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Today's topics:
Re: chmod under Win32 <carvdawg@patriot.net>
Re: Crazy RegExp please? <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
Extract remote data off an ncurses menu <slippy_8@yahoo.com>
fileevent on win98 <heathrice@mindspring.com>
Help with splitting a ongoing variable? <trentm1@hotmail.com>
Re: installing perl on win98 ananta_ahluwalia@hotmail.com
Re: installing perl on win98 <tick.toff@spam.com>
Re: Is Perl dying? <brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com>
Re: Is Perl dying? <harrisr@bignet.net>
Re: Is Perl dying? <brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com>
Re: Is there an overhead using long variable names? (Ben Okopnik)
Re: Is there an overhead using long variable names? (Mark Ferguson)
Re: Is there an overhead using long variable names? <joe+usenet@sunstarsys.com>
Re: Language evolution C->Perl->C++->Java->Python (Is P <BorrisYeltsin@webtribe.net>
Re: Language evolution C->Perl->C++->Java->Python (Is P <just_me@nowhere.com>
Re: Network (Ben Okopnik)
Re: One-Liner to Sum a Stack of Numbers? (Ben Okopnik)
Re: Please help with this script! Weird problem <liuch@excite.com>
Re: Please help with this script! Weird problem <liuch@excite.com>
Re: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revisi <nospam.newton@gmx.li>
Re: Why are multiple zeroes true? (Craig Berry)
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 16 Sep 99) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:12:43 -0500
From: H C <carvdawg@patriot.net>
Subject: Re: chmod under Win32
Message-Id: <3A3BBEAB.40F1D745@patriot.net>
> ActiveState does have a chmod(), though it is limited to modifying the
> owner's permissions. what the OP probably wants is Win32::FileSecurity
> which allows DACL manipulation.
Or, better yet, Win32::Perms...
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:19:56 GMT
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Crazy RegExp please?
Message-Id: <pvmn3to26eij36ogrrtsspap24n2cdmadh@4ax.com>
Bart Lateur wrote:
> $_ = '"john and 7374398 paul" $%£ nobody"jim" "jon" somebody
>else "*-())8are all friends" oh yes"excelent man9999';
> my @result;
> while(/("[^"]*"?|[a-zA-Z]+)/g) {
> push @result, join ' ', $1 =~ /([a-zA-Z]+)/g;
> }
> print @result;
Are you in for a oneliner?
@result = map { join ' ', /([a-zA-Z]+)/g } /("[^"]*"?|[a-zA-Z]+)/g;
--
Bart.
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:33:17 GMT
From: Slippy_8 <slippy_8@yahoo.com>
Subject: Extract remote data off an ncurses menu
Message-Id: <3A3BDF84.4A14A358@yahoo.com>
Hi
I am struggling trying to figure out how to interface with an NCURSES
environment.
What i want to do is to execute a perl script on a local machine to
connect to a remote machine .. probably using NET:Telnet ... to capture
data off of the menu screens there without user interaction. The remote
machine, after you log in, is an NCURSES menu... lots of nice text and
box's and stuff .. sort of looks like Pine :-). I thought first that i
could do this with Expect .. but.. The menus on the remote machine do
not have a common word or phrase at the bottom of each screen to key off
of as the end of the page ... a "wait for" and you never can shell out
to a command line (its restricted). So i am finding myself sniffing
packets and wading through all the NCURSES output codes for formatting
the screens... i thought if i could figure out when the end of the
screen was i could use it. I have found that .[?25h is usually the
last in the packets payloads ... but not all the time. Probably because
NCURSES can refresh only a portion of the screen instead of the whole
screen every time.
I want to approach this in a couple of different manners ....
1. Intercept the letters and words in the data stream, strip out the
ugly NCURSES codes ... manipulate the stuff i want and load it into an
array.
OR ...
