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Today's topics:
Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007) <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007) <cdalten@gmail.com>
Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007) <edMbj@aes-intl.com>
Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007) <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007) <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: Where did cgi-bin go? <no@email.com>
Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ire <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ire <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ire <jaford@watford53.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ire <jaford@watford53.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: XML::Parse dies hard <nobull67@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:37:39 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007)
Message-Id: <adp123hv0l0ui2flsia47qd8fddvsv7bga@4ax.com>
On 13 Apr 2007 12:31:17 -0700, cartercc@gmail.com wrote:
>> The decline in traffic is due to greater overall efficiency!
>
>Actually, it's because Perl is dying.
God is dead.
Marx is dead.
I'm most certainly not well myself.
And now you tell me even Perl is starting to feel bad...
>People are using other languages, Java, PHP,
PHP?
>and in my area, Python.
Nice area! Have fun! No, seriously, eh!
>so Perl scripts. But serious developers will use Java, or even VB
>(yes, even VB) rather than Perl, at least in my community.
And developers with a sense of humour program in Perl.
BTW: nice community!
>If you want to get laughed at, use Perl. It's so ... 80's.
Oh, you mean like the backpack on one shoulder only? (Well, in Italy
we used to at least. If you didn't, then you were considered a loser.)
Michele
--
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Date: 14 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700
From: "grocery_stocker" <cdalten@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007)
Message-Id: <1176565640.702582.123320@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 14, 12:34 am, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
> carte...@gmail.com scribed:
>
> >On Apr 12, 8:45 pm, Tad McClellan <t...@augustmail.com> wrote:
> >> The decline in traffic is due to greater overall efficiency!
>
> >Actually, it's because Perl is dying.
>
Do you have some kind of data to support this assertion?
> >People are using other languages, Java, PHP, and in my area, Python.
> >We still use a good amount of Perl, in fact, I'm engaged in a fairly
> >large database automation program which will probably use about 15 or
> >so Perl scripts. But serious developers will use Java, or even VB
> >(yes, even VB) rather than Perl, at least in my community.
>
> >If you want to get laughed at, use Perl. It's so ... 80's.
>
Each programming language has it's own strengths and weaknesses. If I
feel perl is the right tool to solve the problem, I'll use it.
> As a struggling Perl newbie, I derive little encouragement to pursue my
> education from your statements. Perhaps it's time for me to go down a
> different programming path while I'm still embryonic.
>
> I'm even less encouraged when I read:
>
> On 16 Mar, "The Count" wrote:
>
> >Im a BSc4 Maths/Computer Science student and would like to find out
> >the best way to learn programming in perl.Perl is not offered in my
> >course but I find that it is a very popular language.I can program in
> >Pascal,Delphi and C++...
>
> Perl isn't offered in the BSc/CS curriculum? That speaks loudly to me. I
> tried to take a course in Perl at my local junior college, but it's not
> offered.
>
Did schools like MIT or Stanford ever offer a "regular" course in
Perl? Please enlighten me on this because I never applied to either of
these schools.
> Which brings me back on-topic. Many of the people who come to
> comp.lang.perl.misc are people, like myself and 'The Count,' who are forced
> to learn on our own. This newsgroup is chartered to be among our Internet
> resources. I'm therefore struck with amazement when I read a group veteran's
> response to a newbie's technical question and obvious Usenet-newbie request
> that the answer be sent to him by email:
>
Forced to learn on our own? You don't learn because you love to learn?
> >How profoundly rude of you!
> >The reason this newsgroup exists is to help fellow programmers.
> >They will not be helped if you hoard the answer.
>
> How profoundly rude, indeed! Having lurked here for a couple of months, the
> offensive response was expected from the NG regular. As are set of similar
> comments, by many of the people in the OP's list. Look at the blatant
> hypocrisy in the above. Does anyone really think that this type of response
> provides assistance or fosters a desire to further participate in this
> forum? Or, to learn and perpetuate this programming language?
>
> Or, does it matter?
I forgot what else I was going to say.
