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Perl-Users Digest           Tue, 1 Aug 2006     Volume: 10 Number: 9543

Today's topics:
        AlphaX + Perl <petercolapietro@gmail.com>
    Re: AlphaX + Perl usenet@DavidFilmer.com
    Re: continous update (print) <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
    Re: continous update (print) <dmercer@mn.rr.com>
        foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in sub <register_allocation@lycos.com>
    Re: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in s <simon@unisolve.com.au>
    Re: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in s <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
    Re: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in s usenet@DavidFilmer.com
    Re: perl editor <vfoley@gmail.com>
    Re: perl editor <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com>
        Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision:  tadmc@augustmail.com
    Re: Printing Hash Marks During File Download <benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk>
    Re: Printing Hash Marks During File Download usenet@DavidFilmer.com
        Problem with DateTime <madan.narra@gmail.com>
    Re: Problem with DateTime <sisyphus1@nomail.afraid.org>
    Re: Sharing a socket between instances xhoster@gmail.com
    Re: Strange characters using Term::Readline on Win32 <w.n.humann@agilent.com>
    Re: Strange characters using Term::Readline on Win32 <w.n.humann@agilent.com>
    Re: Using an input/csv file to rename files <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com>
        Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)

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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:11:07 GMT
From: Peter Colapietro <petercolapietro@gmail.com>
Subject: AlphaX + Perl
Message-Id: <C0F4145A.1CC%petercolapietro@gmail.com>

Hi I am running Mac OS X Version 10.4.7 on my MacBook Pro.  I downloaded
Perl 5.8.8 and put it in /library/perl.  I am using AlphaX as my texteditor
when I code for Perl.  I also download Tcl/Tk Aqua Batteries as instructed.
I am going through O"reilly's Learning Perl.  I created my first code:

#!/usr/bin/perl
print "Hello, world!\n";

I think I set everything up right in Config - Perl Mode Prefs.  But when I
go to the Camal tab - tell perl - open this file
the Camal turns blue all around it and it just stays that way.  When I hit
esc it says AESend failer: OSErr - 1711.  If I try the camal tab - Run a
file and choose the Hello, world! file it says can't read "wname": no such
variable.  I looked all through the wiki at
http://alphatcl.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wikit/24.html and the AlphaX website
but I can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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Date: 1 Aug 2006 00:29:36 -0700
From: usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Subject: Re: AlphaX + Perl
Message-Id: <1154417376.268278.190160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Peter Colapietro wrote:
> [a multiposted question]

This question was multiposted to the Perl.Beginners newsgroup (Note to
JWK et al: I mean the usenet mirror of the perl.org mailing list, which
is available on every NNTP server that I know of, including,
unfortunately, those indexed by Google Groups).

See: http://tinyurl.com/kuk52

Please burn this thread (to discourage usenet rudeness)

-- 
David Filmer (http://DavidFilmer.com)



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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:22:25 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: continous update (print)
Message-Id: <RNzzg.3810$cj7.3562@trnddc01>

Lars Madsen wrote:
> if one e.g . wants to write a countdown one can do this as
>
> $|=1;
> ...
> # some loop
> printf "% 4d\r", $count;
>
> where \r then makes sure that we reprint on them same line over and
> over again.
> But what if you want to do this with several lines at once?
>
> I have a data structure with, say, 10 special entries that changes
> every second, I would like to have a continous overview if these
> numbers in the same fashion as above.
>
> How would one do that?

Use the Curses module to position the cursor before each output block.

jue 




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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:44:04 GMT
From: "Dan Mercer" <dmercer@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: continous update (print)
Message-Id: <86Azg.16751$PN4.5153@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>


"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:RNzzg.3810$cj7.3562@trnddc01...
: Lars Madsen wrote:
: > if one e.g . wants to write a countdown one can do this as
: >
: > $|=1;
: > ...
: > # some loop
: > printf "% 4d\r", $count;
: >
: > where \r then makes sure that we reprint on them same line over and
: > over again.
: > But what if you want to do this with several lines at once?
: >
: > I have a data structure with, say, 10 special entries that changes
: > every second, I would like to have a continous overview if these
: > numbers in the same fashion as above.
: >
: > How would one do that?
:
: Use the Curses module to position the cursor before each output block.
:
: jue
:
:
That's probably overkill.  Just use clear:

    my $clear = `clear`;
    chomp $clear;

    print STDERR "${clear}whatever\nwhatever\n";

