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Today's topics:
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <uri@sysarch.com>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) (John Joseph Trammell)
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <kellikellin@netscape.net>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <uri@sysarch.com>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <hartleh1@westat.com>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-) <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Looking for a tutorial on connecting to a database with <simon-carlisle@*REMOVEME*lineone.net>
Re: perl hacker wanted <iltzu@sci.invalid>
Re: Perl Interface to C++ <news@simonflack.com>
Re: RegEx novice <graham.wood@iona.com>
Re: RegEx novice <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
STDERR to file and to shell <tobi@tobster.de>
Wierd one Solaris compared to Cobalt Raq4 <tailorontap@pantsbtinternet.com>
Re: Wierd one Solaris compared to Cobalt Raq4 <tibbs@freenet.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:15:34 +0100
From: "Karl Young" <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <987167894.10678.0.nnrp-01.c2ded7c2@news.demon.co.uk>
"Gwyn Judd" <tjla@guvfybir.qlaqaf.bet> wrote in message
news:slrn9dcobj.tmd.tjla@thislove.dyndns.org...
I was shocked! How could Karl Young karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
say such a terrible thing:
>Well, Laziness would be the virtue that makes people not want to >waste
>time asking frequently asked or off-topic questions. Laziness is the
>virtue that makes you go to great lengths to reduce overall energy
>expenditure. A Laze person will lurk for a few weeks so as not to >waste
the time of the other newsgroup denizens.
A lazy person wouldn't lurk for a few weeks, it would be too much hassle &
require too much energy.
>Impatience is the anger you feel when the computer is being lazy.
>Naturally it is slower to ask a question on a newsgroup when it is
>clearly answered in an FAQ or would be better answered in a more
>specific newsgroup.
An impatient person would want to ask their question now not in three weeks
time.
>Finally, Hubris is the virtue of pride. Pride is the sort of thing that
>enables me to plonk idiots like you in public for asking too many >stupid
ass questions like this one.
Hubris is the quality which enables me to laugh at people such as youself
who really need to lighten up a little (is this familiar?). It is
interesting, although not surprising, that programming newsgroup members
seem to be the most uptight, & will spend time berating people for not
following the rules, when they could just as easily have spent the time
answering the question in the first place.........but, of course, why should
they? I am a long time user of Usenet under various guises & my background
prior to IT was in psychoanalysis, which is of course why I don't find these
responses surprising. Plonk me in public as much as you like, call me names,
if you like, after all we're only human.
--
Karl
"Sit Deus propitius Huic potatori !"
--The Arch-poet(fl. 1159-67)
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:48:48 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <x7y9t4nc5b.fsf@home.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "KY" == Karl Young <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk> writes:
KY> Hubris is the quality which enables me to laugh at people such as
KY> youself who really need to lighten up a little (is this
KY> familiar?). It is interesting, although not surprising, that
KY> programming newsgroup members seem to be the most uptight, & will
KY> spend time berating people for not following the rules, when they
KY> could just as easily have spent the time answering the question in
KY> the first place.........but, of course, why should they? I am a
KY> long time user of Usenet under various guises & my background
KY> prior to IT was in psychoanalysis, which is of course why I don't
KY> find these responses surprising. Plonk me in public as much as you
KY> like, call me names, if you like, after all we're only human. --
okay, that seems to me that you will now volunteer all your energies to
patiently answering all the newbie and off topic questions. we regulars
are obviously underskilled compared to you. please, use your
psychoanalysis as much as you can when figuring out why a newbie refuses
to rtfm or lurk first or stop top posting or shows any other common
trait that is disliked here. we would love to see you in the trenches
correcting all those social errors so we can focus on the perl. when do
you start? the pay is lousy and the public gratification is next to
nil. your contract is for 12 months or until you give up, whichever
comes first. i bet you don't last 3 hours. try it. answer politely and
correctly EVERY newbie post here. i will reserve the luxury padded cell
for you.
uri
--
Uri Guttman --------- uri@sysarch.com ---------- http://www.sysarch.com
SYStems ARCHitecture and Stem Development ------ http://www.stemsystems.com
Learn Advanced Object Oriented Perl from Damian Conway - Boston, July 10-11
Class and Registration info: http://www.sysarch.com/perl/OOP_class.html
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:54:11 GMT
From: trammell@bayazid.hypersloth.invalid (John Joseph Trammell)
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <slrn9ddv48.7ob.trammell@bayazid.hypersloth.net>
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:15:34 +0100, Karl Young wrote:
Heh. Karl Young. Real name, or just being cute? :-)
> A lazy person wouldn't lurk for a few weeks, it would be too much
> hassle & require too much energy.
