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Today's topics:
Re: a good perl editor - know one?? <edh-xy@home.com>
Re: a good perl editor - know one?? <wwonko@rdwarf.com>
ANNOUNCE: Parse-Yapp-1.05 released <francois@fdesar.net>
Best language for low IQ programmers? (Brian Metc)
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <torrebld@unbc.ca>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <nobody@nowhere.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <mspight@dnai.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <palaste@cc.helsinki.fi>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? (Marc Bissonnette)
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <mspight@dnai.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <arnet@hpcvplnx.cv.hp.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <m a r i o . g r g i c @h o m e . c o m>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <brlspam@yahoo.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <tim@vegeta.ath.cx>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <alain.d@bluewin.ch>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <jconnelly@nc.rr.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <jconnelly@nc.rr.com>
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? (Charles Krug)
Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Re: Can you help optimize this?? <mjcarman@home.com>
Re: Cookies again <mbudash@sonic.net>
Re: Failed scripts leave Perl behind (Ralph Snart)
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:24:48 GMT
From: "Ed Hougardy" <edh-xy@home.com>
Subject: Re: a good perl editor - know one??
Message-Id: <AsDF7.23644$Tb.12655574@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com>
Take a look at JEdit. -- Open Source programmer's text editor
http://jedit.sourceforge.net/
Lots of features.
"Paul Spitalny" <pauls@cascadelinear.com> wrote in message
news:3BE6CAB2.647FD684@cascadelinear.com...
> Hi,
> Anyone know of a text editor (For a windows platform) specifically
> targeted to PERL that has features like color coding of key works and
> other nice development aids?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Louis Erickson <wwonko@rdwarf.com>
Subject: Re: a good perl editor - know one??
Message-Id: <9s6umt$aca$1@holly.rdwarf.com>
Paul Spitalny <pauls@cascadelinear.com> wrote:
: Hi,
: Anyone know of a text editor (For a windows platform) specifically
: targeted to PERL that has features like color coding of key works and
: other nice development aids?
Once again, I'll reccomend Komodo by ActiveState. If I recall properly
there is a "personal use" version which is free, but the others cost
money. Much more than an editor, it has a debugger, a little project
manager, and it does other languages besides Perl. The only problems
I'm aware with it are that it's based on Mozilla, and therefore a little
slow, and a little disc-hungry.
If I already have it open, I'll also fess up and admit that I use
the Microsoft Developer's Studio for Perl. If you've already got it
then it does okay.
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:54:48 +0100
From: François Désarménien <francois@fdesar.net>
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Parse-Yapp-1.05 released
Message-Id: <tue1dkf3s8o146@corp.supernews.com>
Parse-Yapp-1.05 has just been uploaded to CPAN. It should be
available soon on your nearest CPAN mirror.
This new version only includes a bugfixes for the lexer to accept
'\\' litteral tokens. No need to upgrade if you don't need it !
No other bugs have been reported since 1.02 a year an a half :
the code seems *very* stable now.
If you have questions or ideas on how to improve Parse::Yapp, don't
hesitate to email me.
Enjoy,
François Désarménien
Here is the README file:
Parse::Yapp - Parse::Yapp Yet Another Perl Parser compiler
Compiles yacc-like LALR grammars to generate Perl OO parser modules.
COPYRIGHT
(c) 1998-2001 Francois Desarmenien, all rights reserved.
(see the Copyright section in Yapp.pm for usage and distribution rights)
IMPORTANT NOTES
The Parse::Yapp pod section is the main documentation and it assumes
you already have a good knowledge of yacc. If not, I suggest the GNU
Bison manual which is a very good tutorial to LALR parsing and yacc
grammar syntax.
The yapp frontend has its own documentation using either 'perldoc yapp'
or (on systems with man pages) 'man yapp'.
Any help on improving those documentations is very welcome.
DESCRIPTION
This is production release 1.05 of the Parse::Yapp parser generator.
