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Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <sbryce@scottbryce.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <glex_nospam@qwest.invalid>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <nospam@bigpond.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <sbryce@scottbryce.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <matternc@comcast.net>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage (Axel)
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <hackeras@gmail.com>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
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Re: using LWP to get a very large file <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:13:10 +0200
From: Mark Clements <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <4270fd88$0$25027$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>
Nikos wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>
>> Nikos wrote:
>>
>>> Will you please help me make the appropriate tweaks to the already
>>> created scripts to implement that.
>>
>>
>>
>> No. That isn't what this newsgroup is about.
>>
>>
>>> Do you agree with those names of the database tables and the columns
>>> in it to what i want to do? Dis i pick them correctly?
>>
>>
>>
>> This newsgroup is not about choosing field names for your databases.
>
>
> I will need some guidelines, i have already started it but i dont knwo
> how to proceed.
Again, you are abusing the goodwill of the readers of this newsgroup.
Can you not see that you are being exceptionally rude? How many people
have to point out to you that you are behaving badly before you realise?
Are you actually reading any of this?
> I just dont know hot to write it neither i can afforf paying someone
> else to write it. I can though try step by step something.
So:
you don't know how to do something
you have had many, many, perfectly adequate explanations of what needs
to be done and how to modify your approach
you want someone else to do it all for you
you want them to do it for free
There is clearly something I'm not getting here.
> ps. Hiring a Perl programmer write something costs 147$ per hour? Oh
> boy, this job is a goldmine if someone knows how to program.
In which universe does EUR represent US dollars? EUR, funnily enough,
means Euros, thus chosen because it is a nice round number (at the
moment) in Sterling, if you know what that is. That isn't a typical rate
(I wish): it is a special rate for *you*. If you don't like my rates,
then I'm sure others here will be willing to give you alternative rates
and express them in currency units you understand.
I need to walk away.
Mark
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:32:52 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4qvn4$gjt$1@nic.grnet.gr>
Mark Clements wrote:
> you want someone else to do it all for you
No i'll do it but when i stuck i will ask for help.
At this moment i dont knwo how to evne start!
> then I'm sure others here will be willing to give you alternative rates
> and express them in currency units you understand.
I do understand Euros since i use them. I though it your first psot
asking for payment you were talking dollars.
Actually 1 Euro ~= 1 dollar
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:39:32 -0500
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <slrnd720tk.a5t.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com>
Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>> Nikos wrote:
>>> Do you agree with those names of the database tables and the columns
>>> in it to what i want to do? Dis i pick them correctly?
>>
>> This newsgroup is not about choosing field names for your databases.
>
> I will need some guidelines,
What would be the point of that?
You have demonstrated time and time again that you won't follow
good advice.
> Well i think columns names do matter
You seem to have reading comprehension issues as well.
Read what Scott wrote. Did he say that the column names do not matter?
No, he said that choosing the column names are OFF TOPIC here, as they
have no relationship to Perl (the topic of this newsgroup).
Nobody here gives a rat's ass about what column names you choose,
because that has nothing to do with Perl.
> I don't know how to start to what i have asked,
Yes you do...
> For starters i must have a button that a user will click in order to
> sign up and then login with user name and password.
... start with a login webpage.
(you can get all of that done with ZERO Perl code, so making the
login webpage is off-topic here too.
)
> I can though try step by step something.
You have proven otherwise many many times already. What has changed?
> ps. Hiring a Perl programmer write something costs 147$ per hour?
Where did you get that figure?
> Oh
> boy, this job is a goldmine if someone knows how to program.
Most jobs that require extensive training pay well, that is no surprise.
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:54:50 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <Xns9646791B1E944asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote in news:d4qvn4$gjt$1@nic.grnet.gr:
> Mark Clements wrote:
>> then I'm sure others here will be willing to give you alternative rates
>> and express them in currency units you understand.
...
> Actually 1 Euro ~= 1 dollar
Try 1 Euro = 1.3 USD.
--
A. Sinan Unur <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
(reverse each component and remove .invalid for email address)
comp.lang.perl.misc guidelines on the WWW:
http://mail.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:02:39 +0200
From: Mark Clements <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <42710923$0$3143$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>
Tad McClellan wrote:
> Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>ps. Hiring a Perl programmer write something costs 147$ per hour?
>
>
>
> Where did you get that figure?
>
>
Me, I'm afraid, in another thread, which Nikos managed to reply to in
this one. It was a special "sickener" price for him, except I clearly
quoted in Euros and he doesn't appear to be able to read.