Chad
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:19:47 -0700
From: Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com>
Subject: Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007)
Message-Id: <6kv123dc0juefqj20odjom2ri5kk26q0h7@4ax.com>
grocery_stocker scribed:
>On Apr 14, 12:34 am, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>> carte...@gmail.com scribed:
>>
>> >On Apr 12, 8:45 pm, Tad McClellan <t...@augustmail.com> wrote:
>> >> The decline in traffic is due to greater overall efficiency!
>>
>> >Actually, it's because Perl is dying.
>>
>Do you have some kind of data to support this assertion?
I didn't assert the question.
>
>> >People are using other languages, Java, PHP, and in my area, Python.
>> >We still use a good amount of Perl, in fact, I'm engaged in a fairly
>> >large database automation program which will probably use about 15 or
>> >so Perl scripts. But serious developers will use Java, or even VB
>> >(yes, even VB) rather than Perl, at least in my community.
>>
>> >If you want to get laughed at, use Perl. It's so ... 80's.
>>
>
>Each programming language has it's own strengths and weaknesses. If I
>feel perl is the right tool to solve the problem, I'll use it.
>
>> As a struggling Perl newbie, I derive little encouragement to pursue my
>> education from your statements. Perhaps it's time for me to go down a
>> different programming path while I'm still embryonic.
>>
>> I'm even less encouraged when I read:
>>
>> On 16 Mar, "The Count" wrote:
>>
>> >Im a BSc4 Maths/Computer Science student and would like to find out
>> >the best way to learn programming in perl.Perl is not offered in my
>> >course but I find that it is a very popular language.I can program in
>> >Pascal,Delphi and C++...
>>
>> Perl isn't offered in the BSc/CS curriculum? That speaks loudly to me. I
>> tried to take a course in Perl at my local junior college, but it's not
>> offered.
>>
>
>Did schools like MIT or Stanford ever offer a "regular" course in
>Perl? Please enlighten me on this because I never applied to either of
>these schools.
I don't know, but I have seen classes offered in javascript, Java, VB, C++
and others. I would have thought that if Perl is as popular as we'd like to
believe, it too would be offered.
>
>> Which brings me back on-topic. Many of the people who come to
>> comp.lang.perl.misc are people, like myself and 'The Count,' who are forced
>> to learn on our own. This newsgroup is chartered to be among our Internet
>> resources. I'm therefore struck with amazement when I read a group veteran's
>> response to a newbie's technical question and obvious Usenet-newbie request
>> that the answer be sent to him by email:
>>
>
>Forced to learn on our own? You don't learn because you love to learn?
You misunderstood my comment. We are forced to learn on our own versus
taking a class.
>
>> >How profoundly rude of you!
>> >The reason this newsgroup exists is to help fellow programmers.
>> >They will not be helped if you hoard the answer.
>>
>> How profoundly rude, indeed! Having lurked here for a couple of months, the
>> offensive response was expected from the NG regular. As are set of similar
>> comments, by many of the people in the OP's list. Look at the blatant
>> hypocrisy in the above. Does anyone really think that this type of response
>> provides assistance or fosters a desire to further participate in this
>> forum? Or, to learn and perpetuate this programming language?
>>
>> Or, does it matter?
>
>I forgot what else I was going to say.
>
>Chad
>
I finally understand what is meant by a 'hanging Chad!' :-))
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:50:36 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007)
Message-Id: <stv123lmg7h58uubqg42bpgt13crrka4pp@4ax.com>
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:34:28 -0700, Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>>If you want to get laughed at, use Perl. It's so ... 80's.
>>
>As a struggling Perl newbie, I derive little encouragement to pursue my
>education from your statements. Perhaps it's time for me to go down a
>different programming path while I'm still embryonic.
Please don't! (/me reads further on below...) Please do! :-)
>I'm even less encouraged when I read:
>
>On 16 Mar, "The Count" wrote:
>>Im a BSc4 Maths/Computer Science student and would like to find out
>>the best way to learn programming in perl.Perl is not offered in my
>>course but I find that it is a very popular language.I can program in
>>Pascal,Delphi and C++...
>
>Perl isn't offered in the BSc/CS curriculum? That speaks loudly to me. I
>tried to take a course in Perl at my local junior college, but it's not
>offered.
