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Today's topics:
Question about File test operators (Sateesh)
Re: Question about File test operators <mbudash@sonic.net>
Re: RegExp Puzzle <abigail@abigail.nl>
Re: RegExp Puzzle <bigj@kamelfreund.de>
Removal or HTML tags from pages (Stephen Adam)
Re: removing last char of string <barryk2@SPAM-KILLER.mts.net>
Re: removing last char of string <uri@stemsystems.com>
Unique Perl Job Opps (Gil Vander Voort)
Re: Unique Perl Job Opps <mjcarman@mchsi.com>
Re: What is good to learn <mail@annuna.com>
Re: What is good to learn <mail@annuna.com>
Re: What is good to learn <mail@annuna.com>
Re: What is good to learn <no@spam.for.me.invalid>
Re: What is good to learn <goedicke@goedsole.com>
Re: What is good to learn <TruthXayer@yahoo.com>
Re: What is this nntp.perl.org thing; seems nifty <usenet@dwall.fastmail.fm>
Re: What is this nntp.perl.org thing; seems nifty <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
what's -e ? <perseus_medusa@hotmail.com>
Re: what's -e ? <no@spam.for.me.invalid>
Re: what's -e ? (Helgi Briem)
Re: what's -e ? <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: what's -e ? <flavell@mail.cern.ch>
Re: what's -e ? <no@spam.for.me.invalid>
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Date: 7 May 2003 08:07:12 -0700
From: trycarb@hotmail.com (Sateesh)
Subject: Question about File test operators
Message-Id: <886b4da0.0305070707.7eb7aec3@posting.google.com>
Hi all,
I have a doubt regarding the usage of -M file test operator in perl :
The following perl code :
1 #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
2 use strict;
3 open(LIS,"ls |") || die "Cannot ls:$! \n";
4 while(<LIS>) {
5 chomp;
6 next if -d;
7 print "$_ \n" if -M < 1; # Question abt this line
8 }
throws up an error :
Warning: Use of "-M" without parens is ambiguous at find.pl line 7.
Unterminated <> operator at find.pl line 7.
If I modify line 7 to
#1
print "$_ \n" if (-M) < 1;
# or 2
print "$_ \n" if -M $_ < 1;
the script works fine.
This usage also doesn't shows any warnings :
#3
print "$_ \n" if -M > 1 ; # Replaced "<" with ">"
Why is it that one need to use parenthesis or use $_ while using <
operator with -M file tests but not when -M file test is coupled with
> ?
Can some one please help me in understanding this.
I am using perl version 5.005_03 on Solaris 2.6 machine .
% perl -v
This is perl, version 5.005_03 built for sun4-solaris
Thanks in advance
sateesh
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:22:41 GMT
From: Michael Budash <mbudash@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Question about File test operators
Message-Id: <mbudash-2C7624.09224207052003@typhoon.sonic.net>
In article <886b4da0.0305070707.7eb7aec3@posting.google.com>,
trycarb@hotmail.com (Sateesh) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a doubt regarding the usage of -M file test operator in perl :
>
> The following perl code :
>
> 1 #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
> 2 use strict;
> 3 open(LIS,"ls |") || die "Cannot ls:$! \n";
> 4 while(<LIS>) {
> 5 chomp;
> 6 next if -d;
> 7 print "$_ \n" if -M < 1; # Question abt this line
> 8 }
>
> throws up an error :
> Warning: Use of "-M" without parens is ambiguous at find.pl line 7.
> Unterminated <> operator at find.pl line 7.
>
> If I modify line 7 to
>
> #1
> print "$_ \n" if (-M) < 1;
>
> # or 2
> print "$_ \n" if -M $_ < 1;
>
> the script works fine.
>
> This usage also doesn't shows any warnings :
> #3
> print "$_ \n" if -M > 1 ; # Replaced "<" with ">"
>
> Why is it that one need to use parenthesis or use $_ while using <
> operator with -M file tests but not when -M file test is coupled with
> > ?
it appears that perl is seeing the '<' in such a context as to interpret
it as the opening bracket in a '<blah>' string, i.e., a glob or
filehandle. using parens changes that context.
no such problem occurs when the operator is '>'.
hth-
--
Michael Budash
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Date: 07 May 2003 13:39:10 GMT
From: Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl>
Subject: Re: RegExp Puzzle
Message-Id: <slrnbbi33u.tib.abigail@alexandra.abigail.nl>
Simon Oliver (simon.oliver@nospam.umist.ac.uk) wrote on MMMDXXXVI
September MCMXCIII in <URL:news:3EB8C87F.3080103@nospam.umist.ac.uk>:
^^ I know this should be simple but I can't figure it out.