Sinan has attempted to explain that USD and EUR are *not* at parity but
I doubt if Nikos will bother reading that.
I should know better than to introduce another potential source of
confusion.
Mark
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:14:12 -0600
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce@scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <vpWdnfXQTJl4hOzfRVn-gA@comcast.com>
Nikos wrote:
> Well i think columns names do matter because they have to be
> self-explanatory and help user think why they are existing.
Perhaps, but that is not a Perl issue.
> For starters i must have a button that a user will click in order to
> sign up and then login with user name and password.
Creating buttons is also not a Perl issue. Securing a web site is
probably too complex for your skill level.
> ps. Hiring a Perl programmer write something costs 147$ per hour? Oh
> boy, this job is a goldmine if someone knows how to program.
I'm going broke. But I'm not one of the better programmers here.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:21:52 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4r63g$m8f$1@nic.grnet.gr>
Scott Bryce wrote:
> Creating buttons is also not a Perl issue. Securing a web site is
> probably too complex for your skill level.
Yes, it is. Iam almost an absolute beginner.
>> ps. Hiring a Perl programmer write something costs 147$ per hour? Oh
>> boy, this job is a goldmine if someone knows how to program.
>
>
> I'm going broke. But I'm not one of the better programmers here.
I can pay you 10 Euros via neteller if you make the script.
Its not much but:
a) I cant afford to pay money.
b) It would be something than helping me with no cost.
What do you say?
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:20:17 +0200
From: peter pilsl <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <42711bd2$0$3248$79720d31@newsreader.inode.at>
Nikos wrote:
>
> Will you please help me make the appropriate tweaks to the already
> created scripts to implement that.
> Iam trying too but unfortunately iam no expert.
>
you should start by buying a book "how to learn perl" or "how to learn
CGI". There will be many example-programs and you can learn
step-by-step. This is what books are for.
Then you will start changing the example-scripts and beeing able to make
your own scripts and then you'll have questions like "how do I lowercase
utf8-encoded text" and then this newsgroup will be looking forward to
help you. This is what the newsgroup is for. To answer specific questions.
But this newsgroup cannot help you when you dont have a clue about perl
and cgi.
And yes: databasenames are very important, but I'm sure you'll figure
out the correct names for yourself.
best,
peter
--
http://www.goldfisch.at/know_list
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:41:02 +0200
From: peter pilsl <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <427120b0$0$3243$79720d31@newsreader.inode.at>
Nikos wrote:
>
> I can pay you 10 Euros via neteller if you make the script.
> Its not much but:
>
> a) I cant afford to pay money.
>
> b) It would be something than helping me with no cost.
>
> What do you say?
Add another 10€, so you get 20€ and buy a book and take some time to
read and learn. Believe me: it pays off !!
p
--
http://www.goldfisch.at/know_list
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:47:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <Xns96468C4F1C947asu1cornelledu@132.236.56.8>
Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote in news:d4r63g$m8f$1@nic.grnet.gr:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>
>> Creating buttons is also not a Perl issue. Securing a web site is
>> probably too complex for your skill level.
>
> Yes, it is. Iam almost an absolute beginner.
>
>>> ps. Hiring a Perl programmer write something costs 147$ per hour? Oh
>>> boy, this job is a goldmine if someone knows how to program.
>>
>>
>> I'm going broke. But I'm not one of the better programmers here.
>
> I can pay you 10 Euros via neteller if you make the script.
> Its not much but:
>
> a) I cant afford to pay money.
>
> b) It would be something than helping me with no cost.
>
> What do you say?
*I* think your time is better spent studying a little. Break down
whatever you are trying to do in to bite-sized pieces, and figure out how
to accomplish what is needed for each piece.
After all, that is why programming is satisfying: Instant feedback when
you screw up, and instant gratification when you succeed. You are not
going to get gratification if you continue to insist on not following
others' advice.
Go to groups.google.com, find your first post, and re-read the answers.
Sinan.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:53:55 -0500
From: "J. Gleixner" <glex_nospam@qwest.invalid>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <Tq9ce.20$hK3.633@news.uswest.net>
Nikos wrote:
> I just dont know hot to write it neither i can afforf paying someone
> else to write it. I can though try step by step something.
Well, then you're in a bit of a quandary. You want to build a shed,
just like your neighbor's, but you don't even have a hammer & nails nor
do you know how, and you're unable to hire someone who has all the tools
and knows exactly what to do. Basically, you have two options:
o Don't build it.
o Learn how to build it yourself.
