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Today's topics:
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <albalmer@att.net>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <albalmer@att.net>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <wyrmwif@tango-sierra-oscar-foxtrot-tango.fake.org>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <spam@nimblegen.com>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <spam@nimblegen.com>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <spam@nimblegen.com>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Re: Xah Lee's Unixism <kkt@drizzle.com>
XMLout() output causes "not well-formed (invalid token) (pt)
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:34:26 -0700
From: Alan Balmer <albalmer@att.net>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <s0utk01omk8aipn7vclocmdgokfu66bu2g@4ax.com>
On 17 Sep 2004 23:10:27 -0700, Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com>
wrote:
>Alan Balmer <albalmer@att.net> writes:
>
>> On 14 Sep 2004 10:15:27 -0700, Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Chuck Dillon <spam@nimblegen.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> Coby Beck wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>And, of course, entertaining the possibility that his agenda is just
>> >> >>what he says it is, is completely out of the question.
>> >> > Not out of the question, be obviously untrue.
>> >>
>> >> Again, I'll point out that it is naive to put this entirely on the
>> >> administration. We're in Iraq because we effectively declared
>> >> war. The dance with the U.N. went on for some 3 months. It was clear
>> >> where we were headed. Our congress, including Kerry and all of the
>> > ^^^
>> >Not all. I'm happy to say my representative and one of my senators
>> >voted against the resolution authorizing the war.
>> >
>> >Congress doesn't have its own intelligence service. If the
>> >administration claims to have clear evidence that a country has WMD
>> >there's only so much that a minority party in congress can do to find
>> >out if the administration is lying or engaged in wishful thinking.
>>
>> http://intelligence.house.gov/
>> http://intelligence.senate.gov/
>
>They have committees, they don't have independent
>intelligence-gathering ability.
>
Neither does President Bush - he doesn't have time for all those field
trips. That's why he gets reports from the various intelligence
agencies, who also report to the Congressional intelligence
committees.
--
Al Balmer
Balmer Consulting
removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:07:50 GMT
From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <414F156C.7C28AEFB@yahoo.com>
Alan Balmer wrote:
> Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
... snip ...
>>
>> They have committees, they don't have independent
>> intelligence-gathering ability.
>
> Neither does President Bush - he doesn't have time for all
> those field trips. That's why he gets reports from the various
> intelligence agencies, who also report to the Congressional
> intelligence committees.
Then why does he ignore them, as evidenced by his non-response to
the July report on the future of Iraq, which was kept secret until
a few days ago?
--
"It is not a question of staying the course, but of changing
the course" - John Kerry, 2004-09-20
"Ask any boat owner the eventual result of continuing the
present course indefinitely" - C.B. Falconer, 2004-09-20
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:27:00 -0700
From: Alan Balmer <albalmer@att.net>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <b4muk05q23ani8ihtjlt242cnrq4h3htve@4ax.com>
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:07:50 GMT, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Alan Balmer wrote:
>> Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>
>... snip ...
>>>
>>> They have committees, they don't have independent
>>> intelligence-gathering ability.
>>
>> Neither does President Bush - he doesn't have time for all
>> those field trips. That's why he gets reports from the various
>> intelligence agencies, who also report to the Congressional
>> intelligence committees.
>
>Then why does he ignore them, as evidenced by his non-response to
>the July report on the future of Iraq, which was kept secret until
>a few days ago?
Have you read the report?
By "ignore them", I presume you mean that his reaction to them wasn't
the same as yours would have been.
--
Al Balmer
Balmer Consulting
removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:44:20 -0000
From: SM Ryan <wyrmwif@tango-sierra-oscar-foxtrot-tango.fake.org>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <10kvqf4sr02fia0@corp.supernews.com>
# >They have committees, they don't have independent
# >intelligence-gathering ability.
# >
# Neither does President Bush - he doesn't have time for all those field
# trips. That's why he gets reports from the various intelligence
# agencies, who also report to the Congressional intelligence
# committees.
You're right. He is the Excuses president.
