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Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <1usa@llenroc.ude>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <1usa@llenroc.ude>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <1usa@llenroc.ude>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <notachance@inhell.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <norfernuman@yahoo.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <peter@semantico.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <me@privacy.net>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <peter@semantico.com>
Re: Beginner needs help with script :) <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Re: Beginner problem to execute command <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:15:28 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i6ig$kp2$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>
"> > What I classed as being rude, was and is what any normal person would
> > class,as, 'being rude' in an everyday situation.
>
>
> This is not an everyday situation!
>
> This is Usenet.
Yes I am aware of that, and Usenet is fast becoming something I didn't think
existed in anything associated with the modern western world.
Player
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:18:50 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i6oq$nrk$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>
> >>> I don't take kindly to people telling me, "DON'T" one something I
> >>> pay money to gain access to
> >>
> >> Hmmm ... you are not paying anyone here.
> >>
> >> Don't be a troll.
> >
> > No I pay my isp for the privilege of being able to access these
> > groups.
>
> So what? So does the fast majority of Usenet users.
> Do you really believe this gives you any right to (mis-)behave like you
> please?
>
> Luckily there is no need to read you.
> Welcome to the kill file.
>
> jue
Yes well you have a very warped view of what, as you laughably spell it,
(mis-)behave, is.
What I am doing here is nothing other than defending myself from a bunch of
bullies who have gotten their way for far to long, and are not used to
someone giving them far better than what they dish out to others.
Which is THE CLASSIC MODEL of what is commonly referred to as A BULLY.
Grow up please!
Player
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:22:12 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i6v4$l3u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>
">
> Paying your ISP does not give you the right to be rude to other people or
> ignore conventions.
I never said it did, I was doing what every other normal person learning a
new computer language does when faced with a problem, go searching for
answers.
Unfortunately I stumbled ac ross something that I was informed was a great
place to go looking for those answers, but in reality it is nothing more
than a palce for bullies to do what they do best, anonymously.
Player
>
> While no one can deny you the right to post here, you cannot compel
> anyone to help you. People will only help you if you respect the free
> help they provide you. Whether you would like to get help or just hear
> the echos of your own posts as they fall to the bottom of the bit bucket
> is up to you.
>
> Don't be rude.
I haven't been RUDE to anyone who hasn't been RUDE to me first, with the
exception of the original answerer to my 1st post, which I have said time
and time again, I managed to interpret wrongly.
Player
>
> --
> A. Sinan Unur
> 1usa@llenroc.ude (reverse each component for email address)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:23:46 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i722$397$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Uri Guttman" <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote in message
news:x7zn7o7e27.fsf@mail.sysarch.com...
> >>>>> "P" == Player <notachance@inhell.com> writes:
>
> P> "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude> wrote in message
> P> news:Xns94FA6CFDCF944asu1cornelledu@132.236.56.8...
> >> "Player" <notachance@inhell.com> wrote in
> >> news:c9f6sv$v9g$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk:
> >>
> >> > I don't take kindly to people telling me, "DON'T" one something I
> >> pay > money to gain access to
> >>
> >> Hmmm ... you are not paying anyone here.
> >>
> >> Don't be a troll.
>
> P> No I pay my isp for the privilege of being able to access these
> P> groups.
>
> and how do they pay me my slice? i help out here and have never gotten
> any money from your isp. i think i will sue them and you for back pay.
I never said said that you or anyone else who makes use of this news group,
gets paid, in any way shape or fame.
>
> in the meantime, spend your money on buying a clue.
Yes some advice that you should clearly make use of yourself.
Player
>
> uri
>
> --
> Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com --------
http://www.stemsystems.com
> --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and
Coding-
> Search or Offer Perl Jobs ----------------------------
http://jobs.perl.org
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:25:02 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i74e$d22$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Tad McClellan" <tadmc@augustmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrncbn0s2.h80.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com...
> Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
>
>
> > No I pay my isp for the privilege of being able to access these groups.
>
>
> Then be rude to your ISP, not to us.
Who would I be rude to my isp? they haven't bullied in front of thousands of
other news group users.