2. Wait until the data stream is "interpreted" on the local machine and
copy the output of the ptty somehow and strip what i need and put in in
an array. This might get rid of having to deal with the NCURSES codes.
I have had people tell me that what i want to do is called
"Screen-scraping" and its fairly common. But i haven't been able to find
anyone who has done it .. or any programs/scripts/examples out there
that do anything like it. I have also had people tell me that JAVA was
more suited to this but i haven't found any documentation that would
lead me to believe so.
So what i am asking is this ...
If anyone can give me ideas on how i might attempt to deal with the
NCURSES output or copy the std out of a ptty i would greatly appreciate
it...
Mike
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:50:28 -0500
From: "Heath Rice" <heathrice@mindspring.com>
Subject: fileevent on win98
Message-Id: <91grbr$eot$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>
Hi all,
I have a little Perl/Tk app at work that communicates with one of our
product's real processes to get state info, etc. It works great at work
(solaris 2.7). Brought it home this weekend to try to have it watch the
process with me logged in remotely. I installed Perl and the Tk modules
this afternoon. They seem to run fine. I started up my app and it appeared
to run fine. I remotely started the process at work. My Tk app connected
to it and then nothing. The process saw the connect and began to send it
data. The Tk app never saw the data.
I looked in the ActiveState docs and it mentioned that the fileevent method
may not work with Windows for nonblocking sockets. Did I misunderstand
something? Don't you sortof have to have nonblocking sockets if you want
sockets in a GUI? Is it possible that this isn't what is causing my
problem? If it is the problem, is there anything I can do to get around it?
Thanks,
Heath
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:41:51 -0600
From: "bab" <trentm1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Help with splitting a ongoing variable?
Message-Id: <t3nrutavuvcb29@corp.supernews.com>
Hi
I am currently trying to split $cart up into diffrent variables so I can
edit the data. The $cart variable holds all the product information put into
the shopping cart. (product quanitiy, prize, and one other thing but I can't
think of it)
For example
$cart currently ouputs this in a e-mail.
product : 1 : 10 : 0
product : 1 : 5 : 0
I thought this line would splt it up correctly and it sorta does but Its not
able to do what I want ....
($first,$second,$third,$fourth, $five, $six, $seven, $eight)= split (/\ : /,
$cart);
which then the then output looks this in a email...
product,1,10,0
product,,,
The problem now becomes that it left out part of the second items data.
The next problem is. If there are lets say 99 items in a shopping cart
(unlikley but possible) how do I generate variables and then know what the
generated variables are so I munipulate the data for using in a html email
and online output use?
Thanks I hope this helps
trentm1@hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:59:02 GMT
From: ananta_ahluwalia@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: installing perl on win98
Message-Id: <91ge1k$9i8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Hi,
I am running PWS4.0 on my win98 machine and have dowloaded ActivePerl-
5.6.0.620-MSWin32-x86-multi-thread.msi which is supposed to work fine.
But it doesn't!
Any ideas? I really need to deliver a project ASAP. Can u tell what
regular hack you did to make it work for you ?
Thanks,
Ananta
In article <Aal_5.18770$xW4.150123@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"SuperGumby" <tick.toff@spam.com> wrote:
> ActivePerl and Win98PWS works fine, just takes a small reg hack to
associate
> your web.doc.extension to perl (or does the way I did it :)
>
> Trevor Ward wrote in message <91cih7
$39910@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>...
> >I have setup the local server quite easily, www.perl.com follow link
to
> >windows version of perl and download. It installs and runs nicely.
For a
> >server environment I went for OmniHTTP which is a very good web
server.
> >Tried apache and IIS or PWS but couldn't get the functionality
working.
> >
> >Be aware that omnihttp is about $80 for a full license. But well
worth it.
> >
> >Richard Leclair <leclair@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> >news:3A39B682.7A3D27D@iinet.net.au...
