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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Wed, 26 Oct 2005 Volume: 10 Number: 8574
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Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid>
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid>
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es>
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:17:42 GMT
From: Roedy Green <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
Message-Id: <pj60m194h7023ro20chuirldl8o29n31ca@4ax.com>
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:53:07 -0700, "David Schwartz"
<davids@webmaster.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :
> Umm, it's not a judgment. Microsoft said you can sell Windows and other
>operating systems, but there will be a charge for every machine you sell
>without Windows -- if you want to be able to buy Windows wholesale. Someone
>could comply with this by not selling any other operating systems at all and
>never pay the fee. Therefore, this is a lesser restriction than saying you
>can only sell Windows wholesale if you don't sell or offer any competing
>systems. If I have the right to say you can't use my car at all, I have the
>lesser right to impose the lesser restriction that you can only use my car
>if you pay me $10.
It makes a big difference that MS has a monopoly.
If I open an washing machine store and Maytag says, "we only sell
wholesale to you if you agree to sell our brand exclusively."
What Microsoft did is different for three reasons:
1. the Maytag agreement made up front, not imposed to shut down a
business who has never signed a prior exclusivity contract.
2. The appliance store has lots of other brands to sell. In my case,
failing to comply with MS's illegal and immoral demand would put me
out of busness. They were forcing me into commit criminal acts or lose
my business.
3. Maytag makes the machines. In the computer instance, we at CMP
custom build the computers. Microsoft have no business telling me what
to do when they supplied only one component. I could not even sell a
BARE computer.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:21:07 GMT
From: Roedy Green <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
Message-Id: <5970m1tfp5qoh9qpr6cbiki6n7b7ajbi3b@4ax.com>
On 26 Oct 2005 18:05:45 +0200, Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
<jadedgamer@hotmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :
>> IBM seems to have had a history of squeezing out competition in the
>> same way Microsoft has, if I recall correctly.
>
>... and were told not to by a court. Which is the whole reason for the
>existence of IBM clones, whether PCs or mainframes.
Back in the early days, IBM was just as bad as MS. Competition and
some smackdown by the DOJ, have made them much better behaved.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:28:46 +0200
From: "Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
Message-Id: <uij533-fbp.ln1@news.it.uc3m.es>
In comp.os.linux.misc Roedy Green <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid> wrote:
> 3. Maytag makes the machines. In the computer instance, we at CMP
> custom build the computers. Microsoft have no business telling me what
> to do when they supplied only one component. I could not even sell a
> BARE computer.
I'm a bit curious about this. If I were a business person, I would
simply have created two busineses (two accounts, etc.). One business
sells only machines with MS on and pays the MS tax on all its machines.
One business sells only machines without MS on and pays the MS tax on
none of its machines.
What's up with that?
Peter
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