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Today's topics:
        [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed  <arifsaha@yahoo.com>
    Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or scre <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
    Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or scre <arifsaha@yahoo.com>
    Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or scre <trwww@sbcglobal.net>
    Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or scre <arifsaha@yahoo.com>
    Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or scre <joe@inwap.com>
    Re: Computer Industry Workers May Face Cancer Risks <presence@MUNGEpanix.com>
    Re: Does recursive call able to print in same page as m <ynleder@nspark.org>
    Re: languages with full unicode support <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
        need simple beep and taint mode <ynleder@nspark.org>
    Re: need simple beep and taint mode <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
    Re: pls help me in finding solution of two problems <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
    Re: pls help me in finding solution of two problems <tadmc@augustmail.com>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <christoph.lamprecht.no.spam@web.de>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <David.Squire@no.spam.from.here.au>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <David.Squire@no.spam.from.here.au>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
    Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl applicat <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
    Re: scope trouble <tadmc@augustmail.com>
    Re: XML::Twig <virtualspy3@gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:05:54 GMT
From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo <arifsaha@yahoo.com>
Subject: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed up machine?
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607021603020.25259@ccc2003>

Hi!

I have this one machine that I help maintain remotely have its 
perl 5.8.0 exhibit peculiar behaviour: the pattern [^\s]+ will 
not match anything.

Observe this example:

$ cat bug.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

while(<>) {
  	print "You type:".$_;
  	if(/([^\s]+)/) {
  		print "[$1] (".length($1).")\n";
  	}
  	else {
  		print "NONE\n";
  	}
}
$ echo foo bar | ./bug.pl
You type:foo bar
NONE
$

As comparison, I copied that small program to different systems, 
one running newer (v5.8.5) and others run older (v5.6.1) perl. 
The result in these systems are different with the first system:

$ echo foo bar | ./bug.pl
You type:foo bar
[foo] (3)
$

Any idea what happen?

Note that this example is a result of problem narrowing. I 
obviously need the [^\s]+ for more complex regex, something like 
[^\s\<\@]+

I tried reinstall linux from fresh rpm in the first system, but 
the result stand. Then I updated to the one from Fedora Legacy 
project, but it make no difference.

I have no comparable system either the distribution version nor 
the perl version, so I cannot say for sure what is wrong here.

More info:

$ uname -a
Linux rinjani 2.6.10-rinjani #1 Thu Dec 30 11:22:45 CST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
$ rpm -q perl
perl-5.8.0-90.0.13.legacy
$ cat /etc/*release*
Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)
$ perl -v

This is perl, v5.8.0 built for i386-linux-thread-multi
(with 2 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)

Copyright 1987-2002, Larry Wall

Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the
GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.

Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on
this system using `man perl' or `perldoc perl'.  If you have access to the
Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.com/, the Perl Home Page.

$ perl -V
Summary of my perl5 (revision 5.0 version 8 subversion 0) configuration:
    Platform:
      osname=linux, osvers=2.6.8-1.521smp, archname=i386-linux-thread-multi
      uname='linux jan'
      config_args='-des -Doptimize=-O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -Dmyhostname=localhost -Dperladmin=root@localhost -Dcc=gcc -Dcf_by=Red Hat, Inc. -Dinstallprefix=/usr -Dprefix=/usr -Darchname=i386-linux -Dvendorprefix=/usr -Dsiteprefix=/usr -Dotherlibdirs=/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 -Duseshrplib -Dusethreads -Duseithreads -Duselargefiles -Dd_dosuid -Dd_semctl_semun -Di_db -Ui_ndbm -Di_gdbm -Di_shadow -Di_syslog -Dman3ext=3pm -Duseperlio -Dinstallusrbinperl -Ubincompat5005 -Uversiononly -Dpager=/usr/bin/less -isr'
      hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
      usethreads=define use5005threads=undef'
   useithreads=define usemultiplicity=
      useperlio= d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef
      use64bitint=undef use64bitall=un uselongdouble=
      usemymalloc=, bincompat5005=undef
    Compiler:
      cc='gcc', ccflags ='-D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -DDEBUGGING -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/gdbm',
      optimize='',
      cppflags='-D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -DDEBUGGING -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/gdbm'
      ccversion='', gccversion='3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)', gccosandvers=''
gccversion='3.2.2 200302'
      intsize=r, longsize=r, ptrsize=5, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234
      d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=12
      ivtype='long'
k', ivsize=4'
ivtype=, nvtype='double'
o_nonbl', nvsize=, Off_t='', lseeksize=8
      alignbytes=4, prototype=define
    Linker and Libraries:
      ld='gcc'
l', ldflags =' -L/usr'
      libpth=/usr/local/lib /lib /usr/lib
      libs=-lnsl -lgdbm -ldb -ldl -lm -lpthread -lc -lcrypt -lutil
      perllibs=
      libc=/lib/libc-2.3.2.so, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libper
      gnulibc_version='2.3.2'
    Dynamic Linking:
      dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so', d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags='-rdynamic -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/CORE'
      cccdlflags='-fPIC'
ccdlflags='-rdynamic -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/perl5', lddlflags='s Unicode/Normalize XS/A'


Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
    Compile-time options: DEBUGGING MULTIPLICITY USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT
    Locally applied patches:
    	MAINT18379
    	SPRINTF0 - fixes for sprintf formatting issues - CVE-2005-3962
    Built under linux
    Compiled at Jan 28 2006 08:04:14
    @INC:
      /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi
      /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0
      /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi
      /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0
      /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl
      /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi
      /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0
      /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl
      /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi
      /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0
      .
$


Thanks!

-- 
                               (Stephan Paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo
     _____  _____  _____  _____
    /____  /____/ /____/ /____
   _____/ /      /    / _____/      http://www.arifsaha.com/


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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:16:26 +0200
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed up machine?
Message-Id: <e8832c.1c0.1@news.isolution.nl>

S P Arif Sahari Wibowo schreef:

> perl 5.8.0 exhibit peculiar behaviour: the pattern [^\s]+ will
> not match anything.

Workaround: \S+

-- 
Affijn, Ruud

"Gewoon is een tijger."




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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:47:49 GMT
From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo <arifsaha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed up machine?
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607020745450.25259@ccc2003>

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Dr.Ruud wrote:
> S P Arif Sahari Wibowo schreef:
>> perl 5.8.0 exhibit peculiar behaviour: the pattern [^\s]+ 
>> will not match anything.
>
> Workaround: \S+

Actually I will need other character in that brackets, e.g. 
[^\s\<\@]+ something like that. Can you tell me how your 
workaround works in that case?

Thanks!

-- 
                              (Stephan Paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo
    _____  _____  _____  _____
   /____  /____/ /____/ /____
  _____/ /      /    / _____/      http://www.arifsaha.com/


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:42:39 GMT
From: "Todd W" <trwww@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed up machine?
Message-Id: <PPRpg.114318$H71.105466@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>


"S P Arif Sahari Wibowo" <arifsaha@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0607020745450.25259@ccc2003...

> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Dr.Ruud wrote:

>> S P Arif Sahari Wibowo schreef:

>>> perl 5.8.0 exhibit peculiar behaviour: the pattern [^\s]+ will not match 
>>> anything.
>>
>> Workaround: \S+
>
> Actually I will need other character in that brackets, e.g. [^\s\<\@]+ 
> something like that. Can you tell me how your workaround works in that 
> case?
>

Give us some sample data please. Then we can help.

Todd W.




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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:02:21 GMT
From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo <arifsaha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed up machine?
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607021601370.25259@ccc2003>

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Todd W wrote:
> Give us some sample data please. Then we can help.

I did. I'll repost my original posting, then.

-- 
                              (Stephan Paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo
    _____  _____  _____  _____
   /____  /____/ /____/ /____
  _____/ /      /    / _____/      http://www.arifsaha.com/


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:49:51 -0700
From: Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com>
Subject: Re: [^\s]+ won't match anything: perl 5.8.0 bug or screwed up machine?
Message-Id: <0sydnepBcYo-ojXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>

S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote:
> I have this one machine that I help maintain remotely have its perl 
> 5.8.0 exhibit peculiar behaviour: the pattern [^\s]+ will not match 
> anything.

