being sent from your web site then you have
>>> to lock it down and allow mail submissions only from authenticated
>>> users. Or at least require a "Please enter the text that you are
>>> seeing in
>>> this picture" for every individual mail submission. Yes, they are
>>> annoying. Unfortunately in real live they are the lesser evil.
>>
>> I have had great success with not including the submit button in the
>> HTML, instead creating it from JavaScript.
>
> Good idea too ;-) But should be somewhere in the page some like this
>
> <noscript>
> <big style="color: red">
> Your browser have not enabled Javascript so this page will not work!
> Are you paranoic?
> </big>
> </noscript>
This has nothing to do with Perl.
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:11:41 +0200
From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
Message-Id: <853azza0gy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
Twisted <twisted0n3@gmail.com> writes:
> On Jul 7, 6:12 pm, Lew <l...@lewscanon.nospam> wrote:
>> Twisted wrote:
>> Edward Dodge wrote:
>> >> So -- what magical computer app illuminates the entire room and shows
>> >> you how to use everything at the flip of a switch? This brilliant
>> >> discovery would put Sam's, O'Reilly, the for-Dummies series, and
>> >> virtually every other computer book publisher out of business in weeks.
>> >> Naturally, this would include the publishers of books on "easy-to-use"
>> >> Microsoft products.
>>
>> > I don't know, but it sure as hell isn't emacs.
>>
>> The reason you don't know, and Edward Dodge's point, is that there is no such
>> app, whether emacs or not.
>
> Translation: since perfection is unattainable, we shouldn't even try,
> and just foist upon our poor users whatever awkward and hard-to-learn
> interface pops into our heads first?
I recommend you just shut up _until_ you have checked out a recent
version of Emacs. You just have no clue what you are talking about
and are still stuck in the eighties.
Emacs has an obvious "Help" toolbar button in the standard place, it
has a "Help" menu in the standard place, it reacts to presses of F1 by
delivering help, it has tooltips all over the mode line and for pretty
much every menu entry (and the menus are plenty and well-sorted for
doing the most-frequent tasks).
In addition, the quality of those help items is far above average.
But you would not know since you prefer babbling about some passing
decade-old experience. If you had invested half of the time using
Emacs you have invested for complaining about it, you'd at least have
a chance not to look like the totally pompous clueless idiot you do
now.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 01:28:35 -0700
From: Adriano Varoli Piazza <moranar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
Message-Id: <1183883315.265068.61600@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
Twisted wrote:
[...]
BASTA. Basta, cazzo (unprintable, Italian). Stop it. It wasn't funny
10 messages into your subthread, and it's even less fun now. It's
obvious you're trolling, but nevertheless, in the undescribably
improbable case you _are_ being serious:
a) Notepad is over there: --->*
b) If you do want to keep an antediluvian copy of emacs -probably
versioned in the negative numbers, for all you've said- please do. Do
be so kind as to send a copy, since it might be quite valuable as an
antique.
c) Powerful programming editors assume some willingness to learn their
interface. Deal.
d) Your capacity of denial is remarkable. Please do send us your
contact info, so that we may avoid dealing with you on a professional
basis.
--
killfile-ly yours,
Adriano
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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:27:54 -0700
From: aneely@canada.com
Subject: Re: validating a group of variables
Message-Id: <1183865274.809666.103510@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 7, 5:24 am, "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w
+nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 07/07/2007 12:26 AM, Petr Vileta wrote:
>
> > Robert Valcourt wrote:
> >> Hello,
>
> >> We have been suffering much lately from users abusing our Website
> >> forms with Spam. I have evaluated most of the spam submissions and im
>
> > The best way is to implement CAPTCHA into your script.
>
> No it is not. Please read Gunnar's message on how to stop blog spammers
> without using captchas.
Yes, but that only works if cookies are activated.
>
> Captchas are evil. I'm not even blind, and I can barely see the capcha
> letters most of the time.
>
> Every year since that braindamage was introduced, the captchas have
> gotten more and more unreadable. What's next? Random pixels thrown onto
> the screen that must be interpreted according to some secret, hidden
> language?
The reason they are getting more and more unreadable is that some of
the bots now have OCR technology built into them, so they can now
'read' images.
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:30:51 +0200
From: "Petr Vileta" <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Subject: Re: validating a group of variables
Message-Id: <f6pmcm$1bgj$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>
John W. Kennedy wrote:
> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>> If you want to stop spam being sent from your web site then you have
>> to lock it down and allow mail submissions only from authenticated
>> users. Or at least require a "Please enter the text that you are seeing
>> in
>> this picture" for every individual mail submission. Yes, they are
>> annoying. Unfortunately in real live they are the lesser evil.
>
> I have had great success with not including the submit button in the
> HTML, instead creating it from JavaScript.
Good idea too ;-) But should be somewhere in the page some like this
<noscript>
<big style="color: red">
Your browser have not enabled Javascript so this page will not work! Are you
paranoic?
</big>
</noscript>
--
Petr Vileta, Czech republic
(My server rejects all messages from Yahoo and Hotmail. Send me your mail
from another non-spammer site please.)
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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:35:15 +0200
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: validating a group of variables
Message-Id: <5fbf32F3c90toU1@mid.individual.net>
aneely@canada.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 5:24 am, "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w
> +nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On 07/07/2007 12:26 AM, Petr Vileta wrote:
>>> The best way is to implement CAPTCHA into your script.
>>
>> No it is not. Please read Gunnar's message on how to stop blog spammers
>> without using captchas.
>
> Yes, but that only works if cookies are activated.
Who surfs the www today without allowing session cookies?
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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