I have certainly not said anything to anyone, in a rude manner, who didn't
deserve for past ac tions directed at me.
Player
>
>
> --
> Tad McClellan SGML consulting
> tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
> Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:30:18 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i7ea$3jh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>
> ...
> > HOWEVER what has happened since that first post, is nothing short of
> > systematic group attempt at trying to humiliate and belittle me in front
of
> > thousand of other readers.
>
> Dude, when I saw your first reply I just shook my head and thought, oh
> man what an idiot. I have not been checking out these groups for too
> long either. The first time I thought I needed some help with setting up
> my .vimrc file, I went to comp.editors I did no research on my own prior
> to posting, I did pretty much everything I could have done wrong. And
> then I met Sven Guckes, he gave me a mild butt toasting of a flame and I
> fired back, not as much as an idiot as you did mind you, but I was not
> happy with his flaming me. He came back and roasted me and I was fuming!
The original person who 1st replied to my post, has by way of this news
group, had multiple oportunities to read that I have admitted that I was
wrong in my 1st assumption as to the meaning of his reply.
However I don't no were you come from but were I come from we don;t take to
kindly to bullies period.
And I don't care even if someone is trying to be just a tad nice while being
obnoxious in the process and calling me 'whatever', for instace like you
calling me an, 'idiot'
I wont sit back and take it because it's the done thing round here, because
in the real world, even the virtual real world, human being are sensitive
and when pushed we stick up for ourselves.
I don't no about you but I am human.
Player
>
> But he also posted a link to what you should know before posting...
> (I can't find the link right now, sorry. Perhaps some will post a good
one)
>
> I read it, it explained ALLOT to me and I went back and posted an
> apology. He was SO nice to me after that, and when I ACTUALLY need help.
> He and the others there are happy to help. Remember these people own you
> NOTHING!!! If you just read this forum for a few weeks you'll see others
> like yourself do what you did and perhaps you become enlighten. (or not
> - I.E.: krakle)
>
> Remember, no one owes you jack'.
> Google it first, look in a book, do your homework, DON'T WHINE when
> someone who knows a TON more than you do about what ever group your
> looking for answers in tells you your being a dink.
>
> Have you ever had a programmer for a manager? The folks at this group
> are as sweet as your grandma compared to that. Programmers don't mess
> around blowing sunshine up your butt. Try some humility and learn from
> these folks. Or... shut up and step off. I mean that in the most
> constructive way. :-)
>
> - NN
>
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Date: 1 Jun 2004 15:33:11 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <Xns94FB7586CFFDAasu1cornelledu@132.236.56.8>
"Player" <notachance@inhell.com> wrote in
news:c9i6oq$nrk$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
>> Do you really believe this gives you any right to (mis-)behave like
>> you please?
...
> Yes well you have a very warped view of what, as you laughably spell
> it, (mis-)behave, is.
Looking at your other posts, I must admit you have a lot of courage saying
anything about anybody's spelling, especially since Jurgen's spelling is
proper for the meaning he meant to convey. As for you:
> What I classed as being rude, was and is what any normal person would
> class,as, 'being rude' in an everyday situation.
> would of been enough.
> when those people are not in any position of authority were my
> money heads to.
Check out
http://www.thewb.com/Shows/GenericShow/0,11116,169159,00.html
--
A. Sinan Unur
1usa@llenroc.ude (reverse each component for email address)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:33:19 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i7jv$9kg$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Tad McClellan" <tadmc@augustmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrncbn10l.h80.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com...
> Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
> > "Scott Bryce" <sbryce@scottbryce.com> wrote in message
> > news:10bmj7dop8kv415@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Player wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't like being bullied
> >>
> >> You weren't being bullied. You were given good advice.
> >
> > At first, yes you're quite correct, But unfortunately I didn't see it at
> > that time, and thought the person was being crass and bullish. I said I
have
> > realised that now.
> >
> > HOWEVER what has happened since that first post, is nothing short of
> > systematic group attempt at trying to humiliate and belittle me in front
of
> > thousand of other readers.
>
>
> That was all in response to your subsequent followups.
>
> You reap what you sow.