Dan Mercer




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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:12:41 GMT
From: "register_allocation" <register_allocation@lycos.com>
Subject: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in sub
Message-Id: <thCzg.8262$157.5047@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

Consider the following script:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;

my $v = '???';
foreach $v ('foo') {
    print "in loop, \$v=$v\n";
    process();
}
sub process { print "in process, \$v=$v\n" }

__END__
This prints
in loop, $v=foo
in process, $v=???

I get the same result on Win32/ActiveState v5.8.8 and Redhat v5.8.0.
Interestingly, if I change '$v' from a 'my' to an 'our' variable, it
prints
in loop, $v=foo
in process, $v=foo

Is this a known thing?  Bug?  Feature?

ra


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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:21:47 +1000
From: Simon Taylor <simon@unisolve.com.au>
Subject: Re: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in sub
Message-Id: <eamvja$1hbt$1@otis.netspace.net.au>

Hello,

> This prints
> in loop, $v=foo
> in process, $v=???
> 
> I get the same result on Win32/ActiveState v5.8.8 and Redhat v5.8.0.
> Interestingly, if I change '$v' from a 'my' to an 'our' variable, it
> prints
> in loop, $v=foo
> in process, $v=foo
> 
> Is this a known thing?  Bug?  Feature?


Seet the commentary in perldoc perlsyn under " Foreach Loops"


   The "foreach" loop iterates over a normal list value and
   sets the variable VAR to be each element of the list in
   turn.  If the variable is preceded with the keyword "my",
   then it is lexically scoped, and is therefore visible only
   within the loop.  Otherwise, the variable is implicitly
   local to the loop and regains its former value upon exit­
   ing the loop.


For more on how foreach can localize the control variable see:

     http://www.perlmeme.org/howtos/syntax/foreach.html

Hope this helps.


Regards,

Simon Taylor

-- 
www.perlmeme.org


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Date: 1 Aug 2006 10:09:46 +0200
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in sub
Message-Id: <bt2uc2pm1l5245dprnnq5u2uhfmung5bu9@4ax.com>

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:12:41 GMT, "register_allocation"
<register_allocation@lycos.com> wrote:

>my $v = '???';
>foreach $v ('foo') {
>    print "in loop, \$v=$v\n";
>    process();
>}
>sub process { print "in process, \$v=$v\n" }
>
>__END__
>This prints
>in loop, $v=foo
>in process, $v=???
[snip]
>Is this a known thing?  Bug?  Feature?
                               ^^^^^^^
                               ^^^^^^^

process() is a closure around the variable $v lexically declared in
the sorrounding scope.


Michele

-- 
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
 .'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,


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Date: 1 Aug 2006 02:01:14 -0700
From: usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Subject: Re: foreach aliasing, my variables, and visibility in sub
Message-Id: <1154422874.458557.150560@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

register_allocation wrote:
> Is this a known thing?  Bug?  Feature?

Feature.  You may appreciate a read-through of the O'Reilly book
"Advanced Perl Programming" (either edition, but I tend to favor the
Second Edition by Simon Cozens).  The chapter on closures will answer
ALL your questions (and then some, and then some more).

-- 
David Filmer (http://DavidFilmer.com)



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Date: 31 Jul 2006 16:08:11 -0700
From: "vfoley@gmail.com" <vfoley@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: perl editor
Message-Id: <1154387291.446519.327580@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


syracuse wrote:
> Hi
> anyone knows what is a good free editor to use for perl ?
> Thanks
> Syracuse

Emacs with cperl-mode work very well here.



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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:50:21 +0200
From: Josef Moellers <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Subject: Re: perl editor
Message-Id: <eamtml$7ob$2@nntp.fujitsu-siemens.com>

Abigail wrote:
> Josef Moellers (josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com) wrote on MMMMDCCXVI=
I
> September MCMXCIII in <URL:news:eal0kq$f1r$1@nntp.fujitsu-siemens.com>:=

> @@  syracuse wrote:
> @@ > Hi
> @@ > anyone knows what is a good free editor to use for perl ?
> @@ > Thanks
> @@ > Syracuse=20
> @@ =20
> @@  vi?
>=20
>=20
> vi isn't free. Although many good vi clones are.

Hmm, didn't know that. I usually call "vim" as "vi".