>
> An impatient person would want to ask their question now not in
> three weeks time.
>
> Hubris is the quality which enables me to laugh at people such as
> youself who really need to lighten up a little (is this familiar?).
Laziness, hubris, and impatience all say "my time is more important
than your time". That's appropriate in dealing with computers, but
an ineffective attitude with which to approach people. I suspect
this even applies outside Usenet.
--
According to the Genesis account, the tower of Babel was man's second
major engineering undertaking, after Noah's ark. Babel was the first
engineering fiasco.
- F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:18:05 -0500
From: Cameron Dorey <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <3AD70A9D.10491FDC@mail.uca.edu>
Karl Young wrote:
>
> It is
> interesting, although not surprising, that programming newsgroup members
> seem to be the most uptight, & will spend time berating people for not
> following the rules, when they could just as easily have spent the time
> answering the question in the first place.........but, of course, why should
> they?
Why do programmers "program" in the first place? (From my own
experience) largely because they don't want to do the same calculations
10^8 times manually, and they want the computer to do it for them. Why
do they berate clueless questioners for not following the rules? Because
they don't want to read/answer the same questions 10^8 times manually
and they want the questioner to look up the answer for his/herself.
I am a long time user of Usenet under various guises & my background
> prior to IT was in psychoanalysis, which is of course why I don't find these
> responses surprising. Plonk me in public as much as you like, call me names,
> if you like, after all we're only human.
Why are responses like yours not generally appreciated by the regulars
here? Because they are "working" here and leave the humor largely for
more recreational newsgroups/pursuits.
> --
>
> Karl
> "Sit Deus propitius Huic potatori !"
> --The Arch-poet(fl. 1159-67)
Commentaries on pototoes as chairs (no matter how convenient) are off
topic here, as they are more appropriate for alt.furniture.tubers.
Cameron
--
Cameron Dorey
Associate Professor of Chemistry
University of Central Arkansas
Phone: 501-450-5938
camerond@mail.uca.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:06:19 -0500
From: kelli norman <kellikellin@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <3AD6F9CB.D058623@netscape.net>
this crap is WAY more annoying than any off topic question. what the
heck are you doing here if it's not to help? i've seen legitimate
questions that may have belonged to another group cruelly slammed on
this group. why? does it make you feel authoritative? can you
remember way back when you were a perl novice - didn't you ask "off
topic" or "newbie" questions? maybe we should create a new group:
comp.lang.perl.if-you-dont-already-know-the-answer-dont-ask
okay. i'm done. fire away.
k
--
Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> >>>>> "KY" == Karl Young <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk> writes:
>
> KY> Hubris is the quality which enables me to laugh at people such as
> KY> youself who really need to lighten up a little (is this
> KY> familiar?). It is interesting, although not surprising, that
> KY> programming newsgroup members seem to be the most uptight, & will
> KY> spend time berating people for not following the rules, when they
> KY> could just as easily have spent the time answering the question in
> KY> the first place.........but, of course, why should they? I am a
> KY> long time user of Usenet under various guises & my background
> KY> prior to IT was in psychoanalysis, which is of course why I don't
> KY> find these responses surprising. Plonk me in public as much as you
> KY> like, call me names, if you like, after all we're only human. --
>
> okay, that seems to me that you will now volunteer all your energies to
> patiently answering all the newbie and off topic questions. we regulars
> are obviously underskilled compared to you. please, use your
> psychoanalysis as much as you can when figuring out why a newbie refuses
> to rtfm or lurk first or stop top posting or shows any other common
> trait that is disliked here. we would love to see you in the trenches
> correcting all those social errors so we can focus on the perl. when do
> you start? the pay is lousy and the public gratification is next to
> nil. your contract is for 12 months or until you give up, whichever
> comes first. i bet you don't last 3 hours. try it. answer politely and
> correctly EVERY newbie post here. i will reserve the luxury padded cell
> for you.
