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Perl-Users Digest           Fri, 21 Nov 2003     Volume: 10 Number: 5840

Today's topics:
    Re: comments on JAPH? (Anno Siegel)
    Re: Comments on parsing solution. (Anno Siegel)
    Re: DES has no destroy.al (Anno Siegel)
    Re: fork question (bruno)
    Re: fork question <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
    Re: fork question <usenet@morrow.me.uk>
    Re: fork question (Anno Siegel)
    Re: fork question <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
    Re: Match and cut regex? (Anno Siegel)
    Re: Need some help... (Anno Siegel)
        Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision:  tadmc@augustmail.com
        Problem in displaying an HTML page (Ajit)
    Re: Problem in displaying an HTML page (Anno Siegel)
    Re: Problem in displaying an HTML page <abigail@abigail.nl>
    Re: Project Organization (Anno Siegel)
    Re: Protecting Source code of a perl script <usenet@morrow.me.uk>
    Re: Sendmail Configuration Problem news@roaima.freeserve.co.uk
    Re: status of redirecting STDOUT/STDERR to file (Anno Siegel)
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Date: 21 Nov 2003 10:47:18 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: comments on JAPH?
Message-Id: <bpkqfm$da3$3@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Thomas Kratz  <ThomasKratz@REMOVEwebCAPS.de> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:

> 2. I just realized (never thought about it before), that when you paste 
> the code to the perl interpreter via STDIN, you won't get anything from 
> the DATA filehandle. ...

Have you tried it?

Anno


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 10:41:02 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: Comments on parsing solution.
Message-Id: <bpkq3u$da3$2@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Eric J. Roode <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
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> Glenn Jackman <xx087@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in 
> news:slrnbrpr47.cjj.xx087@smeagol.ncf.ca:
> 
> > Prabh <Prab_kar@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >     #!/usr/local/bin/perl
> >     use strict;
> >     use warnings;
> >     
> >     # always check the return value of open()
> >     open F, "file" or die "can't open file: $!\n";
> >     my %hash;
> >     while (<F>) {
> >         $hash{(split /:/)[0]} ++;
> >     }
> >     close F;
> >     foreach my $f (sort keys %hash) {
> >         print "$hash{$f} lines of info on $f\n";
> >     }
> 
> Are you golfing, or trying to help?  If the latter, perhaps you would be 
> so kind as to provide a bit of explanation, instead of just throwing some 
> fairly dense code at the novice?

Oh, come on.  The OP had this (after reading the file into @arr):

> foreach $line ( @arr )  {
>     push(@files,(split(/\:/,$line))[0]) ;
> }

Lose the file slurping and replace @arr with %hash, and you end up
more or less with Eric's code.  That's not too much of a step.

Anno


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 11:42:39 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: DES has no destroy.al
Message-Id: <bpktnf$k64$1@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Greg G  <ggershSNACK@CAKEctc.net> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> 
> I've got some perl code that's using Crypt::CBC in which I'm generating 
> a DES key like so:
> my $cipher = Crypt::CBC->new( {'key'             => '12345678',
>                              'cipher'          => 'DES',
> 			    'iv'              => '87654321',
> 			    'regenerate_key'  => 0,   # default true
> 			    'padding'         => 'space',
> 			    'prepend_iv'      => 0
> 	 		    });
> 
> Well, at some point, the process falls down.

In what way?  Is there no error message?

Your code works for me.  Perl 5.8.1, Crypt::CBC 2.08.

>                                              I'm not sure exactly where 
> in the perl code this is happening, but truss tells me this:
> 
> stat("/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/sun4-solaris/auto/Crypt/DES/DESTROY.al", 
> 0x000C1434) Err#2 ENOENT
> open("/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00503/sun4-solaris/auto/Crypt/DES/DESTROY.al", 
>   O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
> open("/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00503/auto/Crypt/DES/DESTROY.al", O_RDONLY) 
> Err#2 ENOENT
> open("/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/sun4-solaris/auto/Crypt/DES/DESTROY.al", 
> O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
> open("/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/auto/Crypt/DES/DESTROY.al", 
> O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
> open("./auto/Crypt/DES/DESTROY.al", O_RDONLY)   Err#2 ENOENT
> 
> As far as I can tell DES doesn't *have* a DESTROY.al.  What does this 

That doesn't mean perl can't look for one.