Exactly my sentiments, which is why I wont back down to the likes of you lot
trying to get away with the outlandish group mentality type behaviour that
your expressing my way.
It reminds of a history lecture I once went to, in which the lecturer was
detailing the behaviour of were the yobbish group mentality originated.
Peoples bevaiour in this news group mimic it to a T
Player
>
>
> --
> Tad McClellan SGML consulting
> tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
> Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: 1 Jun 2004 15:35:54 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <Xns94FB75FC6BAD1asu1cornelledu@132.236.56.8>
"Player" <notachance@inhell.com> wrote in
news:c9i6v4$l3u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk:
> I haven't been RUDE to anyone who hasn't been RUDE to me first, with
> the exception of the original answerer to my 1st post, which I have
> said time and time again, I managed to interpret wrongly.
Your statement about paying money to be here was rude and offensive to
anyone who participates in this group, experts and beginners alike.
You do know best what to do with your money.
--
A. Sinan Unur
1usa@llenroc.ude (reverse each component for email address)
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Date: 1 Jun 2004 15:37:55 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <Xns94FB765448FB2asu1cornelledu@132.236.56.8>
"Player" <notachance@inhell.com> wrote in
news:c9i74e$d22$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk:
> "Tad McClellan" <tadmc@augustmail.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncbn0s2.h80.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com...
>> Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
...
>> Then be rude to your ISP, not to us.
>
> Who would I be rude to my isp?
Does one need to take special class to butcher English the way you do?
--
A. Sinan Unur
1usa@llenroc.ude (reverse each component for email address)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:40:58 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i82a$61e$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@ph.gla.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.53.0405312234520.31165@ppepc56.ph.gla.ac.uk...
> On Mon, 31 May 2004, Gunnar Hjalmarsson exposes to all and sundry
> that:
>
> > Player wrote:
> > > "Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@ph.gla.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> Seems to me that the subject line already told us as much as we
> > >> needed to know about the questioner and its attitude to posting
> > >> guidelines.
> > >
> > > So basically Alan J Flavell what your saying is that a beginner
> > > shouldn't come to these forums and post a question about perl AT
> > > ALL?
> >
> > That's of course not what Alan meant.
>
> Indeed. Newcomers are entirely welcome, but, as with any community,
> it's helpful if they acquaint themselves with the local customs first.
Yes well HOW is a NEWCOMER supposedto no that they are to read and adhere to
some rules spelt out in a document somewere immediately upon entry?
People come here, they see questions asked in the posts, and so ask their
own.
It would take a good few times firest before a newcomer came across any post
that gave links to rules documents and hints and tips on how to behave in
these groups.
In my case, I did nothing wrong other than ask a very basic and ratyher
begginer'ish question, nothing more nor less.
I couldn't of worded my subjectline any nbetter than a did, because for me
to have to explain exactly what my problem was, on the subject line, would
of taken a few sentances.
>
> Or, as the usenet saying has it, "lurk before you leap".
Yes it seems that a lot of TYPES of PEOPLES lurk here, mainly the classic
model type of a bully.
>
> > He objected to the subject line,
> > which indisputably is useless as a description of the nature of your
> > problem. The posting guidelines for this newsgroup
> >
> > http://mail.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html
>
> Just so. But subsequent developments have vindicated my initial
> hunch, I think it's fair to say.
Those subsequent devlopments you speak of, were initialised and started by
the likes of you and your childish bullyish rantings and insults at myself.
>
> Usenet helps those who give some impression that they're willing to
> make a bit of an effort themselves. It's often helped me, and I'm
> keen to repay that debt. But I'm no fan of leeches.
I had done everything I could of to try and figure out why the script didn't
work as was expected.
The only thing left to me was to ask someone with more experience than I.
Player
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:52:53 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i8ol$4ho$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:aiOuc.83513$tb4.3303979@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> "Player" <notachance@inhell.com> wrote in message
> news:c9fiv2$3pb$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > Obviously not, do not speak down to me like I am a child sir, because I
am
> > far from that, and if nothing else I will not have you trying to play
> school
> > headmaster with me.
> >
>
> Oh please, spare the BS. Your writing is terrible and you're pouting like
a
> child. High school may seem grown up to you, but you're not fooling
anyone.