It lets you create Perl OO fully reentrant LALR(1) parser modules
(see the Yapp.pm pod pages for more details) and has been designed to
be functionally as close as possible to yacc, but using the full power
of Perl and opened for enhancements.
REQUIREMENTS
Requires perl5.004 or better :)
It is written only in Perl, with standard distribution modules, so you
don't need any compiler nor special modules.
INSTALLATION
perl Makefile.PL
make
make test
make install
WARRANTY
This software comes with absolutly NO WARRANTY of any kind.
I just hope it can be useful.
FEEDBACK
Send feedback, comments, bug reports, pizze and postcards to:
Francois Desarmenien <francois@fdesar.net>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:54:36 -0600
From: BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc)
Subject: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <1004990076967295@aol.com>
I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am
pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
for me.
My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was a language going out of the
market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
stuff is always easier.
Would any one sugest the best language for me.
Brian
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:10:36 -0800
From: "Daniel Torreblanca" <torrebld@unbc.ca>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <341DCBB5A5FBD411900F00034707FFB605207046@xserv.unbc.ca>
I don't see you getting into programming at all. If it's a "money
issue", don't except to make lots of money (or any for that matter). You get
a job and you get paid according to what your employer wants and needs, not
what you are capable of. As a programmer, it is almost necessary to know a
few different languages, or at least different applications of one language.
If you don't think you can do something like C or C++, stay out of the
field. Consider web design.
I don't think C or C++ are inherently "difficult". The thing is that
they are such powerful languages and their applications are so widespread
that it may seem overwhelming at first. But once you learn one language, the
transition to others is much less tedious.
--
Daniel
"I am so amazingly cool you could
keep a side of meat in me for a
month. I am so hip I have difficulty
seeing over my pelvis."
"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn
Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was a language going
out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
>
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
> Brian
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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:22:32 +1000
From: "Gregory Toomey" <nobody@nowhere.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <AvCF7.111151$g8.76742@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>
"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
Any Microsoft language is suitable -VB in particular is perfect for managers
and stoopid people.
Here at comp.lang.perl.misc we deal with regular expression backtracking,
polymorphism, & closures as objects - too advanced for someone like you.
gtoomey
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:31:10 GMT
From: "Marshall Spight" <mspight@dnai.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <iGCF7.23838$wj5.13647496@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
Is this some kind of joke?
Marshall
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Date: 5 Nov 2001 20:35:43 GMT
From: Joona I Palaste <palaste@cc.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <9s6t6v$80u$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>
(crossposting snipped a bit)
Gregory Toomey <nobody@nowhere.com> scribbled the following
on comp.lang.java.programmer:
> "Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
>> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
> low IQ due to
>> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
> stuped, I am
>> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
>> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
>> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
>> for me.
> Any Microsoft language is suitable -VB in particular is perfect for managers
> and stoopid people.
> Here at comp.lang.perl.misc we deal with regular expression backtracking,
> polymorphism, & closures as objects - too advanced for someone like you.
I believe VB users have never heard of such things. A VB programmer is
considered to have expert programming knowledge when he knows how to put
an icon into the taskbar.
But if you want to go to real PHB level, start talking about HTML as a
programming language. I've heard rumours of that happening in real life.
--
/-- Joona Palaste (palaste@cc.helsinki.fi) ---------------------------\
| Kingpriest of "The Flying Lemon Tree" G++ FR FW+ M- #108 D+ ADA N+++|
| http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste W++ B OP+ |
\----------------------------------------- Finland rules! ------------/
"It was, er, quite bookish."
- Horace Boothroyd
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:29:04 GMT
From: dragnet@internalysis.com (Marc Bissonnette)
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <Xns91509E232C671dragnetinternalysisc@207.35.177.135>
"Daniel Torreblanca" <torrebld@unbc.ca> wrote in
news:341DCBB5A5FBD411900F00034707FFB605207046@xserv.unbc.ca:
> I don't see you getting into programming at all. If it's a "money
> issue", don't except to make lots of money (or any for that matter).
