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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 16 Aug 2004 Volume: 10 Number: 6870
Today's topics:
Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
Re: testing without shell access <t_lawetta@yahoo.com>
Re: testing without shell access <patrice.auffret@intranode.com>
who has the perl document (chm version ) <hugoyg@163.com>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:58:14 -0000
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <10i1br6n82b7pc2@corp.supernews.com>
Following is a summary of articles spanning a 7 day period,
beginning at 09 Aug 2004 13:04:02 GMT and ending at
16 Aug 2004 11:53:32 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" email address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 2004 Greg Bacon.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Excluded Posters
================
perlfaq-suggestions\@(?:.*\.)?perl\.com
faq\@(?:.*\.)?denver\.pm\.org
comdog\@panix\.com
Totals
======
Posters: 144
Articles: 480 (177 with cutlined signatures)
Threads: 90
Volume generated: 941.0 kb
- headers: 450.2 kb (8,120 lines)
- bodies: 468.6 kb (15,554 lines)
- original: 287.6 kb (10,036 lines)
- signatures: 21.8 kb (546 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.614
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 3.3
median: 2.0 posts
mode: 1 post - 64 posters
s: 4.9 posts
Posts per thread: 5.3
median: 4.0 posts
mode: 2 posts - 20 threads
s: 6.5 posts
Message size: 2007.5 bytes
- header: 960.4 bytes (16.9 lines)
- body: 999.7 bytes (32.4 lines)
- original: 613.5 bytes (20.9 lines)
- signature: 46.5 bytes (1.1 lines)
Top 20 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
32 94.8 ( 37.0/ 53.6/ 44.0) tadmc@augustmail.com
32 47.8 ( 27.2/ 18.5/ 7.5) Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
21 38.1 ( 15.8/ 22.4/ 10.6) Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
17 37.2 ( 18.0/ 19.0/ 11.0) Sandman <mr@sandman.net>
15 28.9 ( 15.9/ 13.0/ 6.2) "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
14 24.9 ( 14.6/ 10.2/ 6.0) Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
12 38.2 ( 9.3/ 27.0/ 23.4) Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
12 27.2 ( 13.7/ 13.5/ 7.4) Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
10 17.3 ( 9.6/ 7.6/ 3.7) "gnari" <gnari@simnet.is>
8 10.7 ( 5.3/ 5.4/ 1.8) me@example.com
7 11.7 ( 6.6/ 5.2/ 2.7) "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
7 16.5 ( 8.7/ 7.1/ 2.8) "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
7 14.3 ( 6.4/ 7.9/ 2.3) Abhinav <matrix_calling@yahoo.dot.com>
7 17.0 ( 9.5/ 6.9/ 4.7) "Brian Kell" <abodeman@yahoo.com>
7 11.9 ( 8.0/ 3.9/ 2.5) "Mark" <admin@asarian-host.net>
6 14.6 ( 7.9/ 6.8/ 2.4) ChrisO <ceo@nospam.on.net>
6 10.0 ( 4.8/ 5.3/ 3.3) Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan <pinyaj@rpi.edu>
6 12.1 ( 6.0/ 5.1/ 4.8) abigail@abigail.nl
6 15.3 ( 7.9/ 7.4/ 3.3) Jim Gibson <jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
6 9.2 ( 5.9/ 3.2/ 0.8) "Bernard El-Hagin" <bernard.el-haginDODGE_THIS@lido-tech.net>
These posters accounted for 49.6% of all articles.
