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Today's topics:
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard <mritty@gmail.com>
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard ilikesluts@gmail.com
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard <mritty@gmail.com>
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard xhoster@gmail.com
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard ilikesluts@gmail.com
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: finding perl info on google can be hard <mritty@gmail.com>
foreach capture regex with /g andreas a@t mrs d.t ch
Re: foreach capture regex with /g <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: foreach capture regex with /g <mritty@gmail.com>
Re: foreach capture regex with /g <benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk>
Re: foreach capture regex with /g <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: foreach capture regex with /g <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Re: glob and Traverse Directory <xicheng@gmail.com>
Re: glob and Traverse Directory <weberw@adelphia.net>
Hash <weberw@adelphia.net>
Re: how to find the path of the file <Amaninder.Saini@gmail.com>
Interfacing with Matlab using Win32::OLE <fleming.scott@gmail.com>
Re: Interfacing with Matlab using Win32::OLE <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 11:11:52 -0700
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <1152900712.444194.306310@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
ilikesluts@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Maybe you should just
> spell it out for me. I think being perfectly clear and straight
> forward is the most effective way to communicate, don't you?
The points everyone's been making are:
1) Attempting to use Google to find information about Perl is a foolish
pursuit. The documentation that comes with Perl is by far a better
resource. Information found from Google searches is bound to be
incomplete and/or buggy.
2) This newsgroup is about the Perl programming language. What Google
can or cannot do properly is off topic. The fact that one of the
things it cannot do is find information about Perl is not a Perl issue.
It is a Google issue. This is the same Google issue that makes it
similarly difficult to find information about C or C++ or PHP. These
are not seperate C, C++, or PHP issues. They are Google issues.
Therefore, they are off-topic for this group.
Paul Lalli
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 11:48:08 -0700
From: ilikesluts@gmail.com
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <1152902888.301862.190770@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Hi Paul
1) The fact that you think using google to find information about Perl
is interesting. Please alow me to point out that I am using google to
read this newsgroup. I also use this to search perl newsgroups. If
the perl docs were all anyone needed to learn about perl these
newsgroups wouldn't enjoy the popularity they do. Don't you agree?
2) I don't think that the relationship between google and perl is
off-topic. I am not posting about google alone. I am posting about
effectivness of a tool for finding information on the perl programming
language. If my post is off topic then surely any post about the
perldocs is also off topic. If I am wrong please quote the appropriate
passage in the FAQ. I want to be a good forum member and would
appreciate the oppertunity to improve my netiquette.
Paul Lalli wrote:
> The points everyone's been making are:
>
> 1) Attempting to use Google to find information about Perl is a foolish
> pursuit. The documentation that comes with Perl is by far a better
> resource. Information found from Google searches is bound to be
> incomplete and/or buggy.
> 2) This newsgroup is about the Perl programming language. What Google
> can or cannot do properly is off topic. The fact that one of the
> things it cannot do is find information about Perl is not a Perl issue.
> It is a Google issue. This is the same Google issue that makes it
> similarly difficult to find information about C or C++ or PHP. These
> are not seperate C, C++, or PHP issues. They are Google issues.
> Therefore, they are off-topic for this group.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:08:32 -0700
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <1152904112.630559.165630@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
ilikesl...@gmail.com wrote:
> 1) The fact that you think using google to find information about Perl
> is interesting. Please alow me to point out that I am using google to
> read this newsgroup.
As am I. I am also using it to read various other newsgroups. Do you
suggest that discussing Google is appropriate for newsgroups about
M*A*S*H or Disney World or banking corporations? Of course not. Those
newsgroups are about their respective topics. The fact that Google
provides a tool to read those newsgroups does not make Google on-topic
for those newsgroups, any more than it makes Outlook or Thunderbird
on-topic for those newsgroups.
> I also use this to search perl newsgroups. If
> the perl docs were all anyone needed to learn about perl these
> newsgroups wouldn't enjoy the popularity they do. Don't you agree?