There are thousands of sites on the Internet, along with a lot of books,
to help you learn how to do whatever you want. This newsgroup is not the
best place to teach you step by step, how to do something. Use search
engines, read articles, tutorials, code, etc. and learn it yourself, one
step at a time. The initiative is on you.
P.S. I don't want to add to your learning curve, however IMHO, based on
what you said you're trying to do and your nascent programming ability,
you may want to use PHP instead. http://www.php.net/ There's plenty of
documentation and a newsgroup specifically for PHP. nudge..nudge..
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:57:48 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4r86r$o35$1@nic.grnet.gr>
peter pilsl wrote:
> Nikos wrote:
>
>>
>> Will you please help me make the appropriate tweaks to the already
>> created scripts to implement that.
>> Iam trying too but unfortunately iam no expert.
>>
>
>
> you should start by buying a book "how to learn perl" or "how to learn
> CGI". There will be many example-programs and you can learn
> step-by-step. This is what books are for.
> Then you will start changing the example-scripts and beeing able to make
> your own scripts and then you'll have questions like "how do I lowercase
> utf8-encoded text" and then this newsgroup will be looking forward to
> help you. This is what the newsgroup is for. To answer specific questions.
> But this newsgroup cannot help you when you dont have a clue about perl
> and cgi.
> And yes: databasenames are very important, but I'm sure you'll figure
> out the correct names for yourself.
Yes Peter, you are absolutely right.
This is the proper way of learning.
I already bought a book names "Learnign Perl" and i read some but
unfortunately i dont have the strenght of reading it all. Its 600 pages.
This is odd. I want to learn & use Perl but i can put much effort on
reading.
I'am more like trying practically something(typing code) and when i get
stuck then ask.
I know its not the correct way of functioning but this is how i do things.
Someone might consider that i am lazy, but if that was true then i
wouldn't even bother of trying to right the buggy code i right.
What i say does not owner me, but unfortunately its true.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:14:27 +0200
From: peter pilsl <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <42712887$0$3243$79720d31@newsreader.inode.at>
>
> I'am more like trying practically something(typing code) and when i get
> stuck then ask.
Not this is not what you do. You ask "how do I program a webpage?". you
dont ask "why is the parameter delivered by cgi.pm flawed?"
>
> What i say does not owner me, but unfortunately its true.
>
I would say, the only person that really should worry about this, is
yourself :) In fact: I dont care how you learn perl. I'm willing to
assist you if you have problems, but I'm not willing to learn you perl.
Nobody here is, so : read that book or dont learn perl ;) its as easy as
that and its completely up to you ;)
best,
peter
--
http://www.goldfisch.at/know_list
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:18:21 +0200
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <3dcnr2F6rq2fqU1@individual.net>
Nikos wrote:
> I already bought a book names "Learnign Perl" and i read some but
> unfortunately i dont have the strenght of reading it all. Its 600 pages.
>
> This is odd. I want to learn & use Perl but i can put much effort on
> reading.
>
> I'am more like trying practically something(typing code)
You seem to prefer 'the hard way'.
I learned writing CGI scripts in Perl without having read one single
book on programming. My starting point was badly written CGI scripts and
a few tutorials, and I surfed the web for guidance as soon as I
encountered a problem. Which I of course did for basically every new
step I took...
So believe me when I say that I know about 'the hard way'. Even if it
was a challenge, sort of - and I like challenges - I now wish that I had
read a book or two, or at least found the excellent recources at
http://learn.perl.org/
> and when i get stuck then ask.
> I know its not the correct way of functioning but this is how i do things.
Ask? How *you* do things?? But.. To do things like that, you need a
personal tutor, right? And forums like this group will never serve that
purpose.
> Someone might consider that i am lazy,
I for one am not sure.
Doing it 'the hard way' does certainly not make you lazy.
Expecting people to be your personal tutor for free does.
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:35:06 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4racr$q6t$1@nic.grnet.gr>
J. Gleixner wrote:
> Nikos wrote:
> There are thousands of sites on the Internet, along with a lot of books,
> to help you learn how to do whatever you want. This newsgroup is not the
> best place to teach you step by step, how to do something. Use search
> engines, read articles, tutorials, code, etc. and learn it yourself, one
> step at a time. The initiative is on you.
So, do you mind if i ask simple questions when i get stuck on something?
