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Perl-Users Digest           Sat, 24 May 2003     Volume: 10 Number: 5034

Today's topics:
    Re: advice re perl modules <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
    Re: advice re perl modules <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
    Re: Can I have an array containing a hash containing a  <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
    Re: counter <nobody@dev.null>
    Re: counter <no.spam@this.addy.ta>
    Re: Expanding a newcommand in latex <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
    Re: Help!: Problem Passing Values to ::Graph (Think its <nobody@dev.null>
    Re: Help!: Problem Passing Values to ::Graph (Think its <mpapec@yahoo.com>
        html tables <mpapec@yahoo.com>
    Re: html tables <nobody@dev.null>
        incorrect "uninitialised value" error in array <r.t.j.van.leeuwenNOSPAM@THANKSplanet.nl>
    Re: o conf urllist <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
    Re: Perl and geometry <abigail@abigail.nl>
    Re: Perl and geometry <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
    Re: Perl and geometry <cwilbur@mithril.chromatico.net>
    Re: Problem with Addition - doesn't interpret as a numb (Tad McClellan)
    Re: Problem with Addition - doesn't interpret as a numb <bwalton@rochester.rr.com>
    Re: why key is added to hash after defined ? <mpapec@yahoo.com>
        Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)

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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:19:18 GMT
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
Subject: Re: advice re perl modules
Message-Id: <tmoucv4ofr6eol49b6i86ukqrqmpqan815@4ax.com>

Max Waterman wrote:

>Noone seems to want to answer this question.

Gee, an impatient one. You're complaining on the lack of replkeis less
than 2 hours after your original post. Do you really expect miracles?
This is Usenet, it's normal not to get answers that fast.

-- 
	Bart.


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:20:44 GMT
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
Subject: Re: advice re perl modules
Message-Id: <asoucv0togm9jeatihfp0cdpuattk7je8f@4ax.com>

Max Waterman wrote:

>Maybe I'll look into it if I can't get the other solution to work.

Also take a look at PAR, opn CPAN.

-- 
	Bart.


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:57:41 -0500
From: "Eric J. Roode" <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Can I have an array containing a hash containing a hash?
Message-Id: <Xns938546F07B42Bsdn.comcast@216.166.71.239>

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"Max Adams" <rubberducky703@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:balhkm$115hb$1@ID-116287.news.dfncis.de: 

> Can I have an array containing a hash containing a hash?

Certainly.

 ...
> However when I try and do an assignment like this:
> 
> $Stats[0]{Name}{FileUser} = $_[1];
> 
> I get an error:
> 
> Can't use string ("DMCORP.ADMIN") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in
> use at C:\AnaProg.pl line 148, <fileIN> line 3.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a workaround or solution?
> 

Did you previously assign "DMCORP.ADMIN" to $Stats[0]{Name}?

- -- 
Eric
$_ =  reverse sort qw p ekca lre Js reh ts
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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:20:59 GMT
From: Andras Malatinszky <nobody@dev.null>
Subject: Re: counter
Message-Id: <3ECF71A1.9050705@dev.null>



Brian H¹© wrote:

> [...]
> 
> use strict;
> 
> my ( $line, %hash, @array, $key, $value, $i );
> 
> open( F, $ARGV[0] );
> 


Don't do that! Don't blindly open files without checking to make sure 
it's OK. Suppose you have the code above in program.pl, and then someone 
comes along and types

perl program.pl >/data/irreplaceable/precious.dat

Ouch!



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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:03:08 +0100
From: "Brian H¹©" <no.spam@this.addy.ta>
Subject: Re: counter
Message-Id: <JQLza.11756$Mu3.235206@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>

Andras Malatinszky said:

> Brian H¹© wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> use strict;
>>
>> my ( $line, %hash, @array, $key, $value, $i );
>>
>> open( F, $ARGV[0] );
>>
>
>
> Don't do that! Don't blindly open files without checking to make sure
> it's OK. Suppose you have the code above in program.pl, and then someone
> comes along and types
>
> perl program.pl >/data/irreplaceable/precious.dat
>
> Ouch!

I might be daft, but I'm not stupid.