Version 5.8.0 has known bugs.  Upgrade.  The problem does not
show up in version 5.8.3 or later.
	-Joe


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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:27:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com>
Subject: Re: Computer Industry Workers May Face Cancer Risks
Message-Id: <e89dn8$4ag$5@reader2.panix.com>

In comp.unix.solaris studyandjobs@yahoo.com wrote:
> Computer Industry Workers May Face Cancer Risks
> 
> http://www.studyandjobs.com/Comp_worker_cancer.html
> 
> or visit
> http://www.studyandjobs.com/Cancer.html
> 
> Regards

worthless add banner site


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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:45:54 +0200
From: Yohan N. Leder <ynleder@nspark.org>
Subject: Re: Does recursive call able to print in same page as main call
Message-Id: <MPG.1f11d05e7866bc5e9898ba@news.tiscali.fr>

In article <YIGdnew7w-bDbTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, 
ermeyers@adelphia.net says...
> Yohan N. Leder wrote:
> 
> > Didn't you done any mistake at a time or another ? Tolerance sounds
> > better than morality, isn't it.
> 
> Not everyone is jaded by their being a volunteer, so just forget about it
> Yohan, and go on with your good, and occasionally erring life, like
> everyone else of us has to do.
> 
> I see no problem with what you've done.  We all make honest mistakes.
> 
> Eric
> 

:-)


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:20:19 +0200
From: Oliver Bandel <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: languages with full unicode support
Message-Id: <1151857200.499567@elch.in-berlin.de>

Matthias Blume wrote:

> Tin Gherdanarra <tinman31337@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>Oliver Bandel wrote:
>>
>>>こんいちわ Xah-Lee san ;-)
>>
>>Uhm, I'd guess that Xah is Chinese. Be careful
>>with such things in real life; Koreans might
>>beat you up for this. Stay alive!
> 
> 
> And the Japanese might beat him up, too.  For butchering their
> language. :-)

OK, back to ISO-8859-1 :)  no one needs so much symbols,
this is enough: äöüÄÖÜß :)


Ciao,
   Oliver


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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:28:53 +0200
From: Yohan N. Leder <ynleder@nspark.org>
Subject: need simple beep and taint mode
Message-Id: <MPG.1f1258fcb4f3542e98986e@news.tiscali.fr>

Very quick question this time. How to do a 'print "\a";' still produces 
a beep when script is in taint mode. It works fine without -T, but 
nothing in speaker when I'm back to taint mode. If it has some 
importance, this test has been done using ActivePerl 5.8.8.817 under Win 
2K. What's the trick ?


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:02:46 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Subject: Re: need simple beep and taint mode
Message-Id: <m2d5cny8ah.fsf@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>

Yohan N. Leder <ynleder@nspark.org> writes:

> Very quick question this time. How to do a 'print "\a";' still produces 
> a beep when script is in taint mode. It works fine without -T, but 
> nothing in speaker when I'm back to taint mode. If it has some 
> importance, this test has been done using ActivePerl 5.8.8.817 under Win 
> 2K. What's the trick ?

How are you running your tests? Perl doesn't actually beep; 'print "\a";'
simply sends an ASCII control character to stdout. It's up to whatever's
collecting your script's output to decide how to respond to that character.

Quite a few terminals, for instance, have an option to invert the display
colors briefly instead of (or in addition to) beeping, for the hearing-
impaired.

So, are you running both tests in the same shell? Or does the silent one
happen to be running under something that's not likely to beep in response
to a "\a", such as a web server?

sherm--

-- 
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:23:11 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: pls help me in finding solution of two problems
Message-Id: <Xns97F45F93F5F4Dasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>

"ashish.sachan@gmail.com" <ashish.sachan@gmail.com> wrote in 
news:1151817686.439043.229750@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

> 1. Develop

We don't respond to commands well.

> a shell 

Wrong newsgroup.

> and a perl script

perldoc -q difference

We don't do your homework for you. However, if you need help along the 
way, the best way to get is to first read the posting guidelines for 
this group, then come up with your best attempt, and post it here in 
accordance with the posting guidelines.

Otherwise, you'll get killfiled by a lot of people.

Sinan

-- 
A. Sinan Unur <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
(remove .invalid and reverse each component for email address)

comp.lang.perl.misc guidelines on the WWW:
http://augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html



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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:02:27 -0500
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: pls help me in finding solution of two problems
Message-Id: <slrneafgv3.iha.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com>

ashish.sachan@gmail.com <ashish.sachan@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi i m just starign with PERL..given two problems to solve ..pls help
> me in solving them


We would be happy to _help_.