Top 20 Posters by Number of Followups
=====================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Followups Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
--------- -------------------------- -------
32 47.8 ( 27.2/ 18.5/ 7.5) Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
30 94.8 ( 37.0/ 53.6/ 44.0) tadmc@augustmail.com
21 38.1 ( 15.8/ 22.4/ 10.6) Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
15 37.2 ( 18.0/ 19.0/ 11.0) Sandman <mr@sandman.net>
15 28.9 ( 15.9/ 13.0/ 6.2) "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
13 24.9 ( 14.6/ 10.2/ 6.0) Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
12 27.2 ( 13.7/ 13.5/ 7.4) Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
10 38.2 ( 9.3/ 27.0/ 23.4) Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
10 17.3 ( 9.6/ 7.6/ 3.7) "gnari" <gnari@simnet.is>
7 10.7 ( 5.3/ 5.4/ 1.8) me@example.com
7 16.5 ( 8.7/ 7.1/ 2.8) "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
7 17.0 ( 9.5/ 6.9/ 4.7) "Brian Kell" <abodeman@yahoo.com>
7 11.7 ( 6.6/ 5.2/ 2.7) "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
6 10.0 ( 4.8/ 5.3/ 3.3) Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan <pinyaj@rpi.edu>
6 9.2 ( 5.9/ 3.2/ 0.8) "Bernard El-Hagin" <bernard.el-haginDODGE_THIS@lido-tech.net>
6 12.1 ( 6.0/ 5.1/ 4.8) abigail@abigail.nl
6 15.3 ( 7.9/ 7.4/ 3.3) Jim Gibson <jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
6 14.3 ( 6.4/ 7.9/ 2.3) Abhinav <matrix_calling@yahoo.dot.com>
5 7.8 ( 4.0/ 3.1/ 1.4) Tore Aursand <tore@aursand.no>
5 12.7 ( 6.0/ 3.2/ 0.8) Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
These posters accounted for 54.9% of all followups.
Top 20 Posters by Volume
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(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
94.8 ( 37.0/ 53.6/ 44.0) 32 tadmc@augustmail.com
47.8 ( 27.2/ 18.5/ 7.5) 32 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
38.2 ( 9.3/ 27.0/ 23.4) 12 Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
38.1 ( 15.8/ 22.4/ 10.6) 21 Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
37.2 ( 18.0/ 19.0/ 11.0) 17 Sandman <mr@sandman.net>
28.9 ( 15.9/ 13.0/ 6.2) 15 "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
27.2 ( 13.7/ 13.5/ 7.4) 12 Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
24.9 ( 14.6/ 10.2/ 6.0) 14 Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
17.3 ( 9.6/ 7.6/ 3.7) 10 "gnari" <gnari@simnet.is>
17.0 ( 9.5/ 6.9/ 4.7) 7 "Brian Kell" <abodeman@yahoo.com>
16.5 ( 8.7/ 7.1/ 2.8) 7 "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
15.3 ( 7.9/ 7.4/ 3.3) 6 Jim Gibson <jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
14.6 ( 7.9/ 6.8/ 2.4) 6 ChrisO <ceo@nospam.on.net>
14.3 ( 6.4/ 7.9/ 2.3) 7 Abhinav <matrix_calling@yahoo.dot.com>
14.3 ( 1.3/ 13.0/ 13.0) 1 "edgrsprj" <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
12.7 ( 6.0/ 3.2/ 0.8) 5 Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
12.6 ( 2.3/ 10.2/ 10.0) 3 David Filmer <IneverReadAnythingSentToMe@hotmail.com>
12.1 ( 6.0/ 5.1/ 4.8) 6 abigail@abigail.nl
11.9 ( 8.0/ 3.9/ 2.5) 7 "Mark" <admin@asarian-host.net>
11.7 ( 6.6/ 5.2/ 2.7) 7 "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
These posters accounted for 53.9% of the total volume.
Top 9 Posters by Volume of Original Content (min. ten posts)
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(kb)
Posts orig Address
----- ----- -------
32 44.0 tadmc@augustmail.com
12 23.4 Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
17 11.0 Sandman <mr@sandman.net>
21 10.6 Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
32 7.5 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
12 7.4 Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
15 6.2 "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
14 6.0 Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
10 3.7 "gnari" <gnari@simnet.is>
These posters accounted for 41.7% of the original volume.
Top 9 Posters by OCR (minimum of ten posts)
===========================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.866 ( 23.4 / 27.0) 12 Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
0.821 ( 44.0 / 53.6) 32 tadmc@augustmail.com
0.590 ( 6.0 / 10.2) 14 Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
0.579 ( 11.0 / 19.0) 17 Sandman <mr@sandman.net>
0.546 ( 7.4 / 13.5) 12 Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
0.487 ( 3.7 / 7.6) 10 "gnari" <gnari@simnet.is>
0.479 ( 6.2 / 13.0) 15 "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
0.476 ( 10.6 / 22.4) 21 Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
0.403 ( 7.5 / 18.5) 32 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Bottom 9 Posters by OCR (minimum of ten posts)
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(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.866 ( 23.4 / 27.0) 12 Greg Bacon <gbacon@hiwaay.net>
0.821 ( 44.0 / 53.6) 32 tadmc@augustmail.com
0.590 ( 6.0 / 10.2) 14 Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
0.579 ( 11.0 / 19.0) 17 Sandman <mr@sandman.net>
0.546 ( 7.4 / 13.5) 12 Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
0.487 ( 3.7 / 7.6) 10 "gnari" <gnari@simnet.is>
0.479 ( 6.2 / 13.0) 15 "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
0.476 ( 10.6 / 22.4) 21 Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
0.403 ( 7.5 / 18.5) 32 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
9 posters (6%) had at least ten posts.
