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Perl-Users Digest Fri, 20 Apr 2007 Volume: 11 Number: 367
Today's topics:
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <glennj@ncf.ca>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <nikos1337@gmail.com>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? jayjuliano@optonline.net
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <glennj@ncf.ca>
Re: Server For Rent? Where? <yankeeinexile@gmail.com>
Suppress warning <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Re: What are the vestiges of Pascal left in Perl? (aka ? the Platypus)
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:09:14 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <dmeh235evr87lqkht3hdk2kptdsutufqvp@4ax.com>
On 20 Apr 2007 03:17:38 -0700, skieros <nikos1337@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Your typos convey that you do not value the time of your audience.
>
>No, they just convey that i type faster that i currently can, which
>iam correcting at the moment.
I call that impoliteness at best. And it exactly amounts to not value
the time of your audience.
>> That is likely to piss them off too.
>
>Not all of the people here are anti-social dorks like you are.
No, either all of them are. Or some idiot is not. Go with the idiots
if you like. FWIW the person you're responding to is nothing but
anti-social. Though your desrespectful behavious suggests *you* are.
*PLONK*
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:11:01 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <8teh231kf19pl16l8jeqg70khsvvpnjlg4@4ax.com>
On 20 Apr 2007 04:16:07 -0700, skieros <nikos1337@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Please stop sending me insulting mails, contact me with insulting
>> > messages through instant messengers
>>
>> I have never sent you an email nor contacted you via IM.
>>
>> > You send me 5 mails yesterday and every hour talk to me to IM
>>
>> No I didn't.
>>
>> > Youa re one sick puppy.
>>
>> And you make false accusations.
[snip]
>Sure you did many many times, dont make me search incoming mails....
I wouldn't believe that even if I saw it...
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:13:31 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <u0fh23pclj6sjg48d2fdqc8gtqvtdt0eqs@4ax.com>
On 20 Apr 2007 03:23:15 -0700, skieros <nikos1337@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Perl has nothing to do with the World Wide Web. In fact, most people
>> here don't know how to program Perl for the web. In the late 90's Perl
>> became the language of choice for CGI applications but Perl was never
>> written nor meant to be used for the internet. You apparently didn't
>> know, which is not a big deal. But Jurgen Exner Tad McClellan, and
>> Michele Dondi are classic anti-social dorks who don't know how to
>> socially interact with other PEOPLE.
s/PEOPLE/clpmisc idiots/;
>I will agree on Jurgen Exner Tad McClellan behaviour, Michael Dondi is
>more nice
Nope, I rate higher amongst the top turds for 2007. I'm the rudest
Italian ever, says the troll.
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:20:39 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <X_3Wh.1$oo5.0@trndny06>
Mirco Wahab wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 5:47 am, jayjuli...@optonline.net wrote:
>>> Perl has nothing to do with the World Wide Web. In fact, most people
>
> Just a small correction to the parent poster. Of course,
> Perl has "nothing to do with the Internet", because when
> Perl was made, there wasn't such a thing like the Internet
> (as we know it today). So this assertion seems to be trivial.
[...]
> So the above assertion says something like "Airplanes has
> nothing to do with World War II" or "Rockets has noting to
> do with World War III".
As interesting as this comparison is it falls short in at least one aspect:
At that time the whole justification for aviation was to support the war
effort and civilian aviation was pretty much non-existant. On both sides of
the trenches.
Perl however -as you pointed out- came into existance without the WWW and
the WWW never had any influence in the language design or its features.
Or to put it in different words: without WW II aviation would not be where
it is today while without the WWW Perl as a language would be exactly the
same as it actually is today.
jue
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 14:26:06 GMT
From: Glenn Jackman <glennj@ncf.ca>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <slrnf2hjbv.8fm.glennj@smeagol.ncf.ca>
At 2007-04-20 10:20AM, "Jürgen Exner" wrote:
> Or to put it in different words: without WW II aviation would not be where
> it is today while without the WWW Perl as a language would be exactly the
> same as it actually is today.
Except without the CGI::*, LWP::*, MIME::*, etc, modules. (I know, not
all of those are core modules)
--
Glenn Jackman
"You can only be young once. But you can always be immature." -- Dave Barry
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 10:26:37 -0400
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <87zm539l5u.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "MD" == Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it> writes:
MD> Nope, I rate higher amongst the top turds for 2007. I'm the
MD> rudest Italian ever, says the troll.