>
> uri
>
> --
> Uri Guttman --------- uri@sysarch.com ---------- http://www.sysarch.com
> SYStems ARCHitecture and Stem Development ------ http://www.stemsystems.com
> Learn Advanced Object Oriented Perl from Damian Conway - Boston, July 10-11
> Class and Registration info: http://www.sysarch.com/perl/OOP_class.html
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:44:11 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <x7u23sn9l0.fsf@home.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "kn" == kelli norman <kellikellin@netscape.net> writes:
kn> this crap is WAY more annoying than any off topic question. what
kn> the heck are you doing here if it's not to help? i've seen
kn> legitimate questions that may have belonged to another group
kn> cruelly slammed on this group. why? does it make you feel
kn> authoritative? can you remember way back when you were a perl
kn> novice - didn't you ask "off topic" or "newbie" questions? maybe
kn> we should create a new group:
kn> comp.lang.perl.if-you-dont-already-know-the-answer-dont-ask okay.
kn> i'm done. fire away.
ok, you just volunteered to answer all off topic posts.
NOTE TO ALL REGULARS: refer all off topic posts to kelli. she is
capable and willing to answer them all in a polite and informative
way. in fact why not have all of usenet piped to her mailbox since most
of that is off topic as well?
uri
--
Uri Guttman --------- uri@sysarch.com ---------- http://www.sysarch.com
SYStems ARCHitecture and Stem Development ------ http://www.stemsystems.com
Learn Advanced Object Oriented Perl from Damian Conway - Boston, July 10-11
Class and Registration info: http://www.sysarch.com/perl/OOP_class.html
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:50:29 +0100
From: "Karl Young" <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <987173786.21471.0.nnrp-09.c2ded7c2@news.demon.co.uk>
"Uri Guttman" <uri@sysarch.com> wrote in message
news:x7y9t4nc5b.fsf@home.sysarch.com...
okay, that seems to me that you will now volunteer all your energies to
| patiently answering all the newbie and off topic questions. we regulars
| are obviously underskilled compared to you.
Uri, I actually do spend some of my time doing this, in areas where I am
able to. We are all newbies at something, at some time or other & personally
I don't forget this. I also try to tell the newbies to read the FAQ & where
to find it. I also often give them links to online resources. I try to do
all of this kindly & politely, rather than rudely & arrogantly shooting
people down in flames. One of the important questions to me is if the
'off-topic' posts rile people so much why don't they just ignore them,
instead of attacking? I think that perhaps it has to do with one's own fear
of being little & small & thus needing to prove oneself bigger, stronger,
more of an expert. As Adam Phillips (British Psychoanalyst) states 'Experts
keep us on their best behaviour'.
--
Karl
¸ ¸
\(Ö)/
Ô
_/ \_
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:51:40 +0100
From: "Karl Young" <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <987173787.21471.1.nnrp-09.c2ded7c2@news.demon.co.uk>
Well put Kelli, this is my point exactly :-) Thankyou.
--
Karl
¸ ¸
\(Ö)/
Ô
_/ \_
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:00:30 -0400
From: Henry Hartley <hartleh1@westat.com>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <3AD7148E.79A9FAFA@westat.com>
Karl Young wrote:
>
> Whatever happened to 'the three chief virtues of a programmer: Laziness,
> Impatience and Hubris?' :-)
They need to be balanced by the three virtues of coding: Diligence,
Patience and Humility.
--
Henry Hartley
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:56:21 +0100
From: "Karl Young" <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <987174173.21636.0.nnrp-09.c2ded7c2@news.demon.co.uk>
"John Joseph Trammell" <trammell@bayazid.hypersloth.invalid> wrote in
message news:slrn9ddv48.7ob.trammell@bayazid.hypersloth.net...
> Laziness, hubris, and impatience all say "my time is more important
>than your time".
John, just trying to be humorous with the Larry Wall quote, although I do
think it is relative. Apologies if you felt that I was saying my time is
more important than your time. I certainly do not think that my time is any
more important than anyone else's. I just happen to believe that people
should be treated courteously, even off topic newbies, & that people are
capable of ignoring the posts if they bother them.
--
Karl
¸ ¸
\(Ö)/
Ô
_/ \_
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:00:15 +0100
From: "Karl Young" <karlyoung@unconscious.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris :-)
Message-Id: <987174174.21636.1.nnrp-09.c2ded7c2@news.demon.co.uk>
"Cameron Dorey" <camerond@mail.uca.edu> wrote in message
news:3AD70A9D.10491FDC@mail.uca.edu...