> You get a job and you get paid according to what your employer wants
> and needs, not what you are capable of. As a programmer, it is almost
> necessary to know a few different languages, or at least different
> applications of one language. If you don't think you can do something
> like C or C++, stay out of the field. Consider web design.
>
> I don't think C or C++ are inherently "difficult". The thing is
> that
> they are such powerful languages and their applications are so
> widespread that it may seem overwhelming at first. But once you learn
> one language, the transition to others is much less tedious.
Daniel's got the right gist of this.
You don't get into programming just because of the money. At best, if
that's all you're in it for, you'll be a mediocre programmer and that's
assuming you're a real bookworm to learn all the 'textbook' answers.
A ***really good*** programmer is into it because (s)he really enjoys it.
That's where the innovative solutions come from: Because someone enjoys the
language they code in so much that they are specifically *not* limited
solely to what the textbooks suggest are the answers.
Me, I chose Perl as my primary language after 'growing up' through basic,
Pascal, and Turbo Pascal. I chose Perl because it's all about manipulating
data (well, they're all about that, I mean text data, primarily) and
because it is a very logical language. The support for Perl is phenominal,
as well, esp. in NG's like comp.lang.perl.misc, as long as you're willing
to work for your answer (i.e. show the code you've tried to date and be
perfectly willing to wade through a FAQ or three if your question is mind-
numbingly common).
If you're just looking for money in a career, go and get yourself an MBA
and become a manager, somewhere :)
--
----------------------------
Marc Bissonnette
InternAlysis
Intelligence in Internet Communications
http://www.internalysis.com
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:42:23 GMT
From: "Marshall Spight" <mspight@dnai.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <PQCF7.23904$wj5.13662380@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
"Joona I Palaste" <palaste@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote in message news:9s6t6v$80u$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi...
> But if you want to go to real PHB level, start talking about HTML as a
> programming language. I've heard rumours of that happening in real life.
I hear that *all* the *time.* Sigh.
Marshall
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Date: 5 Nov 2001 20:38:13 GMT
From: <arnet@hpcvplnx.cv.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <9s6tbl$ga2$1@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>
In comp.lang.java.programmer Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
This sounds a *lot* like a troll to me. The proper use of "amongst" seems
to favor the troll theory, despite the amusing misspellings. But maybe
I'm being unfair.
Anyway, all computer languages are the same conceptually. One either
"gets" the concept of giving a machine a list of instructions to follow,
or one doesn't. So I'd recommend you try whichever language requires
the least investment and see if you "get it". Java is free. So are
many others. Pick any of them, and see if you "get it". You'll know.
I do have to admit that I've met few stupid programmers, but I have met
many intelligent folks who don't "get" programming. Nothing wrong with
it. I don't consider myself stupid, but I am unable to walk into a
room and figure out which person is most likely to buy something from
me. I've met folks in marketing to whom this is so obvious they have
a hard time explaining how. And they get paid more than me! ;-)
--arne
DISCLAIMER: These opinions and statements are those of the author and
do not represent any views or positions of the Hewlett-Packard Co.
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:56:22 -0500
From: "Mario Grgic" <m a r i o . g r g i c @h o m e . c o m>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <3be6fcf8$1@news.sentex.net>
"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn
Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was a language going
out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
>
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
> Brian
>
I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler for English. Then
you'll have a chance.
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Date: 05 Nov 2001 15:56:52 -0500
From: Bruce Lewis <brlspam@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <nm93d3t9bsb.fsf@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu>
BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) writes:
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I
> have low IQ due to early childhool learning deprivation and TV
> overdose.
Sounds like programming is not for you. You should find other ways to
amuse yourself. For example, it might be fun to crosspost an incendiary
message to various programming language newsgroups, sit back, and watch
the mindless language war that ensues. In fact, that way you're likely
to encounter other low-IQ folks who are into programming.
Oh, wait. You've already done that. Never mind.
P.S. What's this "nyc.food" programming language? I've never heard of
it.