> mean, and how can I fix it?  (Yes, it's an old version of perl, I 
> realize that.  I'd prefer not to upgrade it at this point if I don't 
> have to.)

There must be tens or hundreds of failed open()s in the truss trace.
This could be the fatal one, but nothing you have reported backs that
up.  What makes you think it is?

Anno


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 00:37:04 -0800
From: bskorepa@yahoo.com (bruno)
Subject: Re: fork question
Message-Id: <f542e1ac.0311210037.20abe6ae@posting.google.com>

I just found out, by trial and error, that if I remove the
"substr"-function, the program runs fine. Is it possible, that
"substr" is not thread-safe?

thanks, bruno.


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 09:33:15 GMT
From: "Tassilo v. Parseval" <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
Subject: Re: fork question
Message-Id: <bpkm4r$rvv$1@nets3.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE>

Also sprach bruno:

> I just found out, by trial and error, that if I remove the
> "substr"-function, the program runs fine. Is it possible, that
> "substr" is not thread-safe?

Doubt it, but it's not relevant in your case anyway. fork() creates
processes and not threads. Unlike threads, processes do not share
anything (save for file-descriptors) and therefore thread-safeness or
not is a non-issue for this case.

Tassilo
-- 
$_=q#",}])!JAPH!qq(tsuJ[{@"tnirp}3..0}_$;//::niam/s~=)]3[))_$-3(rellac(=_$({
pam{rekcahbus})(rekcah{lrePbus})(lreP{rehtonabus})!JAPH!qq(rehtona{tsuJbus#;
$_=reverse,s+(?<=sub).+q#q!'"qq.\t$&."'!#+sexisexiixesixeseg;y~\n~~dddd;eval


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:54:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ben Morrow <usenet@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: fork question
Message-Id: <bpkuea$4q8$2@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>


tassilo.parseval@post.rwth-aachen.de wrote:
> Also sprach bruno:
> 
> > I just found out, by trial and error, that if I remove the
> > "substr"-function, the program runs fine. Is it possible, that
> > "substr" is not thread-safe?
> 
> Doubt it, but it's not relevant in your case anyway. fork() creates
> processes and not threads. Unlike threads, processes do not share
> anything (save for file-descriptors) and therefore thread-safeness or
> not is a non-issue for this case.

The OP is on Win2k... fork creates ithreads.
Of course, if substr is not ithread-safe this is a bug in perl.

Ben

-- 
Like all men in Babylon I have been a proconsul; like all, a slave ... During
one lunar year, I have been declared invisible; I shrieked and was not heard,
I stole my bread and was not decapitated.
~ ben@morrow.me.uk ~                   Jorge Luis Borges, 'The Babylon Lottery'


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 12:12:40 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: fork question
Message-Id: <bpkvfo$k64$3@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Ben Morrow  <usenet@morrow.me.uk> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> 
> tassilo.parseval@post.rwth-aachen.de wrote:
> > Also sprach bruno:
> > 
> > > I just found out, by trial and error, that if I remove the
> > > "substr"-function, the program runs fine. Is it possible, that
> > > "substr" is not thread-safe?
> > 
> > Doubt it, but it's not relevant in your case anyway. fork() creates
> > processes and not threads. Unlike threads, processes do not share
> > anything (save for file-descriptors) and therefore thread-safeness or
> > not is a non-issue for this case.
> 
> The OP is on Win2k... fork creates ithreads.
> Of course, if substr is not ithread-safe this is a bug in perl.

Not that I've heard anything specific, but the lvalue-ness of substr
could conceivably lead to problems.  After doing "$part = \ substr(
$str, 10, 3)" changes in $$part propagate to $str and change it indirectly.
It must be a bitch to propagate access restrictions on $str to $$part.