We would not be happy to do your homework for you.

What part are you stuck on?

What code do you have so far?


> 1. Develop a shell and a perl script to run on a Linux machine.

> 2. Develop a shell and a perl script to print the process-id tree.


Do you think that someone who teaches Perl classes might read the
Perl newsgroups? Aren't you afraid of being caught cheating?

Does your professor approve of having someone else solve your
homework problem for you?


-- 
    Tad McClellan                          SGML consulting
    tadmc@augustmail.com                   Perl programming
    Fort Worth, Texas


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:44:24 +0200
From: Ch Lamprecht <christoph.lamprecht.no.spam@web.de>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <e88115$2b2$1@online.de>

Bob wrote:
> Re: A. Sinan Unur
> 
> 
>>I am not sure how an IDE would provide that. I think you are confused
>>about what IDE means. I think, you are confusing it with a framework.
> 
> 
> Framework is synonymous for an Integrated Development Environment,
> or IDE, which is the term that I see more often. Some people intend the
> 
> IDE for an editor that assists you with the different files and their
> dependences,
> other intend it for a GUI editor, and other intend it for a combination
> of the two
> with the added benefit of porting and package generation. We are
> talking 
> about professional frameworks, of course.
> 
> Bob
> 

use Smalltalk ;)

Christoph

-- 

perl -e "print scalar reverse q/ed.enilno@ergn.l.hc/"


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Date: 2 Jul 2006 05:08:45 -0700
From: "Bob" <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <1151842125.549799.127910@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

To summarise,

the most useful information so far is the link to Wikipedia's page on
"frameworks", which I have just updated with a link to the Mono
project.

Concerning the linguistic adventure on IDE vs framework, the above page
by Wikipedia is classified as follows (bottom of the page):

"Category: Integrated development environments"

This means that I am right in considering IDEs as a more general
cathegory, as "frameworks" are indeed a component of IDEs.

Let us move forward, or I shall rather say backwards to my original
post. Do you have any experience about IDEs that generate
cross-platform executables?

Bob



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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:19:24 +0100
From: David Squire <David.Squire@no.spam.from.here.au>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <e88dkd$e7u$1@news.ox.ac.uk>

Bob wrote:
> To summarise,
> 
> the most useful information so far is the link to Wikipedia's page on
> "frameworks", which I have just updated with a link to the Mono
> project.
> 
> Concerning the linguistic adventure on IDE vs framework, the above page
> by Wikipedia is classified as follows (bottom of the page):
> 
> "Category: Integrated development environments"
> 
> This means that I am right in considering IDEs as a more general
> cathegory, as "frameworks" are indeed a component of IDEs.

If you read the Wikipedia page on IDEs 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment) you 
will see that it says right at the start:

"IDEs normally consist of a source code editor, a compiler and/or 
interpreter, build-automation tools, and (usually) a debugger. Sometimes 
a version control system and various tools to simplify the construction 
of a GUI are integrated as well."

which is in complete agreement with what people here have been saying. 
GUI construction and other framework-type elements are an optional 
extra, not part of the core idea of an IDE.


DS


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Date: 2 Jul 2006 06:41:05 -0700
From: "Bob" <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <1151847664.911511.320690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

David Squire wrote:

> which is in complete agreement with what people here have been saying.
> GUI construction and other framework-type elements are an optional
> extra, not part of the core idea of an IDE.

Not at all. Wikipedia's page is in complete disagreement with them. By
cathegorizing A in B, for any A and B, one means that B is more general
than A, or A is a special case or part of B. Wikipedia says that A (the
framework) is part of B (the IDE). What people have been saying here is
that A (the framework) is "not part of" B (the IDE), which is exactly
the negation of the above statement.

Bob



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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:57:40 +0100
From: David Squire <David.Squire@no.spam.from.here.au>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <e88jck$fu0$1@news.ox.ac.uk>

Bob wrote:
> David Squire wrote:
> 
>> which is in complete agreement with what people here have been saying.
>> GUI construction and other framework-type elements are an optional
>> extra, not part of the core idea of an IDE.
> 
> Not at all. Wikipedia's page is in complete disagreement with them. By
> cathegorizing A in B, for any A and B, one means that B is more general
> than A, or A is a special case or part of B. Wikipedia says that A (the
> framework) is part of B (the IDE). 