Top 20 Threads by Number of Posts
=================================
Posts Subject
----- -------
30 Perl PDF modules - help please
22 split inconsistency- why?
21 Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
21 Counting text area
20 Reading next line, finding missing number in sequence
17 Good way to un-chomp an array
16 Expression Problem
15 My own handy Pocket Reference notes (please share your own also)
15 testing without shell access
11 Reset <> without having it fail once?
11 Joining 2 strings
10 Validating email addresses
10 passing param('something') through a function
10 News::Scan question
10 favorite perl IDE
9 Perl - Parse UNC Path in a string variable
8 chmod for directories
8 howto convert a *nix DB_File to windows?
8 data comprised of regexs (while loop weirdness)
7 Can somebody explain?
These threads accounted for 58.1% of all articles.
Top 20 Threads by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Subject
-------------------------- ----- -------
54.8 ( 23.2/ 30.8/ 21.6) 21 Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
54.2 ( 31.6/ 18.1/ 8.2) 30 Perl PDF modules - help please
47.4 ( 21.5/ 24.7/ 12.2) 22 split inconsistency- why?
41.2 ( 22.0/ 18.2/ 10.5) 20 Reading next line, finding missing number in sequence
35.2 ( 19.1/ 15.4/ 6.3) 21 Counting text area
34.2 ( 1.9/ 32.3/ 32.3) 2 Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.5 $)
33.8 ( 14.0/ 18.8/ 13.9) 15 My own handy Pocket Reference notes (please share your own also)
28.2 ( 15.7/ 11.8/ 6.2) 17 Good way to un-chomp an array
26.3 ( 15.0/ 10.4/ 6.1) 15 testing without shell access
23.2 ( 5.4/ 17.7/ 9.4) 7 Can somebody explain?
23.1 ( 14.1/ 8.6/ 2.9) 16 Expression Problem
22.7 ( 11.7/ 10.7/ 7.7) 11 Joining 2 strings
22.3 ( 9.1/ 12.3/ 7.7) 11 Reset <> without having it fail once?
19.9 ( 9.3/ 9.8/ 6.2) 10 News::Scan question
17.8 ( 9.5/ 8.1/ 3.8) 10 Validating email addresses
17.1 ( 9.0/ 7.7/ 4.4) 9 Perl - Parse UNC Path in a string variable
14.5 ( 7.1/ 6.7/ 4.4) 8 data comprised of regexs (while loop weirdness)
14.3 ( 1.3/ 13.0/ 13.0) 1 Earthquake forecasting program Aug. 16, 2004
14.2 ( 8.4/ 5.8/ 3.0) 10 passing param('something') through a function
13.0 ( 9.5/ 2.7/ 1.5) 10 favorite perl IDE
These threads accounted for 59.2% of the total volume.
Top 15 Threads by OCR (minimum of ten posts)
============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.739 ( 13.9/ 18.8) 15 My own handy Pocket Reference notes (please share your own also)
0.714 ( 7.7/ 10.7) 11 Joining 2 strings
0.701 ( 21.6/ 30.8) 21 Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
0.635 ( 6.2/ 9.8) 10 News::Scan question
0.620 ( 7.7/ 12.3) 11 Reset <> without having it fail once?
0.591 ( 6.1/ 10.4) 15 testing without shell access
0.577 ( 10.5/ 18.2) 20 Reading next line, finding missing number in sequence
0.568 ( 1.5/ 2.7) 10 favorite perl IDE
0.528 ( 6.2/ 11.8) 17 Good way to un-chomp an array
0.522 ( 3.0/ 5.8) 10 passing param('something') through a function
0.493 ( 12.2/ 24.7) 22 split inconsistency- why?