--=20
Josef M=F6llers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
	If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize
						-- T.  Pratchett



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Date: 01 Aug 2006 07:22:28 GMT
From: tadmc@augustmail.com
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.6 $)
Message-Id: <44cf0134$0$57729$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net>

Outline
   Before posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
      Must
       - Check the Perl Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
       - Check the other standard Perl docs (*.pod)
      Really Really Should
       - Lurk for a while before posting
       - Search a Usenet archive
      If You Like
       - Check Other Resources
   Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
      Is there a better place to ask your question?
       - Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
      How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
       - Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
       - Use an effective followup style
       - Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
       - Ask perl to help you
       - Do not re-type Perl code
       - Provide enough information
       - Do not provide too much information
       - Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
      Social faux pas to avoid
       - Asking a Frequently Asked Question
       - Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
       - Asking for emailed answers
       - Beware of saying "doesn't work"
       - Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
      Be extra cautious when you get upset
       - Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
       - Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
-----------------------------------------------------------------

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    Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
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AUTHOR
    Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com> and many others on the
    comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup.



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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:28:22 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Printing Hash Marks During File Download
Message-Id: <6qj2q3-lkl.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>


Quoth HaroldWho <hlarons@yahoo.com>:
> I am using the Net::POP3 module to retrieve mail from a dialup POP3 server.
> The method 'get->(<msg number>)' returns a reference to an array which
> contains the lines of message text read from the server. So far, so good.
> 
> Using dialup, large messages take some time to download, during which the
> program gives no indication that the d/l is going OK.
> 
> I'd like to print hash marks during the d/l, much like an ftp d/l does, but
> I'm stumped for a way to do it, at using some kind of loop.
> 
> Ideas?

Use ->getfh, read the data yourself and print whatever progress stuff
you like.

Ben

-- 
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Buffy: [...] and, 'Native American'. G: Sorry? B: We don't say 'Indian'.
G: Oh, right, yes; always behind on the terms... yes, still trying not to refer
to you lot as 'bloody colonials'.      [Buffy, 'Pangs'] benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk


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Date: 31 Jul 2006 18:21:16 -0700
From: usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Subject: Re: Printing Hash Marks During File Download
Message-Id: <1154395276.878453.63250@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

HaroldWho wrote:
> I'd like to print hash marks during the d/l, much like an ftp d/l does, but
> I'm stumped for a way to do it, at using some kind of loop.

The trick is, the program must process the file a bit at a time
(instead of "slurping" it in one operation) so that it can periodically
update the user that something is happening.

I think you can do what you want if you adapt Ben's previous suggestion
(to use ->getfh) and slurp a bit at a time while updating a ticker.
Actually, you may prefer a spinner, and CPAN has a simple module,
Acme::Spinner, to help you out.

I've combined some code here from the CGI and Acme::Spinner perldocs to
give you an idea of what I'm talking about. I haven't tested this (and,
remember, the file I/O stuff is from CGI.pm), but you ought to be able
to do something rather like this.

   use Acme::Spinner;
   my $spinner = Acme::Spinner->new();

   # Copy a binary file to somewhere safe
   open (OUTFILE,">>/usr/local/web/users/feedback");
   while ($bytesread=read($filename,$buffer,1024)) {
      print STDERR $spinner->next(), "\r";
      print OUTFILE $buffer;
   }

I've used a technique like this to "dummy up" a progress indicator for
CGI file uploads. Modify the size of each chunk (ie, 1024) to vary the
speed of the spinner as appropriate for your typical connection speed.

-- 
David Filmer (http://DavidFilmer.com)



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Date: 31 Jul 2006 23:20:28 -0700
From: "madan" <madan.narra@gmail.com>
Subject: Problem with DateTime
Message-Id: <1154413228.000556.70140@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

hi all,
i am installing the DateTime.pm on windows using nmake....
when i tried to install it i am getting an error saying
" Cant locate lodable object for module DateTime in @INC (@INC
contains: C:/perl/lib c:/perl/site/lib .) at
C:/perl/site/lib/DateTime.pm line 47"

can anyone please tell me how to use this module...

thanks in advance
madan



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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:51:19 +1000
From: "Sisyphus" <sisyphus1@nomail.afraid.org>
Subject: Re: Problem with DateTime
Message-Id: <44cf250a$0$22358$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>


"madan" <madan.narra@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154413228.000556.70140@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> hi all,
> i am installing the DateTime.pm on windows using nmake....
> when i tried to install it i am getting an error saying
> " Cant locate lodable object for module DateTime in @INC (@INC
> contains: C:/perl/lib c:/perl/site/lib .) at
> C:/perl/site/lib/DateTime.pm line 47"
>

I gather this is the error you get when you attempt to use the module.
It happens because, although DateTime.pm can be found, the compiled part of
the module (the dll - which is the "loadable object") cannot be found. This,
in turn, indicates that the build/install procedure did not work or was
performed incorrectly.