Do you have a website somewhere where you're collecting all these awards?
Charlton
--
Charlton Wilbur
cwilbur@chromatico.net
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 07:58:07 -0700
From: skieros <nikos1337@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <1177081087.253456.172190@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 20, 4:13 pm, Michele Dondi <bik.m...@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
> On 20 Apr 2007 03:23:15 -0700, skieros <nikos1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Perl has nothing to do with the World Wide Web. In fact, most people
> >> here don't know how to program Perl for the web. In the late 90's Perl
> >> became the language of choice for CGI applications but Perl was never
> >> written nor meant to be used for the internet. You apparently didn't
> >> know, which is not a big deal. But Jurgen Exner Tad McClellan, and
> >> Michele Dondi are classic anti-social dorks who don't know how to
> >> socially interact with other PEOPLE.
>
> s/PEOPLE/clpmisc idiots/;
>
> >I will agree on Jurgen Exner Tad McClellan behaviour, Michael Dondi is
> >more nice
>
> Nope, I rate higher amongst the top turds for 2007. I'm the rudest
> Italian ever, says the troll.
>
> Michele
> --
> {$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
> (($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
> .'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
> 256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
i guess you are then, sorry for saying you werent one.
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:13:17 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <hM4Wh.3$oo5.1@trndny06>
Glenn Jackman wrote:
> At 2007-04-20 10:20AM, "Jürgen Exner" wrote:
>> Or to put it in different words: without WW II aviation would not
>> be where it is today while without the WWW Perl as a language would
>> be exactly the same as it actually is today.
>
> Except without the CGI::*, LWP::*, MIME::*, etc, modules. (I know,
> not all of those are core modules)
That's why are said "Perl as a _language_" ;-)
BTW: I would put MIME more into the email bucket than into the WWW bucket.
jue
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 08:56:24 -0700
From: jayjuliano@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <1177084584.255738.80870@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 20, 4:23 am, skieros <nikos1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:47 am, jayjuli...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 2:48 pm, skieros <nikos1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hello iam thinkignt o start awebdesign + domain registration +
> > > hosting company on my own and i want to ask you if you know where can
> > > i find reliable an very cheap servers for rent. Thank you.
>
> > Reliable and Cheap can't be used in the same sentence. Also, what's
> > cheap to one may not be cheap to another. You *CAN* lease dedicated
> > servers for as little as $59 a month but that particular computer
> > could be thrown together in under $250.
>
> > The BEST thing you can do (financially and performance wise) is to
> > build your own server then send you're server to a housing facility
> > that will provide you with IP addresses and a fast connection. This is
> > called co-location. Most bigwebhosts and ISPs that offer Dedicated
> > Server will have a co-location service. This is a good way to save on
> > monthly costs but you're still looking anywheres from $60 to a couple
> > hundred a month.
>
> > *IF* you cannot afford either routes you can always get a VPS (Virtual
> > Private Server). Just like the name suggests it's a virtual server
> > hosted on a dedicated server. Though it's a shared environment the
> > Memory, Resources, and Space are dedicated and guaranteed for each
> > VPS. VPS's will run anywheres from $29/month up to $99/month.
>
> > *IF* a VPS is too expensive for you then it would be a good idea to
> > get aWebHostthat offers a RESELLERS ACCOUNT. This is Shared Hosting
> > in a Shared Environment but it's usually dirt cheap. You can charge
> > your customers whatever but a portion must go to theWebHost. This is
> > the easiest way to do what you seek. This will cost you anywheres from
> > $8-$49 per month.
>
> I;am not quite sure that i have undestood the difference between a
> reseller server and a dedicated server.
> If you fell like it please explain it a little more.
Dedicated Server - A Server dedicated to YOUR web site(s) and your
user(s). In other words, you don't share the system with anyone but
your self. For a server lacking performance you are looking at $59-
$149 a month. For a quality performance server $199+/month.
Virtual Private Server - A dedicated virtual server. A VPS shares a
dedicated server with other VPS's but are guaranteed a certain amount
of Ram, CPU, and Disk Space. What one VPS does on the server should
not affect how your site runs. You can install whatever software you
want to. Each VPS functions just like a dedicated server. $29-$99 per
month for a VPS. The cheaper the VPS usually the less memory you have.