> Now do the sensible thing and stop whining about your wounded "pride"
before
> you're killfiled by everyone in the newsgroup. You acted like a twit and
got
> treated like one. Live with it!
I am not the one pouting, it strikes me that it is you sir, and all your
other little members in this gang of bullies that you have here that is
pouting.
Pouting because someone had the audacity to slap you back in the face with
every atempt you and yours made at trying to bully and humiate my good self.
Your actions strike me as the antics of a group of jocks in a school yard
picking on the new boy because the new boy had the nerv to stick up for
himself.
And while we are on the subject of writing, yours is pretty shiite also.
>
> Matt
>
> Grammar tip of the day: "to know" is a verb; "to no" is not.
Yes well excuse me for typing fast and over looking the obvious, but it's
kinda hard for one person to reply to some many of societies worst within
any decent amount of time.
Player
>
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:55:45 +0100
From: "Player" <notachance@inhell.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <c9i8u1$ecg$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Tad McClellan" <tadmc@augustmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrncbn0n6.h80.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com...
> Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
>
>
> > And you have the nerv to call me a troll.
>
>
> If you stop acting like a troll, then folks will not call you a troll.
Definition of a Troll = someone who acticly persues the goal of trying to
insite arguments and abusive commentary in the hope that those events might
bring him/her more attention.
That doeswn't strike me as the type of behaviour I have expressed so far in
my atempt to gain entry into this community.
It does however, explain the behaviour the the majority of those who have
replied to me so far, with the exception of a few.
Player
>
>
> --
> Tad McClellan SGML consulting
> tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
> Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:13:10 GMT
From: norfernuman <norfernuman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <qW1vc.63540$qp6.55622@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>
Player wrote:
> I don't no about you but I am human.
OK elephant man, did you read the page from the link I posted?
After your first response, it was going downhill at best.
Read it, especially the part about not getting your feelings hurt and
acting like an (_________).
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
So you didn't read it before posting the first time, perhaps instead of
getting mad a being corrected you should have read it then.
Chill out, read the doc. Go away for a month and come back and try again.
-NN
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:14:26 +0100
From: Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <40bcab63$0$1864$afc38c87@news.easynet.co.uk>
Player wrote:
> Erma if I so chose, I could post 459,000 posts in each news group, and do it
> legally,
I would check your ISPs T & C before you try that. People like that tend to lose
their accounts.
> These news groups are here for people to fire questions of each and help
> each other out.
> Especially news groups on computer languages, that is THE PRIMARY reason for
> their existence, that and getting out info on new releases and updates.
No, this NG is just for people to talk bollocks about perl. Info on releases and
updates are handled in other NGs.
> I no everyone here is not here to please me and answer my questions, BUT the
> news group is here for people to fire questions of each other in the hope
> that help might be given.
We are also not here to put up with you. Not only can we talk over problems with
perl we talk over problems with posters. This is an adult place that owes you
nothing, get used to it.
> So don't even come that attitude with me, because it fell through the floor
> as you were typing it.
Because of your attitude you have entered many killfiles, and for those who have
not plonked you will glance at your messages and skip them as the postings of a
kook.
You made a bad entrance, now perhaps is the time to make an exit.
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Date: 1 Jun 2004 16:15:31 GMT
From: James Keasley <me@privacy.net>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <slrncbpat2.5he.me@athena.homeric.co.uk>
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On 2004-06-01, Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
>
> "Tad McClellan" <tadmc@augustmail.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncbn0n6.h80.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com...
>> Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > And you have the nerv to call me a troll.
>>
>>
>> If you stop acting like a troll, then folks will not call you a troll.
> Definition of a Troll = someone who acticly persues the goal of trying to
> insite arguments and abusive commentary in the hope that those events might
> bring him/her more attention.
>
> That doeswn't strike me as the type of behaviour I have expressed so far in
> my atempt to gain entry into this community.
For your first post, matbe not, that just lacked clue, for the rest though.
> It does however, explain the behaviour the the majority of those who have
> replied to me so far, with the exception of a few.