It doesn't surprise me even a little bit. In fact I don't think Perl
is best suited as a *learning* language.
>Which brings me back on-topic. Many of the people who come to
>comp.lang.perl.misc are people, like myself and 'The Count,' who are forced
>to learn on our own. This newsgroup is chartered to be among our Internet
/me too.
>resources. I'm therefore struck with amazement when I read a group veteran's
/me's too.
>response to a newbie's technical question and obvious Usenet-newbie request
>that the answer be sent to him by email:
>
>>How profoundly rude of you!
>>The reason this newsgroup exists is to help fellow programmers.
>>They will not be helped if you hoard the answer.
>
>How profoundly rude, indeed! Having lurked here for a couple of months, the
Yep, really rude. Given that help here is given on a volounteering
basis, it is also given at some conditions. One of which being that it
be public, for others to also benefit from it and possibly to allow
corrections.
ut then the OP may have asked for the answers to be handwritten on
parchment paper and delivered to his physical address along with a
bottle of champagne by a stripteaser. And from your POV it would have
been very polite, because he's "an obvious newbie" to USENET.
>offensive response was expected from the NG regular. As are set of similar
^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^
A remark that that's not the way the NG works is *NOT* offensive:
: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
:
: Offense \Of*fense"\, Offence \Of*fence"\, n. [F., fr. L.
: offensa. See {Offend}.]
: 1. The act of offending in any sense; esp., a crime or a sin,
: an affront or an injury.
Had the regular also added "you idiot", it would have been. But he
didn't...
>comments, by many of the people in the OP's list. Look at the blatant
>hypocrisy in the above. Does anyone really think that this type of response
>provides assistance or fosters a desire to further participate in this
>forum? Or, to learn and perpetuate this programming language?
Most certainly not. I'm already looking up some pornstars to hire (see
above) to be more gentle to the next newbie who pops here just saying
"help me", without helping people to help him/her (some top male
perfomer expected in the second case). Should we loose him/her, what a
terrible loss for the community would result!!
>Or, does it matter?
Yes it does matter. You should notice though, that just along with the
authoritative sources you quoted yourself, just today in a post in
some other thread I read:
: Can't thank you enough! It was (really){2,}\.\.\. dumb on my part to
: not check the faq first!
I suppose you should feel compelled now to go to that thread and warn
the incautious OP, who obviously should know better: for some reasons
he feels like thanking the group and of course just didn't realize how
hard he's been bashed and abused by the offensive regulars. Please, do
help him before it's too late!
Michele
--
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:52:44 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007)
Message-Id: <g02223952ch6f2d1dnhd3edufia2bi61n8@4ax.com>
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:19:47 -0700, Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>>Did schools like MIT or Stanford ever offer a "regular" course in
>>Perl? Please enlighten me on this because I never applied to either of
>>these schools.
>
>I don't know, but I have seen classes offered in javascript, Java, VB, C++
>and others. I would have thought that if Perl is as popular as we'd like to
>believe, it too would be offered.
As I wrote in my other post, I don't think so. Even if Perl were many
many times more popular than it actually is. I think that it's a good
thing people will learn how to program with Java. Then they will
stumble upon Perl and say: whoa, so I don't have to create a whole
class just to print "hello, world"?
>>Forced to learn on our own? You don't learn because you love to learn?
>
>You misunderstood my comment. We are forced to learn on our own versus
>taking a class.
I think that was just (probably misplaced) sarcasm.
Michele
--
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:27:06 +0100
From: Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <4620c8a5$0$16129$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> Probably developers and site architects realized that adding cgi-bin to a
> URL doesn't add any value whatsoever and therefore removed it.
I'm a perfect newbie at perl and this whole CGI business and one of the
things that I noticed from the start was the URL that I had to enter to
access my test page. Yes, it had that cgi-bin thing.
From observing other sites it is easy to see that the cgi-bin token is not
mandatory for running CGI scripts. After all, some sites like slashdot
itself are written in perl and that token doesn't appear anywhere in it,
although the .pl suffix is everywhere. Yet, I failed to find any
information about how to do away with it.