Not even remotely. About 95% of the questions here could be avoided if
the poster had simply read the documentation before posting. They do
not. And therefore, they post here instead. The Perl Documentation is
the *vast majority* of what anyone *needs*. They're just not the
majority of what those people actually use.
> 2) I don't think that the relationship between google and perl is
> off-topic.
That's okay, you're allowed to be wrong. It's a free internet,
afterall. ;-)
> I am not posting about google alone. I am posting about
> effectivness of a tool for finding information on the perl programming
> language.
The root cause of that issue has NOTHING TO DO WITH PERL. And
everything to do with Google. Your post is not about a problem with
Perl, it is not about a program written with Perl. It is not about the
development of Perl. That Google decides to ignore most punctuation in
its searches has nothing to do with programming or developing the Perl
language.
> If my post is off topic then surely any post about the
> perldocs is also off topic.
Not at all. The perldocs are a standard part of the Perl distribution.
The perldocs *are* Perl. If there's a problem with the documentation,
that problem is addressed the same way a problem with the language
itself is addressed (the perlbug utility and the Perl Porters group of
developers). Google is a 100% third party entity.
> If I am wrong please quote the appropriate passage in the FAQ.
That conversations about the Perldocs are on-topic?
Look in your Perl source directory. You'll (eventually) find the
documentation. It *comes with* Perl. It *is* Perl.
That postings that aren't about the Perl language are offtopic?
http://www.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html#is_there_a_better_place_to_ask_your_question
> I want to be a good forum member and would
> appreciate the oppertunity to improve my netiquette.
You would do well, then, to read the Posting Guidelines I've just
pointed you to. For starters, you can fix your quoting style so that
it makese sense. Trim the post you're replying to down to the relevant
bits, and then start your reply either intersperced within the message,
or at the bottom of the message. Do not post "TOFU" (text over,
fullquote under).
Paul Lalli
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 19:07:53 GMT
From: xhoster@gmail.com
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <20060714151212.545$dv@newsreader.com>
"Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com> wrote:
> ilikesl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 1) The fact that you think using google to find information about Perl
> > is interesting. Please alow me to point out that I am using google to
> > read this newsgroup.
>
> As am I. I am also using it to read various other newsgroups. Do you
> suggest that discussing Google is appropriate for newsgroups about
> M*A*S*H or Disney World or banking corporations?
If you are discussing effective strategies for the use of google
specifically to find information on M*A*S*H or Disney World or banking
corporations, then sure.
Xho
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:16:14 -0700
From: ilikesluts@gmail.com
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <1152904574.923103.207890@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Hi Paul,
I think you are just here to argue with people. That's not what I'm
here for. I am here to discuss Perl and things related to perl like
how to find information about perl, be it on the net, using perldocs,
search engines, books, mailing lists or what have you. I'm also
interested in the effectiveness of such mediums. If you don't have
much to do on a friday afternoon but argue with people you'll have to
look somewhere else for entertainment, I don't feed part time trolls.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:34:57 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <Xns98009E9CB4A52asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
"Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1152900712.444194.306310@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> ilikesluts@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Maybe you should
>> just spell it out for me. I think being perfectly clear and straight
>> forward is the most effective way to communicate, don't you?
>
> The points everyone's been making are:
>
> 1) Attempting to use Google to find information about Perl is a
> foolish pursuit. The documentation that comes with Perl is by far a
> better resource. Information found from Google searches is bound to
> be incomplete and/or buggy.
Google is sometimes useful when searching for modules by keyword. You
need to restrict the domain to get good returns. I have the following
bookmarked as a "Quick Search" in Firefox with keyword gcpan
http://www.google.com/search?num=50q=%s+site%3Asearch.cpan.org
So that I can type
gcpan compound interest
in the location field to search CPAN via Google. I don't use this very
often, but more as a last resort if I haven't been able to locate
something.
> It is a Google issue. This is the same Google issue that makes it
> similarly difficult to find information about C or C++ or PHP. These
> are not seperate C, C++, or PHP issues. They are Google issues.