^^
^^ I want to replace all occurrence of the percent symbol in a string with
^^ another string. But if the percent symbol is escaped with a backslash I
^^ want to ignore it. Supposing I want to replace each '%' with '!':
^^
^^
^^ foo%bar => foo!bar
^^ foo\%bar => foo%bar
^^ foo%%bar => foo!!bar
^^ foo\%%bar => foo%!bar
^^
^^ I suppose backslashes will need an escape too.
^^
^^ foo\bar => foobar
^^ foo\\bar => foo\bar
^^ foo\%bar => foo%bar
^^ foo\\%bar => foo\!bar
^^ foo\\\%bar => foo\%bar
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
while (<DATA>) {
chomp;
my $orig = $_;
s/([^\\%]+)|\\(.)|%/defined $1 ? $1 : defined $2 ? $2 : "!"/ge;
print "'$orig' -> '$_'\n";
}
__DATA__
foo%bar
foo\%bar
foo%%bar
foo\%%bar
foo\bar
foo\\bar
foo\%bar
foo\\%bar
foo\\\%bar
Running this gives:
'foo%bar' -> 'foo!bar'
'foo\%bar' -> 'foo%bar'
'foo%%bar' -> 'foo!!bar'
'foo\%%bar' -> 'foo%!bar'
'foo\bar' -> 'foobar'
'foo\\bar' -> 'foo\bar'
'foo\%bar' -> 'foo%bar'
'foo\\%bar' -> 'foo\!bar'
'foo\\\%bar' -> 'foo\%bar'
Abigail
--
$_ = "\x3C\x3C\x45\x4F\x54" and s/<<EOT/<<EOT/e and print;
Just another Perl Hacker
EOT
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:07:15 +0200
From: "Janek Schleicher" <bigj@kamelfreund.de>
Subject: Re: RegExp Puzzle
Message-Id: <pan.2003.05.07.13.01.47.350290@kamelfreund.de>
Simon Oliver wrote at Wed, 07 May 2003 09:49:03 +0100:
> I know this should be simple but I can't figure it out.
>
> I want to replace all occurrence of the percent symbol in a string with
> another string. But if the percent symbol is escaped with a backslash I
> want to ignore it. Supposing I want to replace each '%' with '!':
>
>
> foo%bar => foo!bar
> foo\%bar => foo%bar
> foo%%bar => foo!!bar
> foo\%%bar => foo%!bar
>
> I suppose backslashes will need an escape too.
>
> foo\bar => foobar
> foo\\bar => foo\bar
> foo\%bar => foo%bar
> foo\\%bar => foo\!bar
> foo\\\%bar => foo\%bar
Here's a quick and dirty solution:
while (<DATA>) {
chomp( $s = $_ );
s/(\\)?(.)/$1 ? $2 : ($2 eq "%" ? "!" : $2)/ge;
print "$s => $_";
}
__DATA__
foo%bar
foo\%bar
foo%%bar
foo\%%bar
foo\bar
foo\\bar
foo\%bar
foo\\%bar
foo\\\%bar
Cheerio,
Janek
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Date: 7 May 2003 10:40:35 -0700
From: 00056312@brookes.ac.uk (Stephen Adam)
Subject: Removal or HTML tags from pages
Message-Id: <945bf980.0305070940.5431d0b2@posting.google.com>
Hi guys and girls,
Just a quickie. I want to remove all tags, scripts etc from WWW pages
leaving just the text a user would see and maybe parsing some of the
meta content tags, I know the perl cook book has some thing on it (I
may have to buy the book) though I am thinking the "HTML::Parser"
module would be my best bet.
Does anyone know were I can find a good tutorial on the "HTML::Parser"
module?