So, exactly how do we get rid of the apparently mandatory cgi-bin token?
Thanks in advance
Rui Maciel
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:49:17 -0500
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <slrnf20g9d.qm0.tadmc@tadmc30.august.net>
Milagro <Milagro> wrote:
> This might be a trivial question but I'm really wondering about this.
It has nothing to do with Perl though.
> While looking through the web years ago, you would always see dynamic
> sites URL's have cgi-bin in the URLs. Nowadays you hardly ever see it.
>
> I realize many developers use php, which of course doesn't not need
> cgi-bin in it's path.
Neither does Perl.
> But there must still be some out there using Perl for dynamic sites.
The name of a webserver directory does not imply any particular
implementation language.
> What simple
> thing am I missing here
That there is nothing magical about that particular directory name.
> Is it mod_perl (something I've never used) or is there just some
> setting in Apache that masks the use of cgi-bin?
No, there is a setting in apache that configures CGI programs.
Sometimes they are configured to execute programs in a particular
directory as a CGI program. Sometimes that directory is named cgi-bin.
Sometimes they are configured other ways.
> I know perl quite well and was going to use it to write some new web
> applications
Go ahead.
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:47:34 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <OZidnVF7lObvRr3bRVnyigA@bt.com>
Rui Maciel wrote:
> So, exactly how do we get rid of the apparently mandatory cgi-bin token?
We should probably discuss this in a more suitable newsgroup. I've set
followups to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
With the Apache webserver you can specify directories that contain CGI
scripts by using a "ScriptAlias" directive in the configuration file.
e.g. ScriptAlias /rui /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin
You can define a handler for Perl CGI scripts and state which
directories are allowed to contain Perl CGI scripts.
Apache can also be set up to look for a configuration file (e.g.
.htaccess) in each directory that contains settings for that directory.
This can be convenient for users of web-hosting services.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/cgi.html
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:52:44 +0200
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <58c4pkF2gfcf4U1@mid.individual.net>
RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> Rui Maciel wrote:
>> So, exactly how do we get rid of the apparently mandatory cgi-bin token?
>
> We should probably discuss this in a more suitable newsgroup. I've set
> followups to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
... whose moderating robot is broken, so that follow-up wasn't very
appropriate.
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:16:31 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <3n5Uh.1435$Ln5.693@trndny06>
Rui Maciel wrote:
> Jrgen Exner wrote:
>
>> Probably developers and site architects realized that adding cgi-bin
>> to a URL doesn't add any value whatsoever and therefore removed it.
>
> I'm a perfect newbie at perl and this whole CGI business
Please don't confuse Perl and CGI. Each one of them can happily live without
the other.
> and one of
> the things that I noticed from the start was the URL that I had to
> enter to access my test page. Yes, it had that cgi-bin thing.
>
> [...] Yet, I failed
> to find any information about how to do away with it.
> So, exactly how do we get rid of the apparently mandatory cgi-bin
> token?
That is a configuration question about your web server software. You should
ask in a NG that deals with web servers. Don't forget to mention which web
server you are using.
jue
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:07:43 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <tpSdnaiZj7rQYb3bnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com>
Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>> Rui Maciel wrote:
>>> So, exactly how do we get rid of the apparently mandatory cgi-bin token?
>>
>> We should probably discuss this in a more suitable newsgroup. I've set
>> followups to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
>
> ... whose moderating robot is broken, so that follow-up wasn't very
> appropriate.
>
Oops, I'd forgotten about that!
c.i.w.a.cgi has a test message dated April 6 from Sheila King who seems
to be maintaining the group's posting FAQ on behalf of Tom Boutell.
I think this is a sign that the modbot may have been fixed. I have
attempted a posting or two (following the c.i.w.a.cgi posting
guidelines) and am waiting to see if the modbot passes them ...
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:32:03 +0100
From: Brian Wakem <no@email.com>
Subject: Re: Where did cgi-bin go?
Message-Id: <58ce03F2fibstU1@mid.individual.net>
Milagro wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This might be a trivial question but I'm really wondering about this.