This is usenet, we aren't all particularly nice, we don't get paid to do
this, and we usually expect people to follow the accepted rules, deal with
it.
- --
James jamesk[at]homeric[dot]co[dot]uk
Linux- 'Cos Micro$oft is for Capitalists running DOS
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:38:23 +0100
From: Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <40bcb100$0$14064$afc38c87@news.easynet.co.uk>
Player wrote:
> Yes what he was saying was that the subject matter in my subject line, told
> him that I was in some way not me btohered with or that I was in some way
> wrong or something similar.
Your subject line told us nothing about your problem. A good subject line will
tell a reader what the problem is about, databases, XML, particular modules.
This allows people with expertise in this area to pay attention to the message
and people with similar problems to look for the answers.
> And I put it to him and you that my subject line simplysays I am a beginner
> who needs help, and you cant get more honest and humble than that in front
> of millions of people.
It told us nothing useful
> Well as I have said, I was being honest, you cant get MORE HUMAN than that.
> Sorry my fault for being HUMAN i guess huh.
Even this sorry is false! What is your problem.
> Yes you can, it says that a beginner needs help with a script.
> If you don't understand that and couldn't read that and understand it in a
> way that would automaticaly lead you to think, "right well elts have a look
> at the script then"
There are many messages posted daily to these newsgroups and we only skim the
subject lines. I have no interest in Oracle or perl on HP systems so I will skip
messages with that in the subject line. Post something about Mason and I will
read it, be vague and I will skip it. I do not have the time to read everything,
the only reason I am reading this it that trolls amuse me, and you are a troll.
> So being human isn't enough in here is that what your saying?
> Let me put it this way, apart from not being human in my atempts to
> communicate with people in here, I should try and be all smart and technical
> in my subject lines, even though I don't no the slightest damn thing about
> the language yet. hrmm is that what your telling me?
No, we are telling you to stop being an arse.
> Obviously not, do not speak down to me like I am a child sir, because I am
> far from that, and if nothing else I will not have you trying to play school
> headmaster with me.
You need it.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:41:34 -0500
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner needs help with script :)
Message-Id: <slrncbpcdu.p0t.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com>
Player <notachance@inhell.com> wrote:
> Yes well HOW is a NEWCOMER supposedto no that they are to read and adhere to
> some rules spelt out in a document somewere immediately upon entry?
They are not.
They are supposed to respond something like:
Oh, I didn't know that, I'll go check it out.
Rather than:
Those rules are stupid and I don't have to follow them.
(which characterizes your response)
> The only thing left to me was to ask someone with more experience than I.
We all have more experience than you do with Usenet in general and
this newsgroup in particular, yet you are determined to ignore their
voice of experience.
You are free to never come back if you don't like conforming
to the rules of this society.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:29:18 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Beginner problem to execute command
Message-Id: <ih1vc.22582$oh7.10580@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> Petterson Mikael wrote:
Some more oddities I noticed:
- you didn't tell us what you expect your code to do. This is essential to
determine if your code has problem or your understanding has a problem.
>> $cmd="mkdir -p `dirname $local`";
Are you certain that you want to create two new folders the first named
"`dirname" and the second whatever the content of $local is plus a trailing
backquote? This looks odd to me.
jue
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:53:14 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ben Morrow <usenet@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: Beginner problem to execute command
Message-Id: <c9i8pa$ajs$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Quoth "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>:
> Petterson Mikael wrote:
> > $cmd="mkdir -p `dirname $local`";
> > print("$cmd\n");
> > system($cmd) || die ("Could not create new directory");
>
> Is there a specific reason why you are forking a new shell instead of using
> Perl's buildin mkdir() function?
Presumably as mkdir doesn't have a -p option?
OP: see File::Path.
> Besides, did you check "perldoc -f system" about the return value of
> system()?
This is the bug.
Ben
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:49:13 +0100
From: zzapper <david@tvis.co.uk>
Subject: Invisible Array Loop Counter?
Message-Id: <oocpb0pchba6257bjsg7aprri9f0gpfe8g@4ax.com>
When you are looping thru an array
is there an "invisible" loop counter ?
eg
for (@somearray)
{
}
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:23:24 -0400
From: Paul Lalli <ittyspam@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Invisible Array Loop Counter?