Thanks for your help in advance, any comments and advice would be
great, cheers.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:26:55 -0500
From: Barry Kimelman <barryk2@SPAM-KILLER.mts.net>
Subject: Re: removing last char of string
Message-Id: <MPG.1922c59a695cb7849897c0@news.mts.net>
[This followup was posted to comp.lang.perl.misc]
In article <vbftue6uvbdj29@corp.supernews.com>, Chris
(chris_12003@yahoo.com) says...
> Is there a way in perl to remove the last character of a string? i.e. if
> $var = "New York," I would want just "New York" without the extra comma.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
chop $var;
--
---------
Barry Kimelman
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
email : bkimelman@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:20:48 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: removing last char of string
Message-Id: <x7issmon27.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "TvP" == Tassilo v Parseval <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de> writes:
>> But be careful about what you chop.
TvP> Yeah, you shouldn't chop human extremities...at least not carelessly. ;-)
unless you are fighting the black knight or editing moronzilla's
code. chop away then!
uri
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Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org
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Date: 7 May 2003 09:01:01 -0700
From: recruiter@coresearchinc.com (Gil Vander Voort)
Subject: Unique Perl Job Opps
Message-Id: <ff4e5af5.0305070801.69041c0c@posting.google.com>
This is a 12 year old company that is offering the best work
environment building systems in the newest in cutting edge technology.
The atmosphere mirrors that of a College. They are offering the best
compensation packages including great bonuses. They are looking for
someone who can build cool stuff that doesnt break. This person will
be working very closely with modeling
Required Skills:
• Perl 5.6 or higher
• Knowledge of regular expressions
• Strong knowledge of Red Hat Linux/Unix/other versions of Linux
• Knowledge of network programming (TCP/IP)
• Knowledge of CVS, Perl/Tk, CGI programming, real time processing
desirable
• Knowledge of C/C++ desirable
Other similar positions will be opening soon
Please apply online at:
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For Questions and comments Please contact:
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Core Search Group, INC.
gil@coresearchinc.com
recruiter@coresearchinc.com
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888-464-9977
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:17:25 -0500
From: Michael Carman <mjcarman@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Unique Perl Job Opps
Message-Id: <b9bbil$s302@onews.collins.rockwell.com>
On 5/7/2003 11:01 AM, Gil Vander Voort wrote:
>
> This is a 12 year old company that is
advertising a job opening in the wrong place.
This is a technical newsgroup, we're here to talk about Perl. If we
wanted to find a job writing Perl, we'd go someplace else, e.g.
http://jobs.perl.org.
-mjc
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:46:41 -0500
From: Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com>
Subject: Re: What is good to learn
Message-Id: <3EB92A61.5060307@annuna.com>
Thank you. Is the fact that perl is a not really a complied language
that is holding it back from being used more for commercial application
programs.
William Goedicke wrote:
> Dear Joe -
>
> Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com> writes:
>
>
>>I would like to be able to get an entry level job programming. I am
>>teaching myself C++ and Perl.
>
>
> Perl and C++ are good languages for creating useful programs if what
> you're looking for is an entry-level programming job you're probably
> better served by learning java. It takes more programmers to get
> things done, so there are more jobs.
>
> Yours - Billy
>
> ============================================================
> William Goedicke goedicke@goedsole.com
> http://www.goedsole.com:8080
> ============================================================
>
> Lest we forget:
>
> There may be no stupid questions, but there's no
> shortage of morons asking them.
>
> - William Goedicke
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:48:59 -0500
From: Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com>
Subject: Re: What is good to learn
Message-Id: <3EB92AEB.50800@annuna.com>
Great be really competitive and I can do what I want. I am planning to
retire from the Army in the next few years and I like programming. I am
not looking to make a lot of money just have a steady income.
Richard Gration wrote:
> What is good to learn?
>
> To crush your enemies, to see dem driven before you, to hear de
> lamentation of deir vimmin.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:56:51 -0500
From: Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com>
Subject: Re: What is good to learn
Message-Id: <3EB92CC3.50400@annuna.com>
Charlton Wilbur wrote:
> Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com> writes:
>
>
>>I would like to be able to get an entry level job programming. I am
>>teaching myself C++ and Perl. I am getting pretty good. I am
>>planning to learn to make GUIs with TK. I am looking for some
>>advice on how much I need to know and what is good for someone to
>>pay me to show up and write code.