In case you missed reading the Constitution in school, briefly, the CIA,
the DoD and its intelligence staffs, the State Department and its intelligence
staffs, the FBI, DoJ, BATF, etc etc etc etc are all part of the executive
branch. The only elected officer of the executive branch, from whom all other
executive officers draw their authority, is the President.
In short, ding dong, the President _does_ have independent intelligence
gatherring ability. It's called the executive branch, and it's at his
beck and call for all legal orders. It's that commander in chief bit.
--
SM Ryan http://www.rawbw.com/~wyrmwif/
I have no respect for people with no shopping agenda.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:33:37 -0500
From: Chuck Dillon <spam@nimblegen.com>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <cipaid$jb6$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>
CBFalconer wrote:
> Alan Balmer wrote:
>
>>Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>
>
> ... snip ...
>
>>>They have committees, they don't have independent
>>>intelligence-gathering ability.
>>
>>Neither does President Bush - he doesn't have time for all
>>those field trips. That's why he gets reports from the various
>>intelligence agencies, who also report to the Congressional
>>intelligence committees.
>
>
> Then why does he ignore them, as evidenced by his non-response to
> the July report on the future of Iraq, which was kept secret until
> a few days ago?
>
You have no basis from which to judge how or whether there was a
response. Just because you're not in the loop doesn't mean there is no
loop.
-- ced
--
Chuck Dillon
Senior Software Engineer
NimbleGen Systems Inc.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:38:00 -0500
From: Chuck Dillon <spam@nimblegen.com>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <cipaqk$jfo$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>
SM Ryan wrote:
>
>
> In short, ding dong, the President _does_ have independent intelligence
> gatherring ability. It's called the executive branch, and it's at his
> beck and call for all legal orders. It's that commander in chief bit.
>
You missed the part of the constitution that speaks of checks and
balances. By definition the 3 branches are co-dependent.
Administration and oversight of our intelligence systems/agencies have
been pretty sophisticated for a long time. Are you suggesting that
somehow this administration has completely restructured it in just 3.5
years and somehow undermined the oversight authority of the congress?
If, so you have a very high opinion of the abilities of this
administration. I assume you think Tony Blair accomplished the same
thing in the U.K...
-- ced
--
Chuck Dillon
Senior Software Engineer
NimbleGen Systems Inc.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:43 GMT
From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <41504292.C2BE622D@yahoo.com>
Chuck Dillon wrote:
> CBFalconer wrote:
>
... snip ...
>>
>> Then why does he ignore them, as evidenced by his non-response to
>> the July report on the future of Iraq, which was kept secret until
>> a few days ago?
>
> You have no basis from which to judge how or whether there was a
> response. Just because you're not in the loop doesn't mean there
> is no loop.
On the contrary, I have a basis. GWB has continued to bray about
"staying the course" since the report was available to him.
--
"It is not a question of staying the course, but of changing
the course" - John Kerry, 2004-09-20
"Ask any boat owner the eventual result of continuing the
present course indefinitely" - C.B. Falconer, 2004-09-20
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:39:43 -0500
From: Chuck Dillon <spam@nimblegen.com>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <ciq00m$op6$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>
CBFalconer wrote:
> Chuck Dillon wrote:
>
>>CBFalconer wrote:
>>
>
> ... snip ...
>
>>>Then why does he ignore them, as evidenced by his non-response to
>>>the July report on the future of Iraq, which was kept secret until
>>>a few days ago?
>>
>>You have no basis from which to judge how or whether there was a
>>response. Just because you're not in the loop doesn't mean there
>>is no loop.
>
>
> On the contrary, I have a basis. GWB has continued to bray about
> "staying the course" since the report was available to him.
>
Which of course is a basis of nothing.
It appears you consider reports from intelligence reliable enough for
the administration to take action with a sense of urgency. So you must
support actions taken last year based on similar intelligence right?
You also seem to support delegating control to whomever writes a
sufficiently gloomy report.
-- ced
--
Chuck Dillon
Senior Software Engineer
NimbleGen Systems Inc.