Idly speculating,

Anno


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:26:07 -0600
From: "Eric J. Roode" <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: fork question
Message-Id: <Xns943A4BBD7A3C8sdn.comcast@216.196.97.136>

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bskorepa@yahoo.com (bruno) wrote in
news:f542e1ac.0311202338.15301b6c@posting.google.com: 

>> Fork slows programs down more often than it speeds them up.
> 
> I know, but for each symbol read from the file the program is getting
> an url from the internet, thats where most of the time goes.
> The program runs a couple of hours, so in this case forking 20 times
> speeds things up by almost a factor 20.

Okay, I can see that.

>> but perhaps you're overloading the system's memory capacity.Why do
>> you read the entire file into an array and loop over it?  Is it a
>> large file? 
> 
> only 40 k, so memory issues should not be a problem

Agreed.

(I'd still recommend reading one line at a time; it's a better practice 
in general).  :-)

- -- 
Eric
$_ = reverse sort $ /. r , qw p ekca lre uJ reh
ts p , map $ _. $ " , qw e p h tona e and print

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Date: 21 Nov 2003 12:47:36 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: Match and cut regex?
Message-Id: <bpl1h8$k64$4@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Bryan  <bryan@akanta.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> If I have a 'cut' phrase:
> my $cut = "ABBCCCD";
> 
> and a 'sentence':
> my $sentence = "ALSSDJOOASABBCCCDUUSIIASDLLLPP";
> 
> What regex do I use to match the ABBCCCD and then chop off everything 
> after it?

TIMTOWTDI indeed, as this thread shows.  Lookbehind hasn't been used yet:

    s/(?<=ABBCCCD).*//;

Anno


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 12:01:42 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: Need some help...
Message-Id: <bpkur6$k64$2@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Desmond Coughlan  <pasdespam_desmond@zeouane.org> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:

> I mean, come on: I _know_ Perl, damnit !!

Few people would claim that without qualification.

Anno


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:22:53 -0600
From: tadmc@augustmail.com
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.4 $)
Message-Id: <3rGdnXMZArrAViCi4p2dnA@august.net>

Outline
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      How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
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        This is recommended in all Usenet newsgroups. Here in clpmisc, most
        flaming sub-threads are not about any feature of Perl at all! They
        are most often for what was seen as a breach of netiquette. If you
        have lurked for a bit, then you will know what is expected and won't
        make such posts in the first place.

        But if you get upset, wait a while before writing your followup. I
        recommend waiting at least 30 minutes.

    Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
        After you have written your followup, wait *another* 30 minutes
        before committing yourself by posting it. You cannot take it back
        once it has been said.

AUTHOR
    Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com> and many others on the
    comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup.



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Date: 21 Nov 2003 04:43:29 -0800
From: aniwin1@rediffmail.com (Ajit)
Subject: Problem in displaying an HTML page
Message-Id: <141309f1.0311210443.25c41a0@posting.google.com>

Hello everyone,

   I am working on Sqwebmail a web-based mail client developed in C&
Perl in backend & has frontend designed in HTML.
Now the problem is, After performing any "file Read/Write" operation
from C, a next HTML page should be displayed, but what actually
happens is the page is displayed partially. & when I refresh the page
the page appears completely.
   Programatically the code for the file manipualation is correct, but
why the HTML page is stucking up is a mystry.
  
   Can any one urgently advise me on this  matter.....


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 13:06:53 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: Problem in displaying an HTML page
Message-Id: <bpl2ld$nmj$1@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Ajit <aniwin1@rediffmail.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> Hello everyone,
> 
>    I am working on Sqwebmail a web-based mail client developed in C&
> Perl in backend & has frontend designed in HTML.
> Now the problem is, After performing any "file Read/Write" operation
> from C, a next HTML page should be displayed, but what actually
> happens is the page is displayed partially. & when I refresh the page
> the page appears completely.
>    Programatically the code for the file manipualation is correct, but
> why the HTML page is stucking up is a mystry.

So you're asking a bunch of Perl programmers why a web page of yours
doesn't display completely on the first try.  What makes you think the
problem is Perl related?

>    Can any one urgently advise me on this  matter.....

Usenet doesn't take general claims to urgency very well.  What you
can do to get a fast reply is represent your problem in clear terms,
accompanied by an executable example that demonstrates the problem.
You haven't done that.