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Date: 24 May 2003 10:49:37 GMT
From: "Tassilo v. Parseval" <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
Subject: Re: Expanding a newcommand in latex
Message-Id: <banio1$h4b$1@nets3.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE>

Also sprach Tassilo v. Parseval:

> Also sprach Niels L. Ellegaard:
> 
>> When I write latex I make frequent use of newcommands such as
>> \newcommand{\pt}[3]{\left(\frac{\partial#2}{\partial#1}\right)_{#3}}
>> 
>> Sadly I have problems if I wish to share my tex-file with other
>> people. Therefore I am looking for a perlscript that can produce a new
>> latex-file where the newcommand has been expanded. 
>> 
>> I am not a great master of perl and I guess that I should sit down and
>> learn instead of asking stupid questions usenet groups, but still I
>> would be very grateful if someone could point me to an example of perl
>> code that expands a latex newcommand that takes arguments.
> 
> That's a tough task considering the fact that LaTeX has the tendency to
> nest parens in an unpleasant way (I think). I am not very familiar with
> it but since your problem is interesting I looked up a few bits and came
> up with a little script that expands \newcommand. Put these macro
> definitions into a file "macro" and run it with 
> 
>     perl latex.pl document.tex > expanded.tex
> 
> I can't guarantee that it'll work for arbitrary \newcommand definitions
> and I can't explain either why it works at all with my test data. :-)

Sorry, my version was wrong (as my sample output actually showed quite
clearly; I was blind).

One line needs to be altered:

[...]
> for my $m (keys %hash) {
>     my ($num, $repl) = @{ $hash{$m} };
>     my ($cmd) = $repl =~ /^(\\\w+)/;
>     my $arguments = join "", $curlies, "{$num}";
>     while ($latex =~ /($m($arguments))/g) {
>         my $replace_this = $1;
>         my $args = $2;
>         my @args = split_args($args);
>         (my $replace_with = $replace_this) =~ s/$m/$cmd/;

Change this line to:
          (my $replace_with = $repl) =~ s/$m/$cmd/;
          
>         $replace_with =~ s/#(\d+)/{$args[$1-1]\}/g;
>         $actual_replacements{ quotemeta($replace_this) } = $replace_with;
>     }
> }
[...]

> The scripts expands that to
> 
> \begin{document}
> Some text
> \left{{{1}}{2}{3}}{1}{2}
> \left{hello}{foo}{bar}
> \bla{1+2}
> \nonempty
> \end{document}

And now it results in:

\begin{document}
Some text
\left(\frac{\partial{1}}{\partial{{{1}}{2}{3}}}\right)_{{2}}
\left(\frac{\partial{foo}}{\partial{hello}}\right)_{{bar}}
\bla{1+2}
\nonempty
\end{document}

As I said, I should have used sensible variable names.

Tassilo
-- 
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pam{rekcahbus})(rekcah{lrePbus})(lreP{rehtonabus})!JAPH!qq(rehtona{tsuJbus#;
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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:32:18 GMT
From: Andras Malatinszky <nobody@dev.null>
Subject: Re: Help!: Problem Passing Values to ::Graph (Think its format...)
Message-Id: <3ECF6638.4060507@dev.null>



entropy123 wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I'm trying to get the Graph::Directed module to work and, if I type in
> an array manually
> 
> $g->add_edges(qw(a b  a c  b c  c e));
> 
> I get a fine result. However, I need to read my values in from a file
> and so have
> 
> $input = a b  a c  b c  c e #basically the 'string' my program creates
> from the input file.
 

This gives me a Can't locate object method "c" via package "e" (perhaps 
you forgot to load "e"?) error message. I assume you meant

my $input='a b  a c  b c  c e';


> $g->add_edges(qw($input));


qw does not interpolate. What you are passing  is the string '$input' as 
opposed to the string contained in the variable $input.

Perhaps you'd like to try

$g->add_edges(split/\s+/, $input);



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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:28:29 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapec@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Help!: Problem Passing Values to ::Graph (Think its format...)
Message-Id: <9doucvku5trtuemeu9fo5mffatke7ca10q@4ax.com>

X-Ftn-To: entropy123 

email_entropy123@yahoo.com (entropy123) wrote:
>$g->add_edges(qw(a b  a c  b c  c e));
>
>I get a fine result. However, I need to read my values in from a file
>and so have
>
>$input = a b  a c  b c  c e #basically the 'string' my program creates
>from the input file.
>
>$g->add_edges(qw($input));