--
Bruce R. Lewis <brlewis@[(if (brl-related? message)
"users.sourceforge.net"
"alum.mit.edu")]> http://brl.sourceforge.net/
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:04:50 GMT
From: Tim Hammerquist <tim@vegeta.ath.cx>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <slrn9ue04i.n4g.tim@vegeta.ath.cx>
Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> graced us by uttering:
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I
> have low IQ due to early childhool learning deprivation and TV
> overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am pretty good amongst my
> friends, but not solving problems. You know what I mean. Anyways, I
> want to go into computor programing because of money issue. I now need
> to choose languege for programming, simple enough for me.
"learning deprivation"? You were deprived of learning?
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual
> Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I
> learn Ada because it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
Heh. "Fool proof." Now _that's_ funny in any language.
[ snipped standard issue troll bait re. Ada & Eiffel ]
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on
> hype.
A bold statement for any but a troll, no matter how much I might agree.
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under
> Windows, Microsoft stuff is always easier.
Nice. You'll go far. (Too bad it's just a troll.)
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
i8088 assembly language is definitely the most efficient, easiest
language someone of your calibre intellect could learn.
Ya know, the spelling errors are fun to watch, but the fact that the
OP used "perl" instead of "PERL" means he can't be all that dumb.
Tim Hammerquist
--
Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:50:54 -0500
From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <9s6u3h$i7u$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
It looks an awful lot like a troll to me. "Gee - let's see if we can get
folks arguing about which is the stupidest programming language by posting
to several language groups..."
If not, I'd suggest the question should be rephrased to be less inciteful.
(Something more along the lines of "What are the advantages to learning
language X if my goal is Y..." might be less apt to start a language war.)
Otherwise, we're better off ignoring it.
MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web: http://www.mcondic.com/
"Daniel Torreblanca" <torrebld@unbc.ca> wrote in message
news:341DCBB5A5FBD411900F00034707FFB605207046@xserv.unbc.ca...
>
> I don't see you getting into programming at all. If it's a "money
> issue", don't except to make lots of money (or any for that matter). You
get
> a job and you get paid according to what your employer wants and needs,
not
> what you are capable of. As a programmer, it is almost necessary to know a
> few different languages, or at least different applications of one
language.
> If you don't think you can do something like C or C++, stay out of the
> field. Consider web design.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:31:54 +0100
From: "Alain D" <alain.d@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <3be70595$1_4@news.bluewin.ch>
Brian, te me you sound like the Duc in "The big Lebowski" movie. In the
english version, he was called dude I think(I'm french speaking).
So what I mean is at first glance you look very stupid but, next, maybe, you
could be as clever as the person in this movie. (watch it if you did'nt yet
and you'll see what I mean).
You are very lazy so you want to use your brain to work as less as possible.
Am I right ?
Then Eiffel is the right tool for you. The more you use the power of it, the
less you work.
Unfortunately, it will take you a period of 3 or 4 years to handle the
object philosophy starting with the basis of programming (unless you have
160 of IQ).
Unfortunatelly, only few companies are working with Eiffel, so for the
money, maybe you rather making movies !
Alain
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:36:48 -0500
From: "Jeff Connelly" <jconnelly@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <WCDF7.52445$Z2.796473@nnrp1.uunet.ca>
"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low
IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada
because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was a language going out
of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
Wow what a troll.
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:40:52 -0500
From: "Jeff Connelly" <jconnelly@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <KGDF7.52447$Z2.796713@nnrp1.uunet.ca>
<arnet@hpcvplnx.cv.hp.com> wrote in message
news:9s6tbl$ga2$1@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com...
> In comp.lang.java.programmer Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
> > I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> > early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> > pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems.
> This sounds a *lot* like a troll to me. The proper use of "amongst" seems
> to favor the troll theory, despite the amusing misspellings. But maybe
> I'm being unfair.
I thought the spelling of "stuped" was rather unrefined - a bit heavy-handed,
wouldn't you say? "learning deprivation"? "TV overdose"?
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Date: 05 Nov 2001 21:48:22 GMT
From: charles@pentek.com (Charles Krug)
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <slrn9ue296.i1s.charles@homer.pentek.com>
On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:54:36 -0600, Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
> Brian
>
I think Phoenitic Polynesian has the simplest spelling and syntax, though the
expressiveness of the language is belied by its simplicity.