> >>
> >> I have written perl CGIs on my ISP (linux) with no problems, but
I'd
> >> like to test stuff locally on my machine, and someone said that I
could
> >> set up like a local server running ActivePerl.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how I go about doing this?
> >>
> >> Any info would be helpful. Cheers.
> >> mailto:leclair@iinet.net.au?subject=perl_on_win98
> >>
> >>
> >> Richie !
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:32:02 GMT
From: "SuperGumby" <tick.toff@spam.com>
Subject: Re: installing perl on win98
Message-Id: <C3S_5.21056$xW4.164385@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
registry hack actually,,, documented in the installation document but
scantily for Win9X.
NOTE: I'm new to perl and did it this way because after asking in what I
thought were the right places (trying to confirm what I had surmised from
reading ActivePerl Help) I got no response. If it's wrong someone should
politely tell me.
I'm not going to tell you how to edit the registry because if you get it
wrong you will blow your system away.
Under HKEY_LOCAL_SYSTEM in
"System\CurrentControlSet\Services\W3SVC\Parameters\Script Map" create a new
string value with a name ".pl" (without quotes) and a value
"c:\perl\bin\perl.exe %s %s" (without quotes, and pointing to wherever you
have installed perl if not this directory).
Documentation also suggests you may wish to create another key in the same
place name ".plx" and value pointing to "PerlIS.dll", I have not yet found
this necessary. Documentation in
\Perl\html\faq\Windows\ActivePerl-Winfaq2.html.
Then you want to store your scripts somewhere and make them available and
executable to PWS. I created a new directory to hold scripts and then added
this as a virtual directory to PWS.
Works for me.
ananta_ahluwalia@hotmail.com wrote in message
<91ge1k$9i8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Hi,
>I am running PWS4.0 on my win98 machine and have dowloaded ActivePerl-
>5.6.0.620-MSWin32-x86-multi-thread.msi which is supposed to work fine.
>But it doesn't!
>Any ideas? I really need to deliver a project ASAP. Can u tell what
>regular hack you did to make it work for you ?
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:13:54 -0500
From: brian d foy <brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com>
Subject: Re: Is Perl dying?
Message-Id: <brian+usenet-0182D5.16135416122000@news.panix.com>
In article <3A3ABE95.56F9550E@earthlink.net>, Andrew Lee
<andrew_lee@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Are there less jobs for Perl developers as the dot com economy goes
> belly up?
there were more jobs than Perl developers even before the those
companies disappeared. let's remember that most of the people
unemployed by those companies are not Perl developers (or any
other sort of developer).
> Or, could it be that a critical mass of project managers won't use Perl
> because (it seems) no two programmers write Perl the same way?
this is not special to Perl. i've seen the same problem when
maintaining code in other languages as well.
> Thus,
> languages like Python or Java are more favorable for team development of
> reusable code ...
your assumption is faulty. the major problems with team development
do not include the choice of language since those problems exist
no matter the language being used.
however, you can't get rid of bad managers.
--
brian d foy
Perl Mongers <URL:http://www.perl.org>
CGI Meta FAQ <URL:http://www.smithrenaud.com/public/CGI_MetaFAQ.html>
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:26:16 -0500
From: "Randy Harris" <harrisr@bignet.net>
Subject: Re: Is Perl dying?
Message-Id: <t3nnekliavnp79@corp.supernews.com>
brian d foy <brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com> wrote in message
news:brian+usenet-0182D5.16135416122000@news.panix.com...
> In article <3A3ABE95.56F9550E@earthlink.net>, Andrew Lee
> <andrew_lee@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> your assumption is faulty. the major problems with team development
> do not include the choice of language since those problems exist
> no matter the language being used.
>
> however, you can't get rid of bad managers.
In my experience, the major problems with team development stem from
neither bad languages nor bad managers but bad practices.
>
> --
> brian d foy
> Perl Mongers <URL:http://www.perl.org>
> CGI Meta FAQ <URL:http://www.smithrenaud.com/public/CGI_MetaFAQ.html>
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:54:51 -0500
From: brian d foy <brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com>
Subject: Re: Is Perl dying?
