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Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 9857 Volume: 10
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Tue Oct 17 09:05:42 2006
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Tue, 17 Oct 2006 Volume: 10 Number: 9857
Today's topics:
Re: anyone try cgi builder ? is it legit? <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: anyone try cgi builder ? is it legit? (reading news)
Hanging at several places when multiple-commanding Net: <mabounajm@gmail.com>
Re: LWP and Unicode <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Re: LWP and Unicode <bart@nijlen.com>
Need a Perl Scripting senatorcool2002@gmail.com
Re: Need a Perl Scripting <mritty@gmail.com>
Re: Need a Perl Scripting senatorcool2002@gmail.com
Re: Need a Perl Scripting <mritty@gmail.com>
Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: tadmc@augustmail.com
Re: Standard output problem <zen13097@zen.co.uk>
Re: what happened to pas? perl application server? <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 10:37:03 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: anyone try cgi builder ? is it legit?
Message-Id: <t759j2p2i1s7firroei6avou7difpnln32@4ax.com>
On 17 Oct 2006 00:00:12 -0700, "gavino" <bootiack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It seems like a dream come true but Im not sure.
It seems like there's no link and whatever it is it's not as widely
known as not to require *all* of us, if interested, to google for it,
when it may have been just a click for you. OTOH I bet most of us
*won't* be interested: not that we can't answer CGI questions that are
Perl related, but definitely this is a "Perl ne CGI" kinda community,
live with it! Seriously: are you trolling? As a real troll you seem to
be too "sporadic", but as a serious poster you seem too... trolling!
What is your real intent?
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:20:24 GMT
From: "Mumia W. (reading news)" <paduille.4060.mumia.w@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: anyone try cgi builder ? is it legit?
Message-Id: <sf1Zg.14782$UG4.8682@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
On 10/17/2006 02:00 AM, gavino wrote:
> It seems like a dream come true but Im not sure.
>
Look it up at http://cpanratings.perl.org/
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paduille.4060.mumia.w@earthlink.net
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 02:55:53 -0700
From: "enigma" <mabounajm@gmail.com>
Subject: Hanging at several places when multiple-commanding Net::SSH::W32Perl
Message-Id: <1161078953.417997.202510@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Hi all,
I installed W32Perl lately and had to do some modifications in order to
make it run on windows (like define the $ENV and create a .ssh folder.
First problem i faced is that the program is hanging after it executes
the command. I know that it has already executed the command from:
mazendesktop: Sending command: ls
mazendesktop: Requesting service exec on channel 1.
If i redirect the output ls > mazen.txt everything works fine and the
program exits normally.
Now the weird problem that i'm currently facing is when i send multiple
commands to be executed on the remote machine. The program hangs at
different places each time I run it.. i couldn't find any pattern to
this. and the commands im using are very simple (ls, mkdir, whoami)
Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you need the small scripts
i'll post it
Thank you,
Mazen
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:31:19 +0100
From: Ian Wilson <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LWP and Unicode
Message-Id: <f9Sdnd7sOtdjLanYnZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d@bt.com>
Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> So is there a consensus
How could you tell?
> that MIME with charset=utf8 and a suitable
> 8-bit-safe content-transfer-encoding should be acceptable in
> comp.lang.perl.misc?
It gets my vote. Now you just have to find out what the other 37,292
readers of this newsgroup think :-)
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 04:19:05 -0700
From: "Bart Van der Donck" <bart@nijlen.com>
Subject: Re: LWP and Unicode
Message-Id: <1161083945.897321.66800@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Ian Wilson wrote:
> Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> > So is there a consensus
>
> How could you tell?
>
> > that MIME with charset=utf8 and a suitable
> > 8-bit-safe content-transfer-encoding should be acceptable in
> > comp.lang.perl.misc?
>
> It gets my vote. Now you just have to find out what the other 37,292
> readers of this newsgroup think :-)
My vote too. I think it's open-minded towards the future. 37291 to go.
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Bart
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 05:04:55 -0700
From: senatorcool2002@gmail.com
Subject: Need a Perl Scripting
Message-Id: <1161086695.344279.280090@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
HI,.
I need a Perl Scripting just which check for any URL's and give me a
positive or negative response if the URL is available or not
repectively.
I found many codes but they are all simply modules to be polished to
work out completely.
Any of u please send me a full script with posible examples,such that i
have nothing edit apart from ur own texts.
Thank u in advance.
Arun
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 05:07:39 -0700
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need a Perl Scripting
Message-Id: <1161086859.130119.8100@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
senatorcool2...@gmail.com wrote:
> I need a Perl Scripting just which check for any URL's and give me a
> positive or negative response if the URL is available or not
> repectively.