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:43:40 +1000
From: Gregory Toomey <nospam@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <42712fa1_1@x-privat.org>
Nikos wrote:
> Hello and Good Morning,
>
> I'll try to be as exact as possibl to what iam trying to do:
>
> Today i decided to change entirely my index.pl page and template and to
> create a new one.
> I will no longer presentate religious scripts
*PLONK*
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:51:51 +0200
From: Mark Clements <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <427130cb$0$3102$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>
Nikos wrote:
>
> I already bought a book names "Learnign Perl" and i read some but
> unfortunately i dont have the strenght of reading it all. Its 600 pages.
The O'Reilly one is 330 pages, according to Amazon. But this is
academic. In order to learn, you need to read. I don't really see how
you can disagree with this. I understand that English may not be your
first language, but quite often you'll find that technical documentation
is available in little else. Even speakers of widely-spoken European
languages like French and Spanish have to cope with this.
> This is odd. I want to learn & use Perl but i can put much effort on
> reading.
>
> I'am more like trying practically something(typing code) and when i get
> stuck then ask.
Oh - you're very good at getting stuck, and at asking. Unfortunately,
asking only works if one listens to the responses. You don't. *Ever*.
> Someone might consider that i am lazy, but if that was true then i
> wouldn't even bother of trying to right the buggy code i right.
I won't comment on your laziness, but would like to reiterate the
suggestion of PHP as I was thinking along the same lines as well. Go on:
you know you want to. Look, here's the newsgroup: comp.lang.php. Even
better (for you), how about ASP? Microsoft have a wealth of
documentation on .NET for you to get your teeth into. You'll love
reading it, and they have their own newsgroups: the server is
msnews.microsoft.com.
Mark
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:20:35 -0600
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce@scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <_O2dnTUzYpQZquzfRVn-sA@comcast.com>
Nikos wrote:
> So, do you mind if i ask simple questions when i get stuck on
> something?
Answering questions when people get stuck is what this NG is here for,
provided that the question pertains to coding in Perl, and not general,
"How do I build a web site?" type questions. Keep in mind that
many--probably most--of the regulars here use Perl for things other than
CGI, so they aren't horribly interested in your web design problems.
Simple questions are probably answered in the FAQ, which we expect you
to read. We also expect you to do some digging on your own, such as
looking up the answer in books or on the web or in the docs.
We also expect you to post a short, but complete program that
demonstrates the problem you are having. Strip out everything that does
not pertain to the question you want answered. Tell us what you tried,
what you expected it to do and what it did that you didn't expect.
But if you read the posting guidelines for this group, you would already
know all this.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:37:40 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4re22$qv$1@nic.grnet.gr>
Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> Nikos wrote:
> I learned writing CGI scripts in Perl without having read one single
> book on programming. My starting point was badly written CGI scripts and
> a few tutorials, and I surfed the web for guidance as soon as I
> encountered a problem. Which I of course did for basically every new
> step I took...
Thats what i am doing. That and ask others.
> So believe me when I say that I know about 'the hard way'. Even if it
> was a challenge, sort of - and I like challenges - I now wish that I had
> read a book or two, or at least found the excellent recources at
> http://learn.perl.org/
Why didn you read the books first but instead did what i now do?
I must admin that i am glad that someone else too thought the way i
think now, because i was feeling weird! :-)
--
-- It is not that things beyond technology do not exist.
It is that once we understand it, it becomes technology.
- Gandalf Parker
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:47:38 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4rekn$1cq$1@nic.grnet.gr>
Mark Clements wrote:
> Nikos wrote:
Are you tryign to send me away? :)
Before starting Perl i had all my webpage implemented in PHP.
I hate it. It was more easy though but it messes pure html with pure php
code in a single filke with the annoying <? & ?> scripts.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:50:07 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4repc$1cq$2@nic.grnet.gr>
Scott Bryce wrote:
> But if you read the posting guidelines for this group, you would already
> know all this.
Unfortunately the problem is that i dont read much.
For some reason i cant press myself to read.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:49:31 +0200
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <3dct63F6qogboU1@individual.net>
Nikos wrote:
> Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>> I learned writing CGI scripts in Perl without having read one single
>> book on programming. My starting point was badly written CGI scripts
>> and a few tutorials, and I surfed the web for guidance as soon as I
>> encountered a problem. Which I of course did for basically every new
>> step I took...
>
> Thats what i am doing. That and ask others.