Anno


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 13:12:30 GMT
From: Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl>
Subject: Re: Problem in displaying an HTML page
Message-Id: <slrnbrs3pu.c69.abigail@alexandra.abigail.nl>

Ajit (aniwin1@rediffmail.com) wrote on MMMDCCXXXIV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:141309f1.0311210443.25c41a0@posting.google.com>:
==  Hello everyone,
==  
==     I am working on Sqwebmail a web-based mail client developed in C&
==  Perl in backend & has frontend designed in HTML.
==  Now the problem is, After performing any "file Read/Write" operation
==  from C, a next HTML page should be displayed, but what actually
==  happens is the page is displayed partially. & when I refresh the page
==  the page appears completely.
==     Programatically the code for the file manipualation is correct, but
==  why the HTML page is stucking up is a mystry.
==    
==     Can any one urgently advise me on this  matter.....


You have a bug on line 17.



Abigail
-- 
perl -wle 'print "Prime" if (1 x shift) !~ /^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$/'


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 13:16:04 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: Project Organization
Message-Id: <bpl36k$nmj$2@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

Ben Liddicott <ben.liddicott@comodogroup.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> It's rather rude to plonk people publicly. It makes you look like a rude
> person.
> 
> I might care, but you do this all the time, and for equally trivial reasons;
> so I don't.
> 
> If anyone else wants to plonk, plink or plunk me for top-posting, please do
> so now, but quietly so as not to annoy the other posters.

Your choice.  So long.

Anno


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ben Morrow <usenet@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: Protecting Source code of a perl script
Message-Id: <bpku88$4q8$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>


"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ctcgag@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Is the administrator of the application also the administrator of the
> > machine on which the application runs?  How can an application be
> > considered secure if you don't trust the person who is in charge of
> > it?
> 
> Actually this is a very frequent scenario.
> Or would you trust your personal medical files to the admin of the hospital
> computer?

I would (implicitly) trust him not to look at them unless it was
strictly necessary. Or I would trust the hospital to sack him if he
did.

Ben

-- 
For the last month, a large number of PSNs in the Arpa[Inter-]net have been
reporting symptoms of congestion ... These reports have been accompanied by an
increasing number of user complaints ... As of June,... the Arpanet contained
47 nodes and 63 links. [ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/arpaprob.txt] * ben@morrow.me.uk


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:16:24 +0000
From: news@roaima.freeserve.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sendmail Configuration Problem
Message-Id: <8o1191-1s1.ln1@news.roaima.co.uk>

Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc> wrote:
> You may also want to ask your ISP why their
> sendmail program or mail server is configured to add that "Sender:"
> header.

Because that's the (arguably) correct behaviour for a mailer when someone
tries to send an email whilst pretending to be someone else. To do that
without having sendmail add the Sender: header you need to be in the
list of "trusted users".

Chris
-- 
@s=split(//,"Je,\nhn ersloak rcet thuarP");$k=$l=@s;for(;$k;$k--){$i=($i+1)%$l
until$s[$i];$c=$s[$i];print$c;undef$s[$i];$i=($i+(ord$c))%$l}


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Date: 21 Nov 2003 09:28:51 GMT
From: anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Subject: Re: status of redirecting STDOUT/STDERR to file
Message-Id: <bpklsj$da3$1@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>

jonathan <ttyp32000@yahoo.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
> hey all,
> 
> just curious, but if I do the following (after __cut__), does this
> have any repercussions for the 'regular' STDERR, STDOUT handles?

It shouldn't.

Why are you dealing with STDOUT in redirect()?  You're not using it in
any way.

> __cut__
> sub redirect
> {
>     local(*STDERR);
>     local(*STDOUT) = *STDERR;
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This does nothing useful.

>     open(STDERR, "> /tmp/logit");
> 
>     print STDERR "HERE!!!\n";
>     print STDERR "HEREA!!!\n";
> 
>     close(STDERR);
> }
> 
> redirect();
> 
> print STDERR "HEREB!!!\n";
> print STDOUT "HEREC!!!\n";

Anno


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