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Today's topics:
Re: 20050126 find replace strings in file <dave@dave.org.uk>
Re: [perl-python] sending email <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: [perl-python] sending email <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Re: [perl-python] sending email <yyusenet@yahoo.com>
Re: [perl-python] sending email <matternc@comcast.net>
Error in command line (Rajendra Pai)
Re: Error in command line <news@chaos-net.de>
Re: Error in command line <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Re: getting {string} from \${string} <jl_post@hotmail.com>
Just wondering - variables in html templates <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Perl loops should use break, not last <kst-u@mib.org>
Re: Perl loops should use break, not last (Anno Siegel)
Re: Perl loops should use break, not last <perl@my-header.org>
Re: Perl loops should use break, not last <perl@my-header.org>
Re: Perl loops should use break, not last <perl@my-header.org>
Re: Perl loops should use break, not last <joe@inwap.com>
sorting ascedning and descending <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Re: sorting ascedning and descending <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: what's OOP's jargons and complexities? <spam@mouse-potato.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:45:09 +0000
From: Dave Cross <dave@dave.org.uk>
Subject: Re: 20050126 find replace strings in file
Message-Id: <pan.2005.01.30.08.45.09.672723@dave.org.uk>
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:19:25 +0000, Charlton Wilbur wrote:
>>>>>> "TM" == Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com> writes:
>
> TM> [ Followup set ]
>
>
> TM> Dan Perl <danperl@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> >> I can't imagine why or how, but there are actually 26 members
> >> in the perl-python Yahoo! group who have registered to get
> >> these bogus lessons sent to them daily!
>
> TM> There is one born every minute.
>
> And when I poked at the list to see if I could figure out who was
> subscribing, it appeared to me that at least one of the subscribers
> was a comp.lang.lisp regular with such generosity of spirit or free
> time and pain tolerance as to go to Xah's playground and correct his
> errors *there*.
Well, I tried. But after I posted my first bunch of corrections he
made the list moderated so only he could post to it. So it does seem a bit
pointless me staying one the list now.
Dave...
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:09:54 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [perl-python] sending email
Message-Id: <mD0Ld.7589$RI.3683@trnddc06>
Xah Lee wrote:
[...]
> Here's how the situation stands as of 2001 March:
^^^^^^^^^^
Well, at least now we know why Mr. Lee is a little bit behind ....
jue
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:09:30 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: [perl-python] sending email
Message-Id: <slrncvpn4a.jkn.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com>
Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Xah Lee wrote:
> [...]
>> Here's how the situation stands as of 2001 March:
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Well, at least now we know why Mr. Lee is a little bit behind ....
Mr. Lee is a *big* behind!
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:58:26 -0700
From: YYusenet <yyusenet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [perl-python] sending email
Message-Id: <ctismg$t9f$1@news.xmission.com>
Xah Lee wrote:
[snip]
>
> The first two has glaring problems. I'm sorry i forgot what they
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> are.
^^^^
[snip]
How can you complain about *Mail::Mailer* and *Mail::Send* when you
don't even know what they are?
--
k g a b e r t (at) x m i s s i o n (dot) c o m
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:00:42 -0500
From: Chris Mattern <matternc@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [perl-python] sending email
Message-Id: <YP6dnT18vPMGa2HcRVn-tQ@comcast.com>
YYusenet wrote:
> Xah Lee wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> The first two has glaring problems. I'm sorry i forgot what they
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> are.
> ^^^^
> [snip]
>
> How can you complain about *Mail::Mailer* and *Mail::Send* when you
> don't even know what they are?
>
You know, I started to make fun of that, but then decided there was
nothing I could say that it doesn't say for itself.
--
Christopher Mattern
"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
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Date: 30 Jan 2005 03:04:35 -0800
From: rs.pai@sbi.co.in (Rajendra Pai)
Subject: Error in command line
Message-Id: <33b0685e.0501300304.3ad5ec53@posting.google.com>
Hi,
I have ActivePerl installed in a Windows XP Machine.
When I type the following line at the command prompt (this is just an
example):
perl -le 'print "PRIME" if (1 x shift) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/' 19
the response I get is:
Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at -e line 1.
(I am getting similar error messages for 'perl -lane' type of commands
also. The example shown above is taken from a tutorial)
I am not able to figure out what is wrong. I have tried doing both web
and group searches in google. Please help me. I am a newbie and maybe
missing something very obvious.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Regards,
Rajendra
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:17:48 +0100
From: Martin Kissner <news@chaos-net.de>
Subject: Re: Error in command line
Message-Id: <slrncvpgis.cp1.news@maki.homeunix.net>
Rajendra Pai wrote :
> Hi,
>
> I have ActivePerl installed in a Windows XP Machine.