>
>> So believe me when I say that I know about 'the hard way'. Even if it
>> was a challenge, sort of - and I like challenges - I now wish that I
>> had read a book or two, or at least found the excellent recources at
>> http://learn.perl.org/
>
> Why didn you read the books first but instead did what i now do?
First, I did *not* do what you are doing now, i.e. I did *not* keep
asking others for help.
So, *why* did I do it the way I said? I'm not sure, but I believe that
the most honest answer to that question would be: I didn't know better.
Maybe together with the fact that I did it for fun, not for food.
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:05:22 -0400
From: Chris Mattern <matternc@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <XOKdnTSjZaaf3-zfRVn-pw@comcast.com>
Nikos wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>
>> But if you read the posting guidelines for this group, you would already
>> know all this.
>
> Unfortunately the problem is that i dont read much.
> For some reason i cant press myself to read.
Then I must be blunt. I don't think programming is for you. Programming
well--or even at all--requires reading, reading and then reading some more.
--
Christopher Mattern
"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:11:44 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4rg1t$2j3$2@nic.grnet.gr>
Chris Mattern wrote:
> Nikos wrote:
>
>
>>Scott Bryce wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But if you read the posting guidelines for this group, you would already
>>>know all this.
>>
>>Unfortunately the problem is that i dont read much.
>>For some reason i cant press myself to read.
>
>
> Then I must be blunt. I don't think programming is for you. Programming
> well--or even at all--requires reading, reading and then reading some more.
I know, but i cant read a lot.
Problem is that i can quit the idea of make a webpage by using Perl as
well. :(
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:19:10 -0500
From: axel@white-eagle.invalid.uk (Axel)
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <17idnc4AdIij2OzfRVn-og@adelphia.com>
Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well i think columns names do matter because they have to be
> self-explanatory and help user think why they are existing.
No. The user should *not* know the names of the columns or indeed any
details of the implementation.
This has nothing to do with Perl.
Axel
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:22:21 +0300
From: Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <d4rglr$3bg$1@nic.grnet.gr>
Axel wrote:
> Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well i think columns names do matter because they have to be
>>self-explanatory and help user think why they are existing.
>
>
> No. The user should *not* know the names of the columns or indeed any
> details of the implementation.
The user not, the designer yes.
--
-- It is not that things beyond technology do not exist.
It is that once we understand it, it becomes technology.
- Gandalf Parker
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:57:59 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <Xns9646AC808C193asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Nikos <hackeras@gmail.com> wrote in news:d4repc$1cq$2@nic.grnet.gr:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>
>> But if you read the posting guidelines for this group, you would
>> already know all this.
>
> Unfortunately the problem is that i dont read much.
> For some reason i cant press myself to read.
Well, we can't do it for you.
Just as others cannot eat on your behalf.
The only excuse I can think of for your behavior is that you are an
excitable teenager.
Sinan
--
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comp.lang.perl.misc guidelines on the WWW:
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:58:18 +0200
From: Mark Clements <mark.clementsREMOVETHIS@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Entirely new idea for a webpage
Message-Id: <42714e6e$0$1220$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>
Nikos wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>
>> But if you read the posting guidelines for this group, you would
>> already know all this.
>
>
> Unfortunately the problem is that i dont read much.
> For some reason i cant press myself to read.
>
>
>
Not a problem Nikos: I can't press myself to help you, since you won't
help yourself. I imagine some, if not most, of the others are in the
same boat.
If you had invested as much energy reading documentation as you have in
continuing this ultimately pointless discussion and ignoring or fighting
against pretty much all the advice you have been given, then you would
already be in a much stronger position. Yes: you may have learnt
something *by yourself*.
I salute your persistence in the face of an overwhelming body of
argument and advice, but it is clearly true that there is one born every
minute. Either you are beyond help, or this has all just been an
elaborate wind-up. Possibly both are true.
Mark
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:11:30 +0200
From: Christian Drewing <news.10.cdrewing@spamgourmet.com>
Subject: Looking for mp3 fake generator script in websites
Message-Id: <42712751$0$10496$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>
I am looking for a script that generates a html page with fake mp3
download links on it. When you click on one file, the script will start
to send a "look-alike" Britney Spears/Madonna/Metallica-something file
with mp3 data - but it's all white noise.
I know, there IS a script like this on the web, but I forgot the name,
and it is ages ago that I read about it.
Thanx 4 help.
Chris.