>Commentaries on pototoes as chairs (no matter how convenient) are >off
topic here, as they are more appropriate for alt.furniture.tubers.
:-)
--
Karl
¸ ¸
\(Ö)/
Ô
_/ \_
'Remaining serious is successful repression.' Sandor Ferenczi
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:08:22 +0100
From: "Si@lineone" <simon-carlisle@*REMOVEME*lineone.net>
Subject: Looking for a tutorial on connecting to a database with Perl
Message-Id: <tddqs2mves2me4@corp.supernews.co.uk>
Hello
Im looking for a good tutorial on using Perl to connect to a database
Id be grateful if someone could post a url.
Best Regards
Si
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Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:29:25 GMT
From: Ilmari Karonen <iltzu@sci.invalid>
Subject: Re: perl hacker wanted
Message-Id: <987168575.6893@itz.pp.sci.fi>
In article <3AD50593.CC55098D@qwest.net>, A_Geekette wrote:
>Ilmari Karonen wrote:
>
>> It seems you just managed to break another one of those subtle rules.
>
>Where are these rules? I will overcome my impatience (:-) to read and study them
>thoroughly, as I have insulted way too many people in this group.
Well, they can't really be called unwritten rules, given that Usenet is
a written medium, but they're not collected anywhere, and everyone plays
by their own slightly different ones. Maybe someone someday could make
a list of them, but I feel that's rather unlikely.
The only way to figure out exactly what is tolerated and what isn't is
to sit back and watch. In the meantime, you just have to be careful.
Stay strictly on topic, don't ask FAQs, and never ever give incorrect
answers. And stay out of threads like this one.
The point is that the threads people here like are those that reveal
something new about Perl. That could be an answer to a question, a
debate about an obscure syntax feature, or a game of Perl golf. But
anything else, in comp.lang.perl.misc, is at best tolerated.
That goes for this discussion too. It doesn't really belong here, and
would be better carried out through private e-mail. I'm posting this in
the newsgroup in the hope that other newcomers might see it, but this is
probably going to be the last post from me in this thread.
>Maybe, I should have introduced myself before asking and answering questions. It's
>that impatience thing. I tend to jump right in. It does help me learn better, but I
Naw.. introductions don't tell anyone anything about Perl, at least not
unless you have some impressive Perl tricks to share. Jumping in is the
right approach, but watch where you jump.
>don't like hurting people or causing a raucous. Do you think it's too late to
>introduce myself? Maybe change my name which would preclude a change in attitude.
Maybe. A lot of the regulars seem to get along just fine under an
alias, but using your real name does give a slightly better first
impression.
On the other hand, if someone has killfiled you because they really
don't want to see your posts (can happen to anyone), and they still find
you annoying after your name change, they might accuse you of killfile
dodging -- a common tactic of trolls.
If you do change your name, or even if you don't, please keep your posts
as on topic as possible. Don't answer unless you're sure you know the
answer, and stay out of long off-topic threads like this one, even if it
means not saying something you want to say. That way people will see
that you're contributing signal instead of noise, and will hopefully
decide that you're worth listening to after all.
>"follow rules and behave like an adult"
>this, however, I have a little disagreement with....but that's OT.
Well, I agree that wasn't the best possible phrasing. But the point was
that if one behaves on Usenet like a child among adults, demanding to be
indulged because of one's inability or unwillingness to accommodate the
others, then one will soon get killfiled.
In this newsgroup, with too much volume for anyone to read it all, even
the slightest hint in that direction will suffice. Your sentence about
unwillingness to follow rules could be interpreted as such a hint.
--
Ilmari Karonen - http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/
Please ignore Godzilla / Kira -- do not feed the troll.
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:17:16 +0100
From: "Simon Flack" <news@simonflack.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Interface to C++
Message-Id: <9b6ud9$7ds3r$1@ID-83895.news.dfncis.de>
Hi,
Dunno if this helps, but John Mcnamara has written a Perl script that
converts Delphi\C++ Builder forms into Win32::GUI templates.
Simon
"necro" <necrorising@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aoecdtcounmr53ns9q4234smt97gskq2ti@4ax.com...
> Does anyone know of any Interface between Active-State Perl, and
> Borland C++?
>
> I want to program win32 apps in perl
>
> Can anything do this?