Message-Id: <brian+usenet-760ED3.16545116122000@news.panix.com>
In article <t3nnekliavnp79@corp.supernews.com>, "Randy Harris"
<harrisr@bignet.net> wrote:
> brian d foy <brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com> wrote in message
> news:brian+usenet-0182D5.16135416122000@news.panix.com...
> > In article <3A3ABE95.56F9550E@earthlink.net>, Andrew Lee
> > <andrew_lee@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > your assumption is faulty. the major problems with team development
> > do not include the choice of language since those problems exist
> > no matter the language being used.
> > however, you can't get rid of bad managers.
> In my experience, the major problems with team development stem from
> neither bad languages nor bad managers but bad practices.
bad practices? whose fault is that? ( think about why there
are (theoretically) managers ). ;)
--
brian d foy
Perl Mongers <URL:http://www.perl.org>
CGI Meta FAQ <URL:http://www.smithrenaud.com/public/CGI_MetaFAQ.html>
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Date: 16 Dec 2000 19:25:52 GMT
From: fuzzybear@pocketmail.com (Ben Okopnik)
Subject: Re: Is there an overhead using long variable names?
Message-Id: <slrn93ngi2.t6d.fuzzybear@Odin.Thor>
The ancient archives of 15 Dec 2000 10:12:00 -0700 showed
Tom Christiansen of comp.lang.perl.misc speaking thus:
>In article <91dic4$jt8$1@boomer.cs.utexas.edu>,
>Logan Shaw <logan@cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>Huh? Are you saying that you expect the variation to be so small
>>that it would be hard to ensure one tests enough iterations to
>>find a difference?
>
>Yes, very much so.
>
>>I did see a difference when I ran that benchmark. The ones with the
>>print statement took about 20% longer than the ones without.
>
>20%? I am dubious.
>
>In any event, this is FALSE EFFICIENCY. Efficiency-chasing is often
>a sign of a mis-directed novice programmer. There's thinking about
>the absolute wrong thing.
>
>Stop chasing microseconds. Duh.
>
>In any event, the apparent difference between any of these in utterly
>meaningless, because the variation between separate runs is almost
>always greater than the apparent difference in execution speeds. And
>even if it isn't, this means NOTHING.
>
>It would be faster not the check return codes, so don't do that.
>It would be faster not to use whitespace, so don't do that.
>It would be faster not to use comments, so don't do that.
>It would be faster not to write the program, so don't do that.
>It would be faster to write in assembler, so have a nice day.
>
>I think not.
>
>Efficiency is the hobgoblin of little programmers. Rule 1 of
>optimization is: Don't!
And now, a message from one of the little programmers... :\
Can anyone recommend a "general principles of programming" book that would
talk about about this kind of stuff? I mean, avoiding the bad practices
and using the good ones, not even necessarily WRT a specific language (and
if it has to be specific, preferably Perl.) I've been cranking out code
for <mumble-mumble> years now, in close to a dozen different languages -
but it's been mostly a "learn as you go" experience, though I've written
some fair-sized apps. I knew about "efficiency-chasing", but I'm not so
sure about other pitfalls.
Ben Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and
car keys to teenage boys. -- P. J. O'Rourke
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Date: 16 Dec 2000 11:22:13 -0800
From: mefergus@Stanford.EDU (Mark Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Is there an overhead using long variable names?
Message-Id: <91gfd5$9g2@GSB-Kwanza.Stanford.EDU>
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@perl.com> writes:
>
>Efficiency is the hobgoblin of little programmers. Rule 1 of
>optimization is: Don't!
The quote you borrow from is more fully "foolish
consistency..." and that distinction seems likely to
be a good one to make here, too :)
--
Mark Ferguson <Mark.Ferguson@Stanford.EDU>
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Date: 16 Dec 2000 14:34:14 -0500
From: Joe Schaefer <joe+usenet@sunstarsys.com>
Subject: Re: Is there an overhead using long variable names?