It does not say that. It says that an IDE *can* include a framework, not 
  that it must - in the text, not in the categories (and a simple tree 
of categories cannot handle nuances such as this, unless the arcs are 
labelled).

> What people have been saying here is
> that A (the framework) is "not part of" B (the IDE), which is exactly
> the negation of the above statement.

 ... but the original statement is a misrepresentation.

You have conveniently snipped the text of the definition itself, which 
contradicts your reading of the category tree. IDEs and frameworks are 
separate things. An IDE can exist without including a framework of 
libraries etc., though some IDEs do incorporate framework elements. 
Likewise, a framework can exist without an IDE - I don't need to use an 
IDE to use the Tk GUI building framework, for example.

The statements "A can include B" and "A must include B" are not equivalent.


DS


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Date: 2 Jul 2006 07:33:44 -0700
From: "Bob" <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <1151850824.628898.145720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

David, the Wikipedia reads correctly. There is no further ground for
misunderstandings. Also, the word "Integrated" in "Integrated
Development Environment" should (must) ring you a bell. Your
disagreement on "A is part of B" vs "B can be a part of A" is just
playing with words.

Bob



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Date: 2 Jul 2006 07:53:07 -0700
From: "Bob" <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <1151851987.769284.254390@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

Unless I spot anything better, I am settling for wxWidgets. I think
I'll port the application's GUI from tk to wxWidgets, and follow the
wyoGuide to make the application platform-independent.

Thank you,
Bob



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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:12:38 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <m2fyhklym1.fsf@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>

"Bob" <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com> writes:

> David, the Wikipedia reads correctly.

Yes it does, and it says that your definition is wrong.

You're being childish, and you'll get no further help from me.

sherm--

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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:15:29 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Subject: Re: Professional IDE for a cross-platform Perl application
Message-Id: <m28xnclyha.fsf@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>

"Bob" <catdogbeloved@yahoo.com> writes:

> Unless I spot anything better, I am settling for wxWidgets.

I could tell you about something better, but it wouldn't fit your definition
of "IDE", so I guess I won't bother arguing about it with you.

sherm--

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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:54:34 -0500
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: scope trouble
Message-Id: <slrneafk0q.iha.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com>

Shane <shane@weasel.is-a-geek.net> wrote:
> xhoster@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Shane <shane@weasel.is-a-geek.net> wrote:
> 
>>> and these are the errors
>>> syntax error at ./attempt3.pl line 234, near "%counted_hash{"
>> 
>> You have a syntax error at line 234, near "%counted_hash{".  You should
>> use $, rather than %, when refering to a specific member of a hash.


> Indeed perl wanted all the %counted_hash to be $counted_hash 


No it didn't.

It wanted all %counted_hash{key} to be $counted_hash{key}.

The curly braces are part of the expression that perl is 
trying to evaluate.


> Now the error is
> Can't use "my $a" in sort comparison at ./attempt3.pl line 237.


The solution to that would be to not use "my $a" in sort 
comparison at ./attempt3.pl line 237.


> Am I going about this the right way?


No, but explaining a better way would surely be too pedantic, so I'll
take your earlier recommendation and simply "ignore it".   :-)


-- 
    Tad McClellan                          SGML consulting
    tadmc@augustmail.com                   Perl programming
    Fort Worth, Texas


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Date: 2 Jul 2006 14:10:43 -0700
From: "jack" <virtualspy3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: XML::Twig
Message-Id: <1151874643.187500.73200@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

John Bokma wrote:
> "jack" <virtualspy3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for you reply. I went through cpan.org, and the xmltwig site but
> > they dont seem to have any good number examples about how I can access
> > the functionality. Please let me know.
>
> Don't top reply (reply under the part you're replying to, remove all lines
> that are no longer needed, like my signature, etc.).
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=XML%3A%3ATwig%20examples
>
> http://www.xmltwig.com/article/
> http://www.xmltwig.com/tutorial/
> http://www.xmltwig.com/xmltwig/tutorial/


Thanks!
Jack



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