Make sure you learn Standard. Don't get sucked into any particular vendor's
specialized version. The famous M version (Margaret Meade) had some
oversights in the earlier versions that have since been corrected.
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:53:41 -0500
From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?
Message-Id: <9s71p8$jj9$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
Actually, a *good* troll would have sucked hundreds of angry, incensed
replies out of the net by now and nobody would have seen it coming. A "good"
troll wouldn't look so obviously like a troll - or been so irresistable that
even as an obvious troll it would *still* inflame and incense the masses.
I am reminded of the chain-email begging for money for a boy who was just a
head with a burlap bag stuffed with leaves for a body. Except this one
doesn't even have humor working for it.
MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web: http://www.mcondic.com/
"Jeff Connelly" <jconnelly@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:WCDF7.52445$Z2.796473@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>
> Wow what a troll.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:11:31 -0600
From: Michael Carman <mjcarman@home.com>
Subject: Re: Can you help optimize this??
Message-Id: <3BE6E463.61EF92B9@home.com>
Rob wrote:
>
> $array_of_abrev[0]="PA";
> $array_of_abrev[1]="PN";
> $array_of_abrev[3]="PR";
> $array_of_abrev[4]="PT";
>
> $list_of_cust_ids[0]="A95412";
>
> $cust_config{$list_of_cust_ids[0]}= "AB,AC,AF,GR,PR";
>
> Now.. When my code does it's work, this is the logic:
>
> foreach $cust (@list_of_cust_ids) {
> foreach $abrev (@array_of_abrev) {
> if (index($cust_config{$cust},$abrev) > -1) {
> #PROCESS THE DATA
> }
> }
> }
>
> The goal is to only do the work when [...] $abrev for $cust ("PR")
> exists within $cust_config{$cust}
>
> I realize the index function is a pig but I need to know that PR
> exists so I can do my other work.
One option is to use a regex:
if ($cust_config{$cust} =~ /$abrev/) {
#...
}
but I don't know how that compares to index() for speed, especially
since it will be recompiled every time. You'd have to benchmark it.
My recommended approach is to modify your data structure. Instead of
having %cust_config contain a merged list, change it to a HoH:
$cust_config{$list_of_cust_ids[0]} = {
AB => 1,
AC => 1,
AF => 1,
GR => 1,
PR => 1,
};
And later:
foreach $abrev (@array_of_abrev) {
if ($cust_config{$cust}{$abrev}) {
#...
}
}
-mjc
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:42:36 GMT
From: Michael Budash <mbudash@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Cookies again
Message-Id: <mbudash-332148.11424105112001@news.sonic.net>
In article <9s6kp2$16m$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, "Marianne Sisto"
<msisto@chat.carleton.ca> wrote:
> Hi, thanks for the previous information. However, I need to store for
> each
> user, a list of courses. I have these
> courses stored in an array. How can I store the data from an array into
> a
> cookie?
> Thank you
>
>
>
cookies store strings. "flatten" the array into a string, and
"unflatten" it when you need it later. e.g., assuming no array element
can contain a tab:
$flattened_array = join ("\t", @array);
.
.
.
@unflattened_array = split (/\t/, @flattened_array);
if any array element can contain a tab, use some delimiter that *can't*
be in an element.
hth-
--
Michael Budash ~~~~~~~~~~ mbudash@sonic.net
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Date: 05 Nov 2001 20:36:11 GMT
From: snart@nospam.com (Ralph Snart)
Subject: Re: Failed scripts leave Perl behind
Message-Id: <slrn9udu1u.24r2.snart@cluttered.com>
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:15:22 -0500, Ken <perl@omnibus-systems.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the test. I am curious how apache knows you have left the
>page? Could I impose on you to try an endless loop that does not do
>I/O?
ok i just tried that and the perl script does persist forever.
so i guess the answer is: don't do that :)
-rs-
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