Message-Id: <20040601131941.Q18263@dishwasher.cs.rpi.edu>
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, zzapper wrote:
> When you are looping thru an array
> is there an "invisible" loop counter ?
>
> eg
>
> for (@somearray)
> {
>
>
> }
Your question is extremely vague. What exactly are you looking for? And
what do you mean by "loop counter"?
Going through a foreach loop, if you do not assign the control variable
(as you show above), the default $_ variable is used. That is, within the
loop body, $_ will be an alias to each subsequent element of the array.
If you mean does Perl "invisibly" keep track of where it is in the loop,
the answer to that is Yes. Perl knows where in the array it is, and
internally stores that information so it can move on to the next element
in the array.
If you mean does Perl "invisibly" keep track of the indices of the array,
the answer is no. Using the foreach loop you show above, you cannot
determine the index of the current iteration. To do that, use this loop
instead:
for (0..$#array){
#the index of the current iteration is $_
$element = $array[$_];
}
I hope this helps. If not, be more explicit about what you are asking.
Paul Lalli
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:30:56 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ian Wilson <scobloke2@infotop.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SOAP::Lite error trapping
Message-Id: <c9i7fg$l84$1@hercules.btinternet.com>
Ian Wilson wrote:
> My perl SOAP client dies if the SOAP server isn't there, but I wish to
> handle this error without the script dying.
Somehow I missed ...
http://guide.soaplite.com/#error%20handling examples 2g etc
Apologies for wasting some bandwidth.
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 13:46:33 GMT
From: Roger <roger1023@yahoo.com>
Subject: splice has no effect on scalar @list
Message-Id: <200461-154633-591314@foorum.com>
Greetings,
I *thought* I knew how to use 'scalar' and 'splice'...
while( $num < scalar(@odd_num) )
splice (@list,$odd_num[$num],0,$field_num[$num]);
#'odd_num' and 'field_num' are arrays loaded with integer index values, use here
in #a scalar context, the problem is after each call to splice, the array 'list'
#does not grow ... next line of code....
$num++;
my $range = scalar @list; #stuck in here for debugging
#Here the value of 'range' never changes from the entry into the while loop.
#yet in the debugger, I see @list growing with each iteration!!!!!
#It's making crazy!
Question, why isn't the call to 'scalar' reflecting the new size of '@list' with
each iteration?
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 14:01:47 GMT
From: Roger <roger1023@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: splice has no effect on scalar @list
Message-Id: <200461-16147-245382@foorum.com>
sorry!!!!!!!!
I was declaring my debugger variable inside the while loop using 'my' and a
scoping issue I don't fully understand was at play.
I took away the 'my' declarative modifier (??) and it works fine, obviously not
using strict.
I still don't know why using 'my' would affect the execution in that way. It's
not trying to modify @list only count it, so why should it matter if it was
local aka 'my' not the real 'local'... to the while body?
It does work now without 'my'.
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 14:23:17 GMT
From: Roger <roger1023@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: splice has no effect on scalar @list
Message-Id: <200461-162317-27960@foorum.com>
OK just ignore me.
I had previously declared 'range' above and the debuggers output was reflecting
the first 'range'
as usual the computer was right.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:49:47 -0700
From: Joe User <william.bathurst@nospam.com>
Subject: SSL connection to oracle using DBI?
Message-Id: <xu3vc.17$sE4.55@news.oracle.com>
Has anyone done this before? If so, please let me know. Just
remove the "nospam" and put in oracle in my email. Or, just reply
to my post.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:09:37 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: YAPC::2004
Message-Id: <4e850e930214d2b1af7bae69f3035ee5@news.teranews.com>
>>>>> "Tad" == Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com> writes:
Tad> If you're going to be at YAPC this summer, consider setting aside
Tad> Thursday to get about half of a Stonehenge Alpaca (Intermediate)
Tad> class for free!
Tad> http://yapc.org/America/day2.shtml
Tad> I have a very high opinion of the presenter. (heh)
Actually, I do too. (heh)
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