> I found many codes but they are all simply modules to be polished to
> work out completely.
> Any of u please send me a full script with posible examples,such that i
> have nothing edit apart from ur own texts.
You're in the wrong place. This group helps people write and debug
their own code, it does not provide complete scripts written to spec.
Try http://jobs.perl.org
Paul Lalli
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 05:15:54 -0700
From: senatorcool2002@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Need a Perl Scripting
Message-Id: <1161087354.407103.325770@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Hi Paul,
First of all i would like to thank u for the reply.
I have been trying for the code for the past two days,but the deadline
for my project is already gone,atleast not later than 2 days i have to
submit it.
Thats y i m in need of the script,i m also new to perl environment.
They gave me basic training in Perl and put me into a project.
This is my situtaion,hope u can understand mine.
Regards,
Arun
Paul Lalli wrote:
> senatorcool2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I need a Perl Scripting just which check for any URL's and give me a
> > positive or negative response if the URL is available or not
> > repectively.
> > I found many codes but they are all simply modules to be polished to
> > work out completely.
> > Any of u please send me a full script with posible examples,such that i
> > have nothing edit apart from ur own texts.
>
> You're in the wrong place. This group helps people write and debug
> their own code, it does not provide complete scripts written to spec.
> Try http://jobs.perl.org
>
> Paul Lalli
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 05:34:40 -0700
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need a Perl Scripting
Message-Id: <1161088480.818938.22220@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
senatorcool2002@gmail.com wrote:
> First of all i would like to thank u for the reply.
You're welcome, but you pretty clearly did not read it correctly.
> I have been trying for the code for the past two days,but the deadline
> for my project is already gone,atleast not later than 2 days i have to
> submit it.
> Thats y i m in need of the script,i m also new to perl environment.
> They gave me basic training in Perl and put me into a project.
> This is my situtaion,hope u can understand mine.
I understand perfectly. You were unable to complete your assigned task
in the time alotted, and now you're in trouble, and you need a script
written for you because you can't do it yourself.
Now what I'm telling you is that that's unfortunate for you, but this
is the wrong group from which to seek assistance. You want to find
someone to write the script for you. That's not what this group does.
Again, you should try http://jobs.perl.org
Paul Lalli
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:22:35 GMT
From: tadmc@augustmail.com
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.7 $)
Message-Id: <453484ba$0$47258$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net>
Outline
Before posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Must
- Check the Perl Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- Check the other standard Perl docs (*.pod)
Really Really Should
- Lurk for a while before posting
- Search a Usenet archive
If You Like
- Check Other Resources
Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Is there a better place to ask your question?
- Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
- Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
- Use an effective followup style
- Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
- Ask perl to help you
- Do not re-type Perl code
- Provide enough information
- Do not provide too much information
- Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
Social faux pas to avoid
- Asking a Frequently Asked Question
- Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
- Asking for emailed answers
- Beware of saying "doesn't work"
- Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
Be extra cautious when you get upset
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post.
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This is recommended in all Usenet newsgroups. Here in clpmisc, most
flaming sub-threads are not about any feature of Perl at all! They
are most often for what was seen as a breach of netiquette. If you
have lurked for a bit, then you will know what is expected and won't
make such posts in the first place.
But if you get upset, wait a while before writing your followup. I
recommend waiting at least 30 minutes.
Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
After you have written your followup, wait *another* 30 minutes
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once it has been said.
AUTHOR
Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com> and many others on the
comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 11:03:00 GMT
From: Dave Weaver <zen13097@zen.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Standard output problem
Message-Id: <4534b864$0$11083$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>
wesphillips@gmail.com <wesphillips@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Any ideas?Start out by making your command line the exact same as your #!. What do
> > you get when you try:
> >
> > /usr/bin/perl -w ./test.pl
> >
>
>
> That worked fine. The only time I had problems was when I tried to run
> it directly. I further narrowed it down to a specific directory. If the
> file was placed in the directory(or created there) it wouldn't work. If
> the exact same script was created in a different directory, it ran
> fine.
Perhaps you have "." in your path (a very bad idea if you do) and an
executable called "perl" in that directory?
Or some sort of alias configured?
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 10:41:16 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: what happened to pas? perl application server?
Message-Id: <3j59j2547cal1glig04ue1t60te90cbe4d@4ax.com>
On 16 Oct 2006 23:38:32 -0700, "gavino" <bootiack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=19226
Doesn't seem like it's very up to date. But maybe it reached state of
perfection, who knows? ;-)
>This seemed liek a cool idea, use and invisible frame!
C<use> has been in Perl for such a long time! And an invisible frame
is not a Perl thing at all. So what?
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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