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:07:42 +0100
From: "Graham Wood" <graham.wood@iona.com>
Subject: Re: RegEx novice
Message-Id: <9b6j75$69s$1@spider.iona.com>
dkh <projectobjects@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:jDxB6.3401$yh.337333@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> How would I go about building a regular expression that would exclude one
> phrase from the other, like so:
>
> 1. <word>[_- ]<word>
> 2. <word>[_- ]<word>[_- ]<word>
>
> so that 1 would be excluded even though it is part of 2.
Can you clarify what you mean here? What do you mean by "exclude one
phrase from the other"? Can you show us the expected result of applying
your regular expression?
Are you trying to remove 1. from 2, and would this leave
<word>[_-]
or
[_-]<word>
after 1. is removed?
Graham Wood
>
> thanks for any replies,
> dale
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:36:58 GMT
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: RegEx novice
Message-Id: <evoddtg3v7rr1qt67gha7a9no4kkv20msl@4ax.com>
dkh wrote:
>How would I go about building a regular expression that would exclude one
>phrase from the other, like so:
>
>1. <word>[_- ]<word>
>2. <word>[_- ]<word>[_- ]<word>
>
>so that 1 would be excluded even though it is part of 2.
Your question is a bit mysterious, but anyway: whenever I need to
*substitute* a pharse except when within another phrase, I tend to first
try to match the larger phrase in alternatives, and replace it by itself
if that was the one that matched.
Something like this:
s/(<word>[_- ]<word>[_- ]<word>)|<word>[_- ]<word>/
$1 || 'CENSORED'/ge
if $1 is true (though in general it's safer to test for definedness of
$1), the longer one matched, and it gets replaced by itself, thus
effectively skipped. Any other matches will be replaced by the word
'CENSORED'.
--
Bart.
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:54:53 +0200
From: "Tobias" <tobi@tobster.de>
Subject: STDERR to file and to shell
Message-Id: <9b6lpk$vaa$00$1@news.t-online.com>
Does anybody know, how to send the error messages to a file and to the
screen at the same time.
Thanks
Tobias
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:16:27 +0100
From: "Tony" <tailorontap@pantsbtinternet.com>
Subject: Wierd one Solaris compared to Cobalt Raq4
Message-Id: <9b6u2c$t8d$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>
Wondered if anyone has experienced any peculiarities with the Raq4.
I have a robust commercial Perl shopping cart which functions perfectly on a
Sun running Solaris - but refuses to perform on the Raq4 ?
Many of the routines run and fileman and other config utilities indicate I
have the pathing correct. I can use and set individual routines such as the
setup.cgi but the framed shopping cart returns errors.
Does anyone have a knowledge of the Raq's peculiarities ?
Does it have requirements which are distinctly different to Sun and Solaris
?
Thanks
--
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680/790/1270/2000P with the new ILRS ink level computer
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remove pants to reply personally
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:29:11 +0100
From: Richard Tibbitt <tibbs@freenet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Wierd one Solaris compared to Cobalt Raq4
Message-Id: <5l2edt41n0dkr4rh96jku06u9d9cv8gi3k@4ax.com>
"Tony" <tailorontap@pantsbtinternet.com> wrote:
>Wondered if anyone has experienced any peculiarities with the Raq4.
>I have a robust commercial Perl shopping cart which functions perfectly on a
>Sun running Solaris - but refuses to perform on the Raq4 ?
>Many of the routines run and fileman and other config utilities indicate I
>have the pathing correct. I can use and set individual routines such as the
>setup.cgi but the framed shopping cart returns errors.
>Does anyone have a knowledge of the Raq's peculiarities ?
>Does it have requirements which are distinctly different to Sun and Solaris
One peculiarity with a Raq that I tried out a year or more ago is with
'flock' in Perl - the OS on the Raq gave a "Cant flock file (Bad file
descriptor)" error when trying to obtain an Exclusive lock on a file
only opened for Reading (due to a 'slight oversight' in my program) -
all other web server setups I've used (mostly BSD variants) are more
tolerant of this and allow this technically incorrect (certainly
unnecessary) operation.
Might be worth a browse through the source of the affected routines -
they certainly ought to be using flock in there - maybe they've fallen
into the same trap.
--
Richard Tibbitt
Looe, Cornwall, UK
tibbs@freenet.co.uk
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