>
> When I type the following line at the command prompt (this is just an
> example):
> perl -le 'print "PRIME" if (1 x shift) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/' 19
> the response I get is:
> Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at -e line 1.
On my computer the above line prints 'PRIME' and exits with no error.
However, I can not imagine what the trailing '19' is for.
Martin
--
perl -e 'print 7.74.117.115.116.11.32.13.97.110.111.116.104.101.114.11
.32.13.112.101.114.108.11.32.13.104.97.99.107.101.114.10.7'
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:13:11 +0100
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: Error in command line
Message-Id: <363u60F4rt4j6U1@individual.net>
Rajendra Pai wrote:
> I have ActivePerl installed in a Windows XP Machine.
>
> When I type the following line at the command prompt (this is just an
> example):
> perl -le 'print "PRIME" if (1 x shift) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/' 19
> the response I get is:
> Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at -e line 1.
Use double-quotes on Windows.
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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Date: 30 Jan 2005 06:08:58 -0800
From: "jl_post@hotmail.com" <jl_post@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: getting {string} from \${string}
Message-Id: <1107094138.531125.289740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Joe Smith wrote:
>
> No, you will not!
>
> You'll see the output
> $wow =
> $var =
> because variables declared with my() are not visible outside
> there scope.
Aargh! You're right!
> Did you even try running the code you posted?
Yes, but I tried it inside the perl interactive intepreter ("perl
-de 1"), which I use a lot to test out various snippets of code. It
gets a little tricky handling code in there, because variables declared
with "my" go out of scope as soon as the command is completed (since
each line is technically its own block).
So I did run that code, but not with "my" (I added that in as an
afterthought so that my post would be consistent with "use strict").
Unfortunately, modifying my code wasn't as harmless as I thought.
Fortunately, other newsgroup posters (like you) pointed out my
error. Thanks for that.
-- Jean-Luc
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:19:38 +0100
From: "Seansan" <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Subject: Just wondering - variables in html templates
Message-Id: <41fcc376$0$28977$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Hi,
A lot of programs/scripts use templates with different variable
strings/identifiers that are replaced by calculated values from the program.
In my perl scripts I use @@VAR1@@ and s///i to search and replace these
vars. (example= $tmp =~ s/\@\@STARTURL\@\@/$STARTURL/g; tmp holds the
template). I found that PHP even has some kind of standard (much like
@@VAR@@).
- Is there a module/library that one has heard of on this topic?
- Does a standard exist for perl?
- Simple search and replace is one thing, but what about select lists, or
whole tables (rows). The goal is to have as little formatting in the perl
code as possible!!
As I said, just wondering if there is a better way to do this ...
Grtzz, Seansan
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:33:04 -0500
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates
Message-Id: <R6qdnaxL_59tWGHcRVn-hQ@adelphia.com>
Seansan wrote:
> A lot of programs/scripts use templates
...
> - Is there a module/library that one has heard of on this topic?
There are dozens of them. Is there a reason you didn't go to <http:/
search.cpan.org> and search for "template" before asking this?
sherm--
--
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:34:53 +0100
From: "Seansan" <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates
Message-Id: <41fcc709$0$28980$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
I'm just asking for best practice .... As you said "There are dozens of
them". Furthermore my preference is a standard/bp instead of a whole module
to load for a simple opportunity.
Seansan
-------
There was a time one could 'just' ask a question in a newsgroup
"Sherm Pendley" <spamtrap@dot-app.org> wrote in message
news:R6qdnaxL_59tWGHcRVn-hQ@adelphia.com...
> Seansan wrote:
>
>> A lot of programs/scripts use templates
> ...
>> - Is there a module/library that one has heard of on this topic?
>
> There are dozens of them. Is there a reason you didn't go to <http:/
> search.cpan.org> and search for "template" before asking this?
>
> sherm--
>
> --
> Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
> Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:56:20 -0500
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates
Message-Id: <8--dnU27xpjoRGHcRVn-rg@adelphia.com>
Seansan wrote:
Backwards. Please don't do that. Replies belong below the text you're
replying to, not above it. Have you read the posting guidelines that appear
here twice a week?
> I'm just asking for best practice
No you didn't. You asked if there were any.
Best practice is to have a look at the various modules that are available,
and decide for yourself what one is best for *you*. Opinions and coding
styles vary - that's why there are so many templating modules to begin
with.
> Furthermore my preference is a standard/bp instead of a whole
> module to load for a simple opportunity.
Using a module *is* the standard for Perl programming. Even if you wind up
writing your own solution, you'll still put it in a module so your scripts
can all use it.