Then you'll need:
$g->add_edges(split /\s+/, $input); #split $input on whitespaces
or just
$g->add_edges(split $input);

I think that qw($input) translates just to ('$input')




-- 
Matija


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:06:02 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapec@yahoo.com>
Subject: html tables
Message-Id: <tsmucvk2bb78251d8embbrciqhn2vber3q@4ax.com>


I want to ignore some rows in table depending on $filter

  $filter = qr/one|two|four/;
  $simpletable =~ s{(<tr.+?</tr>)}{
    $1 =~ /$filter/ ? '' : $1;
  }iges;

Is there more efficiant way to do the same thing and using perl only?(don't
like idea of capturing $1 and doing substitution with same content)



-- 
Matija


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:01:45 GMT
From: Andras Malatinszky <nobody@dev.null>
Subject: Re: html tables
Message-Id: <3ECF6D1E.40002@dev.null>



Matija Papec wrote:

> I want to ignore some rows in table depending on $filter
> 
>   $filter = qr/one|two|four/;
>   $simpletable =~ s{(<tr.+?</tr>)}{
>     $1 =~ /$filter/ ? '' : $1;
>   }iges;
> 
> Is there more efficiant way to do the same thing and using perl only?(don't
> like idea of capturing $1 and doing substitution with same content)


Would

$simpletable=~s[<tr.+?$filter.+?</tr>][]iges;

work?

There are modules on CPAN for parsing HTML, and I've often seen the 
advice here to use those modules rather than roll your own.







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Date: 24 May 2003 14:11:38 GMT
From: Rene van Leeuwen <r.t.j.van.leeuwenNOSPAM@THANKSplanet.nl>
Subject: incorrect "uninitialised value" error in array
Message-Id: <banuiq$b6d$1@reader11.wxs.nl>

In the following code I get the following errors:
arr[$k]= 2
Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) at ./erathos7.pl line 16.
Use of uninitialized value in modulus (%) at ./erathos7.pl line 18.
Illegal modulus zero at ./erathos7.pl line 18.

As far as I can see both @arr and $j are initialised, also the output
for 'arr[$k]= 2' proves that the array is filled. So I think the error is
incorrect. Can anyone advise me on this, please?
Please do not tell me that I shouldn't use "goto LABEL" I know that, but
this code is a test to be as fast (and ugly) as possible to calculate
prime-numbers. 


      1 #!/usr/bin/perl -w
      2 
      3 my $MAX=250000;
      4 
      5 print "De priemgetallen tussen 1 en $MAX zijn: \n";
      6 my $i=0;
      7 my $k=0;
      8 my @arr=qw(1 2);
      9 my $tel=2;
     10 L01: {
     11 $k++;
     12 $i=$k*2+1;
     13 my $j=0;
     14 print "arr[\$k]= $arr[$k]\n";
     15 my $grens=sqrt($i)+1;
     16 for($j=1; $arr[$j]<$grens;$j++)
     17         {
     18         if(($i%$arr[$j])==0){goto L01;}
     19         }
     20          if($i<=$MAX){
     21                 push(@arr,$i);
     22                 print "$i\t";
     23                 $tel++;
     24                 }
     25         if($i<$MAX) {goto L01;}
     26 }
     27 print "Het aantal priemgetallen onder de $MAX is $tel\n";
     28 

-- 
 ___              _
| _ \___ _ _  ___//
|   / -_) ' \/ -_)  
|_|_\___|_||_\___|  


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:17:43 -0500
From: "Eric J. Roode" <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: o conf urllist
Message-Id: <Xns93854A3C6354Fsdn.comcast@216.166.71.239>

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"Alan Watson" <waty@powerup.com.au> wrote in
news:egCza.335$ES.3231@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

> I can't seem to reset the default ftp site in CPAN. Can anyone tell me
> how? I think the command is something like:
> 
> o conf urllist

Did you RTFM?