0.468 ( 3.8/ 8.1) 10 Validating email addresses
0.453 ( 8.2/ 18.1) 30 Perl PDF modules - help please
0.413 ( 6.3/ 15.4) 21 Counting text area
0.338 ( 2.9/ 8.6) 16 Expression Problem
Bottom 15 Threads by OCR (minimum of ten posts)
===============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.739 ( 13.9 / 18.8) 15 My own handy Pocket Reference notes (please share your own also)
0.714 ( 7.7 / 10.7) 11 Joining 2 strings
0.701 ( 21.6 / 30.8) 21 Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
0.635 ( 6.2 / 9.8) 10 News::Scan question
0.620 ( 7.7 / 12.3) 11 Reset <> without having it fail once?
0.591 ( 6.1 / 10.4) 15 testing without shell access
0.577 ( 10.5 / 18.2) 20 Reading next line, finding missing number in sequence
0.568 ( 1.5 / 2.7) 10 favorite perl IDE
0.528 ( 6.2 / 11.8) 17 Good way to un-chomp an array
0.522 ( 3.0 / 5.8) 10 passing param('something') through a function
0.493 ( 12.2 / 24.7) 22 split inconsistency- why?
0.468 ( 3.8 / 8.1) 10 Validating email addresses
0.453 ( 8.2 / 18.1) 30 Perl PDF modules - help please
0.413 ( 6.3 / 15.4) 21 Counting text area
0.338 ( 2.9 / 8.6) 16 Expression Problem
15 threads (16%) had at least ten posts.
Top 8 Targets for Crossposts
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Articles Newsgroup
-------- ---------
19 comp.lang.perl.modules
7 comp.lang.perl
1 sci.astro
1 alt.disasters.misc
1 news.answers
1 sci.geo.earthquakes
1 sci.geo.geology
1 comp.answers
Top 16 Crossposters
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Articles Address
-------- -------
5 Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
4 "edgrsprj" <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
4 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
3 Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
2 tadmc@augustmail.com
2 <jari.aalto <AT> poboxes.com> (Jari Aalto+mail.perl)
2 "Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>
2 Kevin Joseph <kejoseph@hotmail.com>
1 "Eugene Mikheyev" <eam@7ka.mipt.ru>
1 Brian McCauley <nobull@mail.com>
1 "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
1 "Tintin" <me@privacy.net>
1 Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com>
1 "Liang" <leo2002chen@hotmail.com>
1 sholden@cs.usyd.edu.au
1 Geoff Wilkins <GeoffW@wordsmith.demon.co.uk>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:43:42 +0200
From: Tony Muler <t_lawetta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: testing without shell access
Message-Id: <412065af$1@news.vo.lu>
Gregory Toomey wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>A perspective client wants me to develop their website, but wants to use a
>>particular web hosting service.
>>
>>The probelm is that the hosting service provides no shell access, so I
>>have no way to test and debug the Perl scripts once I've uploaded them to
>>the hosting service.
>>
>
>
> Ditch the client or hosting service.
>
> Developinmg Perl on unix/linux without shell access is laughable.
Why?
To my mind, developing anything on a production environment
is not good. It is not a bad thing to force developers
to develop and debug on a local system and upload when
everything is working fine.
(Just wondering if they upload everything with execution permission.)
I would go for a Linux and Apache environment for doing the
development in. Installing the Perl 5.6 in co-existance with
an up-to-date version and simillar for Apache would allow
to prevent errors based on different versions in development
and production environment. Give it a go, you will have fun.
T.
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:44:49 +0200
From: Patrice Auffret <patrice.auffret@intranode.com>
Subject: Re: testing without shell access
Message-Id: <20040816094449.4d906838.patrice.auffret@intranode.com>
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:28:38 GMT
Joe Smith <Joe.Smith@inwap.com> wrote:
> Tad McClellan wrote:
>
> > You should always, yes *always*, check the return value from open():
> > open (STDERR, '>scriptErr.txt') or die "could not open
> 'scriptErr.txt' $!";
>
> open(STDERR,'>','scriptErr.txt') or die "Since STDERR is not open, you
> will
> never see this message when die() is invoked, so you might as well give
> up."
[..]
What is the problem with the first die error message ? Shouldn't it be
better to understand the problem by simply reading `$!' (and not by
trying to guess by hand what the problem may be) ?
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:15:48 +0800
From: "hugo" <hugoyg@163.com>
Subject: who has the perl document (chm version )
Message-Id: <2ob904F8mlu9U1@uni-berlin.de>
if anybody has one,pls tell me the site,and let me download it
thx.
Beijing Genomics Institute
bioinformatics department
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