>
>
> You need to know as much as possible. I'd say that at a minimum you
> ought to know about various data structures, algorithm complexity,
> parsing and perhaps compiling, and object-oriented design. Some
> operating system design courses will expose you to the problems in
> parallel processing; while it's unlikely you will ever work on an
> operating system, especially in perl, concepts like mutual exclusion
> will serve you well in a distributed environment like the web. You
> also need experience producing clear and maintainable code; this
> usually isn't something you learn unless other people are involved in
> the process. You also ought to be familiar with basic programming in
> several *different* languages -- LISP or Scheme, Smalltalk, C, Eiffel,
> Prolog, and Self. Finally, you need to know how to solve problems,
> how to read for content, and how to do research.
>
> That's probably not the answer you wanted.
>
> Charlton
>
That is a good answer. In perl, I am learning how to create and use
data structures and object oriented design. I think I could write a
program in C++. I plan to retire from the Army in the next few years
and would like a steady income and I like programming things. As a
learning proscess, I am writing a role playing game. It is posted at
www.annuna.com/perl5.
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:05:46 GMT
From: "Nils Petter Vaskinn" <no@spam.for.me.invalid>
Subject: Re: What is good to learn
Message-Id: <pan.2003.05.07.16.05.45.990674@spam.for.me.invalid>
On Tue, 06 May 2003 12:09:55 -0500, Joe Creaney wrote:
> I need to know and what is good for someone to pay me to show up and
> write code.
You'll probably need to take an exam, certification or have some program
you wrote to show. If someone is going to hire you they'll want proof that
you can program. Either you have to have some piece of paper to show them,
or you can go "Look at this, I made this"
hth
NPV
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:12:03 GMT
From: William Goedicke <goedicke@goedsole.com>
Subject: Re: What is good to learn
Message-Id: <m3k7d23fed.fsf@mail.goedsole.com>
Dear Joe -
Don't top post. Add your comments below what you're responding to;
imagine if the books you read had their paragraphs in random order.
Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com> writes:
> William Goedicke wrote:
>
> > you're looking for is an entry-level programming job you're probably
> > better served by learning java. It takes more programmers to get
> > things done, so there are more jobs.
>
> Thank you. Is the fact that perl is a not really a complied language
> that is holding it back from being used more for commercial
> application programs.
No. It's a cultural phenomenon among people in decision-making roles.
For an industry specific explanation you can read "The Mythical
Man-Month", and for the background theory I recommend "Das Kapital" by
Karl Marx.
Yours - Billy
============================================================
William Goedicke goedicke@goedsole.com
http://www.goedsole.com:8080
============================================================
Lest we forget:
In order to be valued at work you must get into the revenue
stream.
- William Goedicke
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:20:46 -0700
From: TruthXayer <TruthXayer@yahoo.com>
To: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@mithril.chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: What is good to learn
Message-Id: <3EB9406E.B73102D8@yahoo.com>
Charlton Wilbur wrote:
>
> Joe Creaney <mail@annuna.com> writes:
>
> > I would like to be able to get an entry level job programming. I am
> > teaching myself C++ and Perl.
> You also ought to be familiar with basic programming in
> several *different* languages -- LISP or Scheme, Smalltalk, C, Eiffel,
> Prolog, and Self.
Wow! Are there jobs in LISP,C, and Prolog still around?
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:44:26 -0000
From: "David K. Wall" <usenet@dwall.fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: What is this nntp.perl.org thing; seems nifty
Message-Id: <Xns9374631677E5Adkwwashere@216.168.3.30>
Tassilo v. Parseval <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
[re nntp.perl.org]
> Ideally you have your newsreader configured to use this newsserver
> and then subscribe to some of the groups (mailing-lists) there.
> This server should give you a list of available lists if you
> request it. perl-xs@perl.org for instance is the address of the
> mailing-list. On nntp.perl.org the group name is perl.xs.
Do you have to be subscribed to the list to post via NNTP? I know that
at one point you didn't have to be, but the last time I tried to
respond with my newsreader I never saw my response appear.