- -- 
Eric
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Date: 24 May 2003 10:18:19 GMT
From: Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl>
Subject: Re: Perl and geometry
Message-Id: <slrnbcuhnb.kuj.abigail@alexandra.abigail.nl>

Eric Wilhelm (ericw@nospam.ku.edu) wrote on MMMDLIII September MCMXCIII
in <URL:news:pan.2003.05.23.23.54.41.632676.13926@nospam.ku.edu>:
<>  Are there many programmers using Perl for geometry processing?  It seems
<>  that whenever I search for something like the area of a triangle or
<>  another geometry processing algorithm/method that everything comes back in
<>  C.
<>  
<>  I realize that most of the graphics and modeling applications are going to
<>  use C for the speed in computationally intensive tasks, and I have noticed
<>  big penalties for doing things like for($i=0;$i<1000;$i++){for($j=0 .....
<>  and I have just learned to change the algorithms when possible to avoid
<>  this sort of thing (e.g. it is faster to call two subs from inside the
<>  loop than to have a loop inside of two subs).

That doesn't make any sense, specially not in Perl where calling
subroutines is relatively slow, but in almost any language calling a
subroutine once instead of a million times (assuming the inner loop also
iterations a 1000 times) is faster.

<>                                                 Does C have a huge speed
<>  gain on Perl in iteration?

In C it will be faster. Perl is in many things slower than C, often 
much slower, but for the iteration the difference should be relatively
less.

<>  Most of the work I'm doing is prototype or single-use, so it isn't really
<>  worth all of the trouble of allocating data structures and the other fun
<>  things to do with C that Perl handles for you.  But, it is frustrating
<>  that there seems to be a lack of modules for handling geometry and few
<>  libraries come with a Perl interface.
<>  
<>  Glancing through CPAN, I see only a few mathematics modules and in my
<>  work with SWIG, it seems that most of the scientific use comes from
<>  python and other high-level languages.  But why not Perl?
<>  
<>  It seems like a lot of people associate Perl with Web and therefore don't
<>  think to choose it when learning a language, or that it just isn't taught
<>  in most academic programs.  

Perl is traditionally strong in system administration tasks, web tasks,
and as a "glue" language. Pure Perl is not fast when it comes to doing
numeric computations, and it has a rather large memory overhead if you
have lots of small datastructures. To top it off, it has a clumsy object
model. 

<>  It could also be that I'm not looking in the right places.  Any thoughts?

I spend 10 years in the academic world, half the time as a student, 
half the time as staff, and more than half of the time I was working
in the fields of Computational Geometry and Computational Topology.
I would have noticed if there were a lot of Perl modules doing geometry.

I'm not saying it's impossible to do geometry in Perl, far from that.
But you might want to write parts of it in C for efficiency reasons.



Abigail
-- 
$_ = "\nrekcaH lreP rehtona tsuJ"; my $chop; $chop = sub {print chop; $chop};
$chop -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> ()
-> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> ()


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:20:16 -0500
From: "Eric J. Roode" <REMOVEsdnCAPS@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Perl and geometry
Message-Id: <Xns93854ABC66122sdn.comcast@216.166.71.239>

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Eric Wilhelm <ericw@nospam.ku.edu> wrote in
news:pan.2003.05.23.23.54.41.632676.13926@nospam.ku.edu: 

> I realize that most of the graphics and modeling applications are
> going to use C for the speed in computationally intensive tasks, and I
> have noticed big penalties for doing things like
> for($i=0;$i<1000;$i++){for($j=0 ..... and I have just learned to
> change the algorithms when possible to avoid this sort of thing (e.g.
> it is faster to call two subs from inside the loop than to have a loop
> inside of two subs).  Does C have a huge speed gain on Perl in
> iteration? 

C has a huge speed gain over Perl for just about everything.  Perl is not 
a fast language.

 
> Most of the work I'm doing is prototype or single-use, so it isn't
> really worth all of the trouble of allocating data structures and the
> other fun things to do with C that Perl handles for you.  But, it is
> frustrating that there seems to be a lack of modules for handling
> geometry and few libraries come with a Perl interface.

However, Perl's much easier to program in.  So you already see the trade 
off.

 
> Glancing through CPAN, I see only a few mathematics modules and in my
> work with SWIG, it seems that most of the scientific use comes from
> python and other high-level languages.  But why not Perl?
> 
> It seems like a lot of people associate Perl with Web and therefore
> don't think to choose it when learning a language, or that it just
> isn't taught in most academic programs.  

I don't think it's so much prejudice on the part of programmers as it is 
"that's what people use Perl for".  Perl can certainly be used for 
geometry computations, it's just that not many people have taken the time 
to write CPAN modules to do so.

If you see a need, feel free to fill it!