> Therefore, they are off-topic for this group.
Agreed (apologies for my off-topic tip). Anyway, I had already killfiled
the OP, and know I am out of this thread.
Sinan
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:42:05 -0700
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: finding perl info on google can be hard
Message-Id: <1152906125.740069.16180@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
ilikesluts@gmail.com wrote:
> I think you are just here to argue with people.
Please search for my name in the archives to this group. Heck, you can
even use Google to do that! You'll see that yes, I do argue with many
people who refuse to let themselves be helped, as you are doing. But I
have just as many postings attempting to help those who want to be
helped.
> That's not what I'm
> here for. I am here to discuss Perl and things related to perl like
> how to find information about perl, be it on the net, using perldocs,
> search engines, books, mailing lists or what have you. I'm also
> interested in the effectiveness of such mediums. If you don't have
> much to do on a friday afternoon but argue with people you'll have to
> look somewhere else for entertainment, I don't feed part time trolls.
You call me a troll, yet I've done nothing but answer your questions
exactly as you asked them. You asked someone to clarify what points
were trying to be made. I clarified them. You asked what is
considered off-topic for this group and why. I tried to inform you.
You asked why the perl documentation is not similarly off-topic. I told
you. You asked how you can be a productive and effective member of
this community. I pointed you to the Posting Guidelines and told you
that your follow-up style needs to be fixed. You ignored both.
Count to ten, review this thread, and consider exactly who is being
more troll-like.
In fact, I'll even go the ultimate non-troll path: You can have the
last word. Reply if you wish. I'm done talking to you.
*PLONK*
Paul Lalli
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 19:58:30 GMT
From: andreas a@t mrs d.t ch
Subject: foreach capture regex with /g
Message-Id: <44b7f766$0$12613$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch>
Hi
Some problem I read some time ago in this group fell on me. I don't
remember when and in what context so I'm a bit lost.
The problem:
perl -e 'foreach ("abc" =~ m/(.)/gc) {print "$1"}'
prints 'ccc' and not what I (and maybe other stupid users) would expect
'abc'.
The solution:
Where to search a solution for this problem (I read already perlop and
perlre but no success so far) or, if somebody knows it, tell me what's
wrong. Google might be my friend if something would show up on "perl
regex foreach /g"...
Thanks,
Andreas
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:05:33 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: foreach capture regex with /g
Message-Id: <Xns9800A3CC8B604asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
andreas a@t mrs d.t ch wrote in
news:44b7f766$0$12613$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch:
> Some problem I read some time ago in this group fell on me. I don't
> remember when and in what context so I'm a bit lost.
>
>
> The problem:
>
> perl -e 'foreach ("abc" =~ m/(.)/gc) {print "$1"}'
>
> prints 'ccc' and not what I (and maybe other stupid users) would
> expect 'abc'.
"abc" =~ m/(.)/gc
in list context returns all the matches. However, you are not printing
elements of that list, only $1.
So,
C:\Home\asu1> perl -e "for ('abc' =~ m/(.)/gc) {print $_}"
abc
On the other hand, a while loop is better here: It allows you iterate
through matches without a list of all matches being constructed. That
can become a significant overhead if the number of matches is large
(just like the difference between
for ( <$file> ) { ... }
versus
while ( <$file> ) { ... }
So:
C:\Home\asu1> perl -e "for (@a = ('abc' =~ m/(.)/gc)) {print $_}"
abc
Sinan
PS: Quotation marks changed for cmd.exe shell.
PPS: Answers to some questions are best found by thinking about the
context rather than searching.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 13:09:07 -0700
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: foreach capture regex with /g
Message-Id: <1152907746.932523.250480@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
andreas a@t mrs d.t ch wrote:
> The problem:
>
> perl -e 'foreach ("abc" =~ m/(.)/gc) {print "$1"}'
>
> prints 'ccc' and not what I (and maybe other stupid users) would expect
> 'abc'.