Shared Hosting - You share a Dedicated Server with hundreds of other
web sites and users. You share Ram, CPU, and Disk Space. What one web
site does with memory and resources CAN affect the performance of your
web site. You can get shared hosting from $3.99-$79.99.
Resellers Account - Same as Shared Hosting but you have a Control
Panel that allows you to Sign Up other users for accounts. Usually you
can customize THEIR control panel to make it appear like YOU are their
Web Host. The main web host gives you a discounted monthly price for
other users and whatever you charge up over that amount is your
profit.
>
> > *IF* that is too expensive than you must be reminded that it takes
> > money to make money and if you are planning to make solid money than
> > it is a wise idea to invest in your project.
>
> You are correct, so i will increase my offer to 20$/month instead of
> 5$.
$20 is nothing. $100 is nothing. In this day and age $200 is nothing
to invest into your BUSINESS. But with $20/month at least you have
enough money for a RESELLERS ACCOUNT. Which sounds exactly like what
you need.
>
> > There are too manyWebHosts out there. Since you mentioned $5/month
> > in another post I won't even bother showing you any servers. You can
> > check outhttp://www.jaguarpc.netforshared hosting.
>
> Maybe with 20$ you can?
Maybe you can. Did you check out the links I gave you?
http://www.jaguarpc.net check out this site for quality affordable
hosting. I believe they also offer a resellers account. Or check out
one of the many Web Host review web sites.
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 16:43:37 GMT
From: Glenn Jackman <glennj@ncf.ca>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <slrnf2hrdq.8fm.glennj@smeagol.ncf.ca>
At 2007-04-20 10:26AM, "Charlton Wilbur" wrote:
> >>>>> "MD" == Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it> writes:
>
> MD> Nope, I rate higher amongst the top turds for 2007. I'm the
> MD> rudest Italian ever, says the troll.
>
> Do you have a website somewhere where you're collecting all these awards?
If not, I'll rent you one for $10/month.
--
Glenn Jackman
"You can only be young once. But you can always be immature." -- Dave Barry
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 13:12:09 -0500
From: Lawrence Statton <yankeeinexile@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Server For Rent? Where?
Message-Id: <87hcrancee.fsf@gmail.com>
"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com> writes:
> Or to put it in different words: without WW II aviation would not be where
> it is today while without the WWW Perl as a language would be exactly the
> same as it actually is today.
It is impossible to prove one way or the other, but that argument
falls a little short in my mind.
Perl was developed outside the context of the web. True.
On the other hand, a huge number of programmers were drawn to Perl for
the explicit purpose of writing web applications.
How can you say with certainty that the influx of talent brought by
the 10% of those programmers who weren't "crud" at a critical time in
Perl's evolution and acceptance was or was not in-part responsible for
what Perl is today?
Of course, nothing about the aforementioned makes it right for the
drooling moron to ask about something remarkably off topic in clpm
when there are countless fora better suited to his question.
--
Lawrence Statton - lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom s/aba/c/g
Computer software consists of only two components: ones and
zeros, in roughly equal proportions. All that is required is to
place them into the correct order.
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:53:37 +0100
From: Ian Wilson <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Subject: Suppress warning
Message-Id: <4628d3fe$0$10738$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>
When I run the code below I get an unwanted warning and the expected result.
> soapclientauto.pl
Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method main::c2f() is deprecated at
soapclientauto.pl line 11.
41.1C = 105.98F.
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#!perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use SOAP::Lite +autodispatch =>
uri => 'http://www.example.com/Temperature',
proxy => 'http://localhost/cgi-bin/soapservice.pl';
{
no warnings 'deprecated';
print "41.1C = ", c2f(41.1), "F.\n";
}
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ActiveState Perl 5.8.8 on XP
The warning arises when I use SOAP::Lite's "autodispatch" feature.
`no warnings;` suppresses the warning but seems overkill.
Is there a way to identify the category of warning so I can suppress it
more selectively?
Is there another way to avoid whatever the warning is warning me of
(which I don't understand) - assuming I don't want to tinker with
SOAP::Lite?
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:06:26 GMT
From: "David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)" <dformosa@usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: What are the vestiges of Pascal left in Perl?
Message-Id: <slrnf2hips.o5h.dformosa@localhost.localdomain>
On 19 Apr 2007 21:04:05 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Mazon
<jmazon@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
> I'm stuck about Pascal.
>
> What vestige did the author have in mind?
Perhaps "pascal style" strings? (Just a random guess).
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