--
David K. Wall
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Date: 7 May 2003 15:09:32 GMT
From: "Tassilo v. Parseval" <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
Subject: Re: What is this nntp.perl.org thing; seems nifty
Message-Id: <b9b7jc$1ik$1@nets3.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE>
Also sprach David K. Wall:
> Tassilo v. Parseval <tassilo.parseval@rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
> [re nntp.perl.org]
>> Ideally you have your newsreader configured to use this newsserver
>> and then subscribe to some of the groups (mailing-lists) there.
>> This server should give you a list of available lists if you
>> request it. perl-xs@perl.org for instance is the address of the
>> mailing-list. On nntp.perl.org the group name is perl.xs.
>
> Do you have to be subscribed to the list to post via NNTP? I know that
> at one point you didn't have to be, but the last time I tried to
> respond with my newsreader I never saw my response appear.
A good question actually. I think you have to be, yes. But a plain
subscription might not be enough. I remember being subscribed to some
lists and still not being able to post via nntp.news.org. I had to
subscribe several times to the list (each time with slight variations in
capitalization of my email address) till I was eventually able to post
both via mail and news.
Tassilo
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:37:56 +0800
From: "j" <perseus_medusa@hotmail.com>
Subject: what's -e ?
Message-Id: <3eb919ab@newsgate.hknet.com>
Hi all ,
I saw some source file is like :
while (-e file_name) {....}
while (-w file_name) {....}
( But I cannot remember well if it's really -e and -w. )
So what does this means ?
Thanks.
Perseus
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:39:36 GMT
From: "Nils Petter Vaskinn" <no@spam.for.me.invalid>
Subject: Re: what's -e ?
Message-Id: <pan.2003.05.07.14.39.36.373555@spam.for.me.invalid>
On Wed, 07 May 2003 22:37:56 +0800, j wrote:
> ( But I cannot remember well if it's really -e and -w. )
> So what does this means ?
perldoc -f -X
explains that better than I am able to
hth
NPV
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:39:58 GMT
From: helgi@decode.is (Helgi Briem)
Subject: Re: what's -e ?
Message-Id: <3eb91a08.2331929477@news.cis.dfn.de>
On Wed, 7 May 2003 22:37:56 +0800, "j"
<perseus_medusa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I saw some source file is like :
>
>while (-e file_name) {....}
while file_name exists
>while (-w file_name) {....}
while file_name is writable by current user
-e and -w are among many file test operators.
They are documented in perldoc -f -X
--
Regards, Helgi Briem
helgi DOT briem AT decode DOT is
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:45:46 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: what's -e ?
Message-Id: <u_8ua.5221$Zb5.5033@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>
j wrote:
> I saw some source file is like :
>
> while (-e file_name) {....}
> while (-w file_name) {....}
> So what does this means ?
Did you ask The Fine Manual?
perldoc -f -X
jue
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:57:47 +0200
From: "Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@mail.cern.ch>
Subject: Re: what's -e ?
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305071651530.22309@lxplus013.cern.ch>
On Wed, May 7, Jürgen Exner inscribed on the eternal scroll:
> > while (-w file_name) {....}
> > So what does this means ?
>
> Did you ask The Fine Manual?
>
> perldoc -f -X
Well, you know that and I know that, and - mostly - perldoc is
intuitive once one has a couple of general recipies (-f and -q); but
in this case I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect newcomers to
know how to search for the file test operations without prior
instruction.
IMHO.
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:00:54 GMT
From: "Nils Petter Vaskinn" <no@spam.for.me.invalid>
Subject: Re: what's -e ?
Message-Id: <pan.2003.05.07.16.00.54.205627@spam.for.me.invalid>
On Wed, 07 May 2003 16:57:47 +0200, Alan J. Flavell wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, Jürgen Exner inscribed on the eternal scroll:
>> Did you ask The Fine Manual?
>>
>> perldoc -f -X
>
> Well, you know that and I know that, and - mostly - perldoc is intuitive
> once one has a couple of general recipies (-f and -q); but in this case
> I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect newcomers to know how to search
> for the file test operations without prior instruction.
>
> IMHO.
Agree, but the explanation in perldoc is suficcient so instead of using
effort to explain things here it's better to tell OP exactly where the
explanation is. It's not like Jürgen just flamed the OP or anything.
NP
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perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
answer them even if I did know the answer.
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