> There was a time one could 'just' ask a question in a newsgroup
Spare me. If you'd put *any* effort into doing the most basic searching for
yourself, I wouldn't have snapped at you. You got yelled at for being lazy,
not for "just" asking a question.
sherm--
--
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:53:29 +0100
From: "Seansan" <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates
Message-Id: <41fcf599$0$28979$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Sherm start a hobby
"Sherm Pendley" <spamtrap@dot-app.org> wrote in message
news:8--dnU27xpjoRGHcRVn-rg@adelphia.com...
> Seansan wrote:
>
> Backwards. Please don't do that. Replies belong below the text you're
> replying to, not above it. Have you read the posting guidelines that
> appear
> here twice a week?
>
>> I'm just asking for best practice
>
> No you didn't. You asked if there were any.
>
> Best practice is to have a look at the various modules that are available,
> and decide for yourself what one is best for *you*. Opinions and coding
> styles vary - that's why there are so many templating modules to begin
> with.
>
>> Furthermore my preference is a standard/bp instead of a whole
>> module to load for a simple opportunity.
>
> Using a module *is* the standard for Perl programming. Even if you wind up
> writing your own solution, you'll still put it in a module so your scripts
> can all use it.
>
>> There was a time one could 'just' ask a question in a newsgroup
>
> Spare me. If you'd put *any* effort into doing the most basic searching
> for
> yourself, I wouldn't have snapped at you. You got yelled at for being
> lazy,
> not for "just" asking a question.
>
> sherm--
>
> --
> Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
> Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:30:37 -0500
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Just wondering - variables in html templates
Message-Id: <7I6dneP5k8sAYGHcRVn-vg@adelphia.com>
Seansan wrote:
> Sherm start a hobby
I have several already, thank you. How does that relate to Perl?
sherm--
--
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:20:16 GMT
From: Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Subject: Re: Perl loops should use break, not last
Message-Id: <lny8ebl1dc.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
gargoyle <gargoyle@no.spam> writes:
> On 2005-01-29, Matija Papec <perl@my-header.org> wrote:
>> I'm guessing, "last" was picked because it's short and it sounds good along
>> with "next". Further, "break" could blur things for C people as his
>> "continue" friend is already used for something else.
>
> One thing from C that'd be really useful is to do away with the required
> braces in one-line if/then/else blocks, like this:
>
> if ($foo)
> func1($foo);
> elsif ($bar)
> func2($bar, $z);
> else
> return;
Please, no. One of the things I like best about Perl is that the
braces are required; I find it far more consistent than requiring them
only if there happens to be more than one statement.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.
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Date: 30 Jan 2005 10:45:11 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: Perl loops should use break, not last
Message-Id: <ctidrn$1a8$1@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>
<xhoster@gmail.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid> wrote:
> > "Jeremy Morton" <ask@me.com> wrote
[...]
> > > 'last' makes it sound like the current loop will be the last,
^^^^
s/loop/iteration/
> > Your terminology is odd. How can the current loop be the last?
>
> By not executing another time.
>
> > How could
> > a statement in one loop affect whether or not other loops are excuted?
>
> By doing a bunch of machine level crap behind the scenes, just the same
> way that everything in a high-level language does everything.
The OP failed to distinguish a loop (the entire compound statement)
from its iterations (each pass through the body). That made the
meaning less than clear.
Anno
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:35:01 +0100
From: Matija Papec <perl@my-header.org>
Subject: Re: Perl loops should use break, not last
Message-Id: <5tfpv0dm7nnvqe5u97l9in98qf9r4vpq2l@4ax.com>
X-Ftn-To: Jeremy Morton
"Jeremy Morton" <ask@me.com> wrote:
>>> immediately, whereas break makes it sound like the latter.
>>
>> I'm guessing, "last" was picked because it's short and it sounds good
>> along with "next".
>
>That's a good reason to choose a keyword, because it 'sounds good'? Heh.
>It doesn't make semantic sense, and that's far more important IMHO.
Perhaps I'm too long with this language but "last" makes good semantic
sense; this is from perldoc
last The "last" command is like the "break" statement in C (as used
in loops); it immediately exits the loop in question...
LINE: while (<STDIN>) {
last LINE if /^$/; # exit when done with header
#...
}
You can think of it as "current element is the last one"
>> Further, "break" could blur things for C people as
>> his "continue" friend is already used for something else.