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:41:22 +1000
From: Gregory Toomey <nospam@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for mp3 fake generator script in websites
Message-Id: <42712f17_1@x-privat.org>
Christian Drewing wrote:
>
> I am looking for a script that generates a html page with fake mp3
> download links on it. When you click on one file, the script will start
> to send a "look-alike" Britney Spears/Madonna/Metallica-something
Metallica? Is that a Module?
> file
> with mp3 data - but it's all white noise.
>
> I know, there IS a script like this on the web,
> but I forgot the name,
> and it is ages ago that I read about it.
>
> Thanx 4 help.
> Chris.
This group discusses aspects of Perl. You write code, we comment or help
debug. Many here have nothing to do with html or cgi.
So come back with your code example.
gtoomey
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:53:09 +0200
From: Christian Drewing <news.10.cdrewing@spamgourmet.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for mp3 fake generator script in websites
Message-Id: <42713115$0$10499$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>
Gregory Toomey schrieb:
> Metallica? Is that a Module?
Yeah, but the crew doesn't like it to be copied :)
> This group discusses aspects of Perl. You write code, we comment or help
> debug. Many here have nothing to do with html or cgi.
>
> So come back with your code example.
Well I am trying to find it as you see and I thought it was written in PERL.
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:59:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Looking for mp3 fake generator script in websites
Message-Id: <Xns96469889A8D86asu1cornelledu@132.236.56.8>
Christian Drewing <news.10.cdrewing@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
news:42713115$0$10499$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net:
> Gregory Toomey schrieb:
>> This group discusses aspects of Perl. You write code, we comment or
>> help debug. Many here have nothing to do with html or cgi.
>>
>> So come back with your code example.
>
> Well I am trying to find it as you see and I thought it was written in
> PERL.
You are not going to find it here.
Sinan
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:45:05 +0200
From: peter pilsl <pilsl@goldfisch.at>
Subject: Re: using LWP to get a very large file
Message-Id: <427121a4$0$3243$79720d31@newsreader.inode.at>
justme wrote:
> hi
>
> I have a remote machine running some application that generates very
> large
> log files in terms of Mb...say average 60Mb.
> Normally, we need to connect to this remote machine by keying in a URL
> in a browser such as http://remote:123/logs. Then the browser will
> display tab delimited columns of data.
>
> Questions:
> 1) this log file is very big ,60Mb at least. So , is LWP the one to
> use..or is there a better module to deal with large files..
> 2) While getting the log file, is it better in terms of memory usage
> to parse the data "on the fly" or get the whole file and do the
> parsing afterwards..
> 3) becos i am not at the physical machine, i can't really do something
> lika a "tail" feature which displays the data "realtime"... any ways
> to do a "tail" on the log file remotely?
>
wget is the tool of choice. compression on serverside is recommended,
you can save a lot of traffic and downloadtime for this. If you run a
usual webserver on serverside like apache, then enabling optional
compression is easy.
Its better to fetch the file and do the parsing afterwards. Just makes
things easier.
You can do a remotely tail if the server supports resumed download. But
I dont know how I would implement it. But its merely the same than
resumed download.
best,
peter
--
http://www.goldfisch.at/know_list
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:28:49 -0700
From: Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com>
Subject: Re: using LWP to get a very large file
Message-Id: <LYednUg2OsnzpOzfRVn-hA@comcast.com>
justme wrote:
> very large log files in terms of Mb...say average 60Mb.
60 MB is not large. 2 GB is large.
> 3) becos i am not at the physical machine, i can't really do something
> lika a "tail" feature which displays the data "realtime"... any ways
> to do a "tail" on the log file remotely?
I'm doing something like that at work.
*) Account on remote server has read access to the log files
an a SSH key to connect to a local server.
*) Account has a cron job that periodically runs rsync over ssh
to propagate changes in the log files to the local server.
*) Use File::Tail on the local server to follow the changes.
-Joe
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:49:35 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: using LWP to get a very large file
Message-Id: <Xns9646AB13D4F19asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote in news:LYednUg2OsnzpOzfRVn-
hA@comcast.com:
> justme wrote:
>
>> very large log files in terms of Mb...say average 60Mb.
>
> 60 MB is not large. 2 GB is large.
Just an observation on this matter. When I was downloading the Fedora DVD
ISO, I found out too late that the Cygwin version of wget that was on my
machine at the time could not handle file sizes larger than 2GB. OTOH,
using LWP::Simple, a Perl one liner downloaded the whole DVD image with no
problem. Of course, the progress indicator was not there, but such is
life.
Sinan
--
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