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Date: 21 Sep 04 10:31:16 -0800
From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <1036.760T805T6313666@kltpzyxm.invalid>
In article <cipaqk$jfo$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, spam@nimblegen.com
(Chuck Dillon) writes:
>SM Ryan wrote:
>
>> In short, ding dong, the President _does_ have independent
>> intelligence gatherring ability. It's called the executive
>> branch, and it's at his beck and call for all legal orders.
>> It's that commander in chief bit.
>
>You missed the part of the constitution that speaks of checks and
>balances. By definition the 3 branches are co-dependent.
GWB's conduct during the recent gay marriage flap was enough to
convince me of just how much of a pain in the ass he considers an
independent judiciary to be. Considering that a couple of Supreme
Court judges are delaying their retirement just to try to fend him
off a little longer, I'd say that some of the judiciary agree.
--
/~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
\ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855.
/ \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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Date: 21 Sep 2004 17:15:57 -0700
From: Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com>
Subject: Re: Xah Lee's Unixism
Message-Id: <tqmk6unxio2.fsf@drizzle.com>
Alan Balmer <albalmer@att.net> writes:
> On 17 Sep 2004 23:10:27 -0700, Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Alan Balmer <albalmer@att.net> writes:
> >
> >> On 14 Sep 2004 10:15:27 -0700, Patrick Scheible <kkt@drizzle.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Chuck Dillon <spam@nimblegen.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> Coby Beck wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>And, of course, entertaining the possibility that his agenda is just
> >> >> >>what he says it is, is completely out of the question.
> >> >> > Not out of the question, be obviously untrue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Again, I'll point out that it is naive to put this entirely on the
> >> >> administration. We're in Iraq because we effectively declared
> >> >> war. The dance with the U.N. went on for some 3 months. It was clear
> >> >> where we were headed. Our congress, including Kerry and all of the
> >> > ^^^
> >> >Not all. I'm happy to say my representative and one of my senators
> >> >voted against the resolution authorizing the war.
> >> >
> >> >Congress doesn't have its own intelligence service. If the
> >> >administration claims to have clear evidence that a country has WMD
> >> >there's only so much that a minority party in congress can do to find
> >> >out if the administration is lying or engaged in wishful thinking.
> >>
> >> http://intelligence.house.gov/
> >> http://intelligence.senate.gov/
> >
> >They have committees, they don't have independent
> >intelligence-gathering ability.
> >
> Neither does President Bush - he doesn't have time for all those field
> trips. That's why he gets reports from the various intelligence
> agencies, who also report to the Congressional intelligence
> committees.
The intelligence goes from the analysts to administration appointees,
who filter out what they don't want to hear and pass the remainder on
to POTUS and Congress.
-- Patrick
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Date: 21 Sep 2004 17:51:49 -0700
From: mnemotronic@yahoo.com (pt)
Subject: XMLout() output causes "not well-formed (invalid token)" in XMLin()
Message-Id: <da662010.0409211651.7f53ff20@posting.google.com>
use XML::Simple;
# %List is a hash of hashes.
# Key is an IP number (stored as string, not v-string)
XMLout(\%List, OutputFile => $Fname) or die "XMLout : $Fname" ;
produces:
<opt>
<211.57.214.74 ProbeCount="1" LastProbe="1092087541" />
<204.251.212.93 ProbeCount="1" LastProbe="1095511410" />
<210.40.224.10 ProbeCount="1" LastProbe="1090939270" />
<159.226.50.10 ProbeCount="2" LastProbe="1093911681" />
<213.114.91.47 ProbeCount="1" LastProbe="1093988795" />
...etc...
</opt>
Reading it back in with:
my $HRef = XMLin($Fname) or die "XMLin : $Fname" ;
returns this error:
Uncaught exception from user code:
not well-formed (invalid token) at line 2, column 3, byte 9 at
C:/Program Files/ActiveState/Perl/site/lib/XML/Parser.pm line 187
XML::Parser::parse('XML::Parser=HASH(0x1b64be8)','*XML::Simple::XML_FILE')
called at C:/Program Files/ActiveState/Perl/site/lib/XML/Simple.pm
line 334
[snip]
I'm guessing it's because my hash key looks like a number, but I can't
find an option to have it quoted during XMLout().
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