>
>Yes, I don't quite understand why 'continue' is used the way it is,
>either... that doesn't make much sense. However i'd still rather have
>'break' meaning what it does in most other languages i've come across. You
I know this feeling but it isn't nearly frustrating as missing some language
feature (hint: perl like array/hash slices, or anonymous functions in say,
php? :))
--
Matija
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:35:02 +0100
From: Matija Papec <perl@my-header.org>
Subject: Re: Perl loops should use break, not last
Message-Id: <40gpv05s3b8j3bpe0hfcqgffh5905l95cr@4ax.com>
X-Ftn-To: gargoyle
gargoyle <gargoyle@no.spam> wrote:
>One thing from C that'd be really useful is to do away with the required
>braces in one-line if/then/else blocks, like this:
>
>if ($foo)
> func1($foo);
>elsif ($bar)
> func2($bar, $z);
>else
> return;
>
>I don't know if somebody already suggested this for Perl 6, but I think
>it'd be a nice improvement. That and a real switch statement. :-)
afaik, you're very close as switch statement should go in perl6 core, but
for conditions they will lose only _round_ braces. ;)
--
Matija
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:35:03 +0100
From: Matija Papec <perl@my-header.org>
Subject: Re: Perl loops should use break, not last
Message-Id: <t8gpv0tokb5cl7j3f04pdvqut7q1e1d4fh@4ax.com>
X-Ftn-To: Abigail
Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl> wrote:
>;; with "next". Further, "break" could blur things for C people as his
>;; "continue" friend is already used for something else.
>
>One of the reasons why the three loop control constructs are named
>'last', 'redo' and 'next' is that they are all the same length.
>
>One of the reasons 'last' isn't called 'break' is that 'last' isn't
>the same as 'break'. 'break' breaks the current loop - while 'last'
>takes an optional argument, indicating the top level loop that will
>be exited.
Yes, but why should perl break behave completely same as C break?
Such way of thinking isn't applied to || and && operators which behave as in
C but are somehow extended in their behavior. :)
--
Matija
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:36:21 -0800
From: Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com>
Subject: Re: Perl loops should use break, not last
Message-Id: <zd-dnZwu8_9bSWHcRVn-oA@comcast.com>
gargoyle wrote:
> One thing from C that'd be really useful is to do away with the required
> braces in one-line if/then/else blocks, like this:
One thing that is good about Perl is that it does not have
the ambiguity of braceless one-line then/else blocks.
I would not want to see that change.
-Joe
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:09:05 +0100
From: "Seansan" <sheukels=cuthere=@yahooo.co.uk>
Subject: sorting ascedning and descending
Message-Id: <41fcb2ee$0$28979$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Joe,
thx for your help. The only way to do this is to duplicate the keys list
into an array? This doesnt seem smart for long lists. But it works! thx
Seansan
repost:
Seansan wrote:
> my $x=1;
> if ($FORM{SORT} eq 'date') {$x=0;}
> elsif ($FORM{SORT} eq 'email') {$x=5;}
> elsif ($FORM{SORT} eq 'group') {$x=9;}
> elsif ($FORM{SORT} eq 'url') {$x=4;}
my %fields = (date=>1, email=>5, group=>9, url=>4, default=>1);
my $x = defined $fields{$FORM{SORT}} ?
$fields{$FORM{SORT}} : $fields{default};
> foreach (sort{$LIST{$a}[$x] cmp $LIST{$b}[$x];} keys(%LIST)) {
sub ascending { $LIST{$a}[$x] cmp $LIST{$b}[$x] }
sub descending { $LIST{$b}[$x] cmp $LIST{$b}[$x] }
my @keys = $FORM{DOWN} ?
sort descending keys %LIST :
sort ascending keys %list ;
-Joe
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:35:40 -0500
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: sorting ascedning and descending
Message-Id: <R6qdna9L_58RW2HcRVn-hQ@adelphia.com>
Seansan wrote:
> thx for your help.
Help on what? Who's Joe? If you're posting a reply, post a reply - don't
start a new thread for it.
Have you read the posting guidelines that appear here twice a week?
sherm--
--
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
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Date: 30 Jan 2005 15:30:45 +0100
From: Pascal Bourguignon <spam@mouse-potato.com>
Subject: Re: what's OOP's jargons and complexities?
Message-Id: <873bwjj8fe.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com>
"Larry" <larry_wallet@yahoo.com> writes:
> Xah Lee wrote:
> > in computer languages, often a function definition looks like this:
>
> > xah@xahlee.org
> > http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html
>
> Your ideas are original, insightful and simply reflect incredibly deep
> creative genius. I have read your work and I want to hire you for
> highly classified work in software design and philosophical writing.
> Would you possibly be available to meet with me in my secret mountain
> compound to discuss terms?
>
> Larry
You forgot to mention the coordinates of your secret mountain compound:
28 deg 5 min N, 86 deg 58 min E
--
__Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
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on the button. Nobody's perfect. VOTE FOR NOBODY.
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#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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