You have several Perl features conspiring against you.
1) the condition to a foreach() loop is evaluated in list context
2) a pattern match in list context with the /g modifier returns all
instances of the parenthesized sub-captures
3) a pattern match in list context with the /g modifier sets the $1,
$2, $3 (etc) variables only to the last matched instance.
Therefore, your foreach loop is iterating over the three matches -
('a', 'b', 'c'). But each time through the for loop, you're only
printing $1, which was set only once - to 'c'.
You have two (easy) ways to solve this:
A) print $_, not $1. $_ is aliased to each of the elements foreach is
iterating over.
B) Do the pattern match in a scalar context, not list context. In this
context, the /g modifier causes a progressive match. The first
iteration, one match will be found, and $1 will be set to 'a'. The
next iteration, one match will be found where the previous one left
off, and $1 will be set to 'b'. Etcetera. In order to do this pattern
match in a scalar context, change the foreach to a while.
So, either:
perl -le 'foreach ("abc" =~ m/(.)/gc) {print $_}'
or
perl -le 'while ("abc" =~ m/(.)/gc) {print $1}'
> Where to search a solution for this problem (I read already perlop and
> perlre but no success so far)
Then you either failed to read the right sections, or failed to
understand what the features you read about implied for your specific
situation. All the features I mentioned above are covered in the two
documentations you referred to (or in perldoc perlsyn for the specifics
of a foreach loop).
Hope this helps,
Paul Lalli
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:15:24 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: foreach capture regex with /g
Message-Id: <sjalo3-tvn.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>:
> On the other hand, a while loop is better here: It allows you iterate
> through matches without a list of all matches being constructed. That
> can become a significant overhead if the number of matches is large
> (just like the difference between
>
> for ( <$file> ) { ... }
>
> versus
>
> while ( <$file> ) { ... }
>
> So:
>
> C:\Home\asu1> perl -e "for (@a = ('abc' =~ m/(.)/gc)) {print $_}"
> abc
I presume you meant
perl -e "while ('abc' =~ m/(.)/gc) {print $1}"
here (still in cmd.exe syntax)?
Ben
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:38:31 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: foreach capture regex with /g
Message-Id: <Xns9800A9633A877asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Ben Morrow <benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in news:sjalo3-tvn.ln1
@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org:
>
> Quoth "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>:
...
>> C:\Home\asu1> perl -e "for (@a = ('abc' =~ m/(.)/gc)) {print $_}"
>> abc
>
> I presume you meant
>
> perl -e "while ('abc' =~ m/(.)/gc) {print $1}"
>
> here (still in cmd.exe syntax)?
Yes, thanks for the correction. I copied the wrong line from the command
prompt.
Sinan
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:01:22 +0200
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: Re: foreach capture regex with /g
Message-Id: <e99888.1f0.1@news.isolution.nl>
andreas a@t mrs d.t ch schreef:
> perl -e 'foreach ("abc" =~ m/(.)/gc) {print "$1"}'
>
> prints 'ccc'
Yes. What puzzles me is the c-modifier, why did you use it?
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:26:01 -0700
From: "Xicheng Jia" <xicheng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: glob and Traverse Directory
Message-Id: <1152905160.728759.114870@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
weberw@adelphia.net wrote:
> In Perl , When I am traversing through a directory of files and I want
> to create an html link when the file extension is .html how would you
> do this?
you can use find/perl on the Linux command line:
find -type f -name '*.html' -print0 | perl -F/ -aln0e 'print qq(<a
href="$_">$F[-1]</a>)'
Xicheng
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:31:04 -0700
From: "weberw@adelphia.net" <weberw@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: glob and Traverse Directory
Message-Id: <1152912664.337461.238840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Yes paul.
Paul Lalli wrote:
> weberw@adelphia.net wrote:
> > In Perl , When I am traversing through a directory of files and I want
> > to create an html link when the file extension is .html how would you
> > do this?