Assuming that the 'perl Makefile.PL' step proceeded without error, what was
the output of the 'nmake' , 'nmake test' and 'nmake install' steps.

Cheers,
Rob




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Date: 31 Jul 2006 22:00:13 GMT
From: xhoster@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Sharing a socket between instances
Message-Id: <20060731180753.230$WL@newsreader.com>

"Derek Basch" <dbasch@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >     #member_id state could be changed here by another Member instance
> > >     #calling the socket at the same time??????????
> > >
> > >     # print to the GPS socket
> > >     print $gps_socket $command, "\r\n";
> > >
> > >     while (<$gps_socket>) {
> > >       chop;
> > >       last if /^###/;
> > >       push (@response, $_);
> > >     }
> > >     throw Error::Simple("@response") if (grep(/Error/i, @response));
> >
> > In the absence of threads or fork (and the infinite recursion
> > previously mentioned), no _doCommand method serving a different Member
> > instance can seize control of the program during this code, so there
> > should be no problem with the state being changed.
>
> Thanks for the information. Is this idiom documented anywhere?

I don't think so, as I don't think there is anything to document!

> I
> couldn't seem to find anything on the subject of order of execution and
> locking for class variables. How does Perl know that the class variable
> filehandle (file_handle) which is being called by an instance (foo) is
> locked because a different instance (foo2) is already using that same
> filehandle (file_handle)?

It doesn't know that.  In a single threaded program, there is only one
thread of execution.  There is no need to lock the socket handle (or
a regular variable protecting the socket handle), because there is no one
to lock it against.  You have the world all to yourself, you are the only
person driving on the roads.  You don't have to install traffic lights,
because there is no one out there to hit.  (You still need to be careful
not to run off the road and drive into a tree, or have a rock slide land on
your car, but that is a different matter.)

%SIG handlers should not read or write to the socket handle.  But why would
they want to do that?  _doCommand needs to not make recursive calls into
itself (either directly or indirectly) during the vulnerable part (between
the first print of the ID through the last read of the response to the
command).  But why would it?


Xho

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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:56:05 +0200
From: Wolfram Humann <w.n.humann@agilent.com>
Subject: Re: Strange characters using Term::Readline on Win32
Message-Id: <1154422130.760253@newsreg.cos.agilent.com>

Thomas Kratz wrote:
> Do you have a TERM environment variable? Try doing a
> 
>  set TERM=
> 
> before running the script.

Yes, that's it. Some stupid program thought it should modify TERM *permanently*. Made sure it won't 
do so anymore :-)

Thanks!


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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:00:02 +0200
From: Wolfram Humann <w.n.humann@agilent.com>
Subject: Re: Strange characters using Term::Readline on Win32
Message-Id: <1154422368.181907@newsreg.cos.agilent.com>

Sisyphus wrote:
> Yes, they look like ANSI escape sequences to me.
> 
> I, too, cannot reproduce the behaviour (on Windows 2000) with any of the
> perls/shells that I have. Which shell are you running in  - the cmd.exe
> shell, or the command.com shell, or some other shell ?
> Is there something you've installed/enabled that could be doing this ?

No difference between cmd.exe and command.com. (Actually, TERM was the problem -- see my other 
reply). Thanks for your reply!


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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:49:28 +0200
From: Josef Moellers <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Subject: Re: Using an input/csv file to rename files
Message-Id: <eamtkv$7ob$1@nntp.fujitsu-siemens.com>

Terry wrote:

> My appologies for the 5 days inbetween posts, but I went on vacation
> and unplugged for a few days.

As in "I'll post this question now, then go on a vacation. Let them sort =

this out, discuss the pro's and con's and when I'm back, I can pick up a =

solution, without having participated in the discussion, shown what I=20
tried and where it failed, rectified false assumptions"?

26 to 31 ist exactly 5 days.

--=20
Josef M=F6llers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
	If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize
						-- T.  Pratchett



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