> While looking through the web years ago, you would always see dynamic
> sites URL's have cgi-bin in the URLs. Nowadays you hardly ever see it.
>
> I realize many developers use php, which of course doesn't not need
> cgi-bin in it's path. There's also ASP and sites using java servlet
> files.
>
> But there must still be some out there using Perl for dynamic sites.
> Even looking at perl.com I don't see cgi-bin in any paths. What simple
> thing am I missing here -- where did cgi-bin go?
> Is it mod_perl (something I've never used) or is there just some
> setting in Apache that masks the use of cgi-bin?
>
> I wrote many a perl script to generate web pages but that was back, for
> the most part in 1999 and earlier.
> I know perl quite well and was going to use it to write some new web
> applications but I'm wondering now what I need to re-learn regarding
> the good-old cgi-bin directory.
Still many, many millions of them:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=inurl:cgi-bin
--
Brian Wakem
Email: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.wakem/myemail.png
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:38:06 +0100
From: Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ireland?
Message-Id: <4620cb33$0$13153$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>
Robert wrote:
> Hey.
> How come there are no famous and widely-used open source products that
> were founded and (more or less) developed from the United Kingdom or
> Ireland? I find that odd.
The open source development model is largely based on the free exchange of
information through the internet. As a result, there is absolutely no need
for any open source project to be attached to a single country. As an
example, the development of the Linux kernel itself was started in Finland
but contributions arrived from every corner of the globe and now Linus
Thorvald himself lives and works in the US of A.
But to give a more precise answer to your question, wxWidgets (formerly
known as wxWindows) is a open source project which was started out at the
University of Edinburgh.
Rui Maciel
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:30:12 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ireland?
Message-Id: <38p1235t69nph4aic0v95i4m96vcb78cti@4ax.com>
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:38:06 +0100, Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
wrote:
>But to give a more precise answer to your question, wxWidgets (formerly
>known as wxWindows) is a open source project which was started out at the
>University of Edinburgh.
Speaking of Alba, now that you make me think about it, isn't ghc
precisely the "Glasgow Haskell Compiler"?
Michele
--
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:40:23 GMT
From: Jim Ford <jaford@watford53.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ireland?
Message-Id: <HB6Uh.2344$N94.690@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>
Rui Maciel wrote:
> Robert wrote:
>
>> Hey.
>> How come there are no famous and widely-used open source products that
>> were founded and (more or less) developed from the United Kingdom or
>> Ireland? I find that odd.
>
> The open source development model is largely based on the free exchange of
> information through the internet. As a result, there is absolutely no need
> for any open source project to be attached to a single country. As an
> example, the development of the Linux kernel itself was started in Finland
> but contributions arrived from every corner of the globe and now Linus
> Thorvald himself lives and works in the US of A.
>
> But to give a more precise answer to your question, wxWidgets (formerly
> known as wxWindows) is a open source project which was started out at the
> University of Edinburgh.
>
>
> Rui Maciel
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:43:09 GMT
From: Jim Ford <jaford@watford53.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Why No Famous Open Source Projects From Britain/Ireland?
Message-Id: <hE6Uh.2345$N94.1375@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>
Rui Maciel wrote:
> Robert wrote:
>
>> Hey.
>> How come there are no famous and widely-used open source products that
>> were founded and (more or less) developed from the United Kingdom or
>> Ireland? I find that odd.
Erm, how about Alan Cox:
'Alan Cox is one of the most influential IT innovators in the world. A
graduate of the University of Wales...'
http://www.itwales.com/999721.htm
Jim Ford
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Date: 14 Apr 2007 03:20:55 -0700
From: "Brian McCauley" <nobull67@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: XML::Parse dies hard
Message-Id: <1176546055.273882.80490@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
On 14 Apr, 10:04, maxwe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Can anybody tell me why the following does not work as I expect it?
Because your expectation of the behaviour of XML::Parser::parse does
not match the documented behaviour.
Consult the description of the parse method in the XML::Parser
documentation and adjust your expectation accordingly. Pay particular
note to the sentence "A die call is thrown if a parse error occurs.".
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