- -- 
Eric
$_ =  reverse sort qw p ekca lre Js reh ts
p, $/.r, map $_.$", qw e p h tona e; print

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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:41:36 GMT
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@mithril.chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: Perl and geometry
Message-Id: <87brxss8tx.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>

Eric Wilhelm <ericw@nospam.ku.edu> writes:

> Are there many programmers using Perl for geometry processing?  It
> seems that whenever I search for something like the area of a
> triangle or another geometry processing algorithm/method that
> everything comes back in C.

Many people know C, and it's far easier to take code from C to Perl, C
to C++, or C to Java than vice versa.  

> Most of the work I'm doing is prototype or single-use, so it isn't
> really worth all of the trouble of allocating data structures and
> the other fun things to do with C that Perl handles for you.  But,
> it is frustrating that there seems to be a lack of modules for
> handling geometry and few libraries come with a Perl interface.

It's a tradeoff.  C is faster for the computer; Perl is faster for the
programmer.  The reason there are no Perl modules for doing what you
want done is that nobody who wants to do what you want done has yet
seen fit to write modules and make them available.  If you need to do
the work *anyway*, write the module and make it available.

Charlton



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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:28:07 -0500
From: tadmc@augustmail.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: Problem with Addition - doesn't interpret as a number?
Message-Id: <slrnbcupan.2mi.tadmc@magna.augustmail.com>

Dave <nipper1999@aol.com> wrote:

>         @array = split("\t",$_);


A pattern match should *look like* a pattern match:

   @array = split(/\t/, $_);


-- 
    Tad McClellan                          SGML consulting
    tadmc@augustmail.com                   Perl programming
    Fort Worth, Texas


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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:18:57 GMT
From: Bob Walton <bwalton@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with Addition - doesn't interpret as a number?
Message-Id: <3ECF7128.9060508@rochester.rr.com>

Dave wrote:

> AWESOME - you guys rock!  I tried each of these and they both cleaned it right up.
> $array[13]=~ y/\000-\037//d;
> $array[13] =~ y/0-9.-//cd;
> 
> I have two questions:
> (1) How do I know if I have non-printing conrol characters?


You can count them with:

    $number_of_control_characters=$array[13]=~y/\000-\037//d;

That will count all the control characters in $array[13] (in addition to 
deleting them).  Some of the deleted characters (like \012 or \015 or 
\009 etc might have print/display effects on whatever it is you are 
using to look at your data.  Sometimes those effects can be highly 
confusing -- something like "abc\015de" displayed on a typical console 
(Windoze 98SE command window, for example) will show 'dec'.

If you want to see exactly what is in a given string, you could do 
something like:

    print ord.':' for split //,$string;

The second transformation expression above will remove from the array 
element all characters which are not in the set ( digits . - ).  So it 
would mess up numbers like 6.023e-23, for example.  The "c" switch on 
the transformation operator complements the stated character set.  The 
"d" switch says to delete characters for which no replacement was specified.


> (2) What exactly is this matching on?

Those aren't matches, they are transformations.  For detailed 
information, see:

    perldoc perlop

particularly the section on Regexp Quote-Like Operators.  Not sure why 
it's in that section, since it has nothing to do with regexps, but that 
is where it is.

-- 
Bob Walton



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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:06:01 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapec@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: why key is added to hash after defined ?
Message-Id: <4rkucvsjgl0fn4bbfdns4mggmn9et25uos@4ax.com>

X-Ftn-To: Veky 

veky@cromath.math.hr (Veky) wrote:
>|Obviously you weren't.
>
>Yes, I was... but only in one direction. ;-)
>
>|>|I see, you're mathematician.. 
>|>Of course. Is it so obvious:-? :-)
>|I think it is, my math teacher spoke in similar way. :))
>
>ok then. Where are you:-?

I'm not in academic circles if that's what you mean(doing some perl stuff
for smaller firm in varazdin).

>|>Not exactly, but... let's say so.
>|>Math faculty in Zagreb.
>|Cool, kaj se od jezika najvise preferira, C?
>
>OMG... are you aware of which group we are on:-?
>You think mentioning C will pass unnoticed because of Croatian:-? :-))

Um, how careless of me. Did I mention C?, no, actually I don't even know
what C is.

>The best working math-related computer-understandable language in the
>world - perl, of course... :-)

Glad to hear that. :)



-- 
Matija


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