>
> I would write a Perl program to do it for me.
>
> How have you tried to do it?
>
> Paul Lalli
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:28:10 -0700
From: "weberw@adelphia.net" <weberw@adelphia.net>
Subject: Hash
Message-Id: <1152912490.373506.252910@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
How do I make the current letters appear in this version of hangman?
$current{word} = $cat
When the user enters c. I need it show c_ _.
sub processguess{
#hash of letters guessed
$current{letters} .= param('guess');
@guessed_letters = split('', $current{letters});
$current{letters} = join('', @guessed_letters);
return $current{'letters'};
my @word = split / /, $current{word};
$current{'revealed'} = join '',map {$current{letters}{$_} ? $_ : '_' }
$current{word} =~ /(.)/g;
return $current{'revealed'};
}
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:03:31 -0700
From: "Amaninder" <Amaninder.Saini@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: how to find the path of the file
Message-Id: <1152911011.673876.200820@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Thanks everyone.
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 13:30:46 -0700
From: "scottmf" <fleming.scott@gmail.com>
Subject: Interfacing with Matlab using Win32::OLE
Message-Id: <1152909045.974544.220860@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
I am not sure if this is more of an issue with Matlab or Perl, but here
is what I am having trouble doing:
I want a user to be able to start Matlab (on a WinXP machine) and run a
matlab program like perl_link.m below that runs a perl script. The
perl script then parses a large data file and stores the results in
several arrays in matlab using OLE objects. The rest of the matlab
program then processes those arrays. I have been able to get the
perl->matlab OLE interface work if I start matlab from within the perl
script using
$ML = Win32::OLE->new('Matlab.Application', sub {$_[0]->Quit;})
or die "Oops, cannot start MATLAB";
But I cannot find the matlab OLE object if I start matlab first and run
the perl script from inside matlab.
This is the kind of output I would expect to see from running the
matlab program:
# Object=Win32::OLE=HASH(0x183ef90) Class=DIMLApp
Found 1 OLE Object(s)
Instead I don't fine any OLE objects. Any suggestions or additional
documentation I haven't yet found would be very helpful.
Here are the matlab and perl files I am using:
Perl_link.m:
function perl_link
%
%% would like to use test.pl to parse some large data file and store
the
%% information in arrays in matlab
!perl test.pl
%% Would then like to use matlab to do some processing on the arrays
and
%% plot the results
Test.pl:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
#
use strict;
use warnings;
use Win32::OLE;
use Win32::OLE::Variant;
my $Count;
$Count = Win32::OLE->EnumAllObjects(sub {
my $Object = shift;
my $Class = Win32::OLE->QueryObjectType($Object);
printf "# Object=%s Class=%s\n", $Object, $Class;
});
print "Found $Count OLE Object(s)\n";
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:48:12 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Interfacing with Matlab using Win32::OLE
Message-Id: <Xns9800AB07B8C7Easu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
"scottmf" <fleming.scott@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1152909045.974544.220860@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> I am not sure if this is more of an issue with Matlab or Perl, but
> here is what I am having trouble doing:
> I want a user to be able to start Matlab (on a WinXP machine) and run
> a matlab program like perl_link.m below that runs a perl script. The
> perl script then parses a large data file and stores the results in
> several arrays in matlab using OLE objects. The rest of the matlab
> program then processes those arrays. I have been able to get the
> perl->matlab OLE interface work if I start matlab from within the perl
> script using
I can't test anything because I do not have MatLab (I prefer Octave),
but I think you are making things unnecessarily difficult.
I would have first tried approach of invoking MatLab with input and
output file parameters.
> $ML = Win32::OLE->new('Matlab.Application', sub {$_[0]->Quit;})
> or die "Oops, cannot start MATLAB";
You should have:
use warnings;
use strict;
as well as:
Win32::OLE->Option(Warn => 3);
to get information that can help you.
Sinan
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Date: 6 Apr 2001 21:33:47 GMT (Last modified)
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Subject: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01)
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