Message-Id: <m3r938rwi1.fsf@mumonkan.sunstarsys.com>
fuzzybear@pocketmail.com (Ben Okopnik) writes:
> And now, a message from one of the little programmers... :\
>
> Can anyone recommend a "general principles of programming" book that would
> talk about about this kind of stuff? I mean, avoiding the bad practices
> and using the good ones, not even necessarily WRT a specific language (and
> if it has to be specific, preferably Perl.) I've been cranking out code
> for <mumble-mumble> years now, in close to a dozen different languages -
> but it's been mostly a "learn as you go" experience, though I've written
> some fair-sized apps. I knew about "efficiency-chasing", but I'm not so
> sure about other pitfalls.
Chipmunk, Chapters 2 & 3.
(_Practical C++ Programming_ by Steve Oualline).
--
Joe Schaefer
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:12:34 +0000
From: BorrisYeltsin <BorrisYeltsin@webtribe.net>
Subject: Re: Language evolution C->Perl->C++->Java->Python (Is Python the ULTIMATE oflanguages??)
Message-Id: <3A3BBEA2.35B1008A@webtribe.net>
> o Python is object-oriented language just like Java, suitable for
> very large enterprises and for large projects (millions of lines of
> code).
Windows 200 has millions of lines of code but Linux has only 1/4 of a
million, does this make Windows 2000 better than Linux?
BorrisYeltsin
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:50:47 +0100
From: Just Me <just_me@nowhere.com>
Subject: Re: Language evolution C->Perl->C++->Java->Python (Is Python the ULTIMATE oflanguages??)
Message-Id: <3A3BE3B7.D9866593@nowhere.com>
The answer to your question is NO.
We will go back to basics and end up in Smalltalk which is the ultimate OO
language where everything is an object and no types exist.
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Date: 16 Dec 2000 19:36:12 GMT
From: fuzzybear@pocketmail.com (Ben Okopnik)
Subject: Re: Network
Message-Id: <slrn93nh5e.t6d.fuzzybear@Odin.Thor>
The ancient archives of Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:27:31 -0500 showed
Vladimir Silyaev of comp.lang.perl.misc speaking thus:
>
>"Rick Langschultz" <rickshaw@fast.net> wrote in message
>news:t3j6vab06l7h45@corp.supernews.com...
>> I have a windows and a linux server, one upstairs(linux) and windows
>> downstairs, I want to set up a chat client so we don't have to yell down
>to
>> my mom when we need something. Or vice-versa. Can i do this with the
>>
>> IO::Socket
>> IO::Select
>>
>> Thingers. I hope so, if you could lead me to great resources that would be
>> cool, thx
>The answer doesn't have any relations to perl, but:
>login to Linux using telnet from WinXX and after that 'write username' for
>pager functionality or 'talk username' for chat functionality.
>See write(1) and talk(1) for more info.
Still no relation to Perl, but - use WinTalk from the Windows side. No need
to log in.
Ben Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
In my mind, Microsoft is the illegal operation and the DOJ is guilty of
general protection faults [for] not protecting the public in general.
-- Bill Bennett, in the Linux Gazette
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Date: 16 Dec 2000 20:04:53 GMT
From: fuzzybear@pocketmail.com (Ben Okopnik)
Subject: Re: One-Liner to Sum a Stack of Numbers?
Message-Id: <slrn93nir8.t6d.fuzzybear@Odin.Thor>
The ancient archives of 15 Dec 2000 22:39:37 GMT showed
revjack of comp.lang.perl.misc speaking thus:
>Ren, Jeff, Tramm, thanks for your followups.
>
>And last but never least, Eli:
>
>: (tr ^J +;echo 0)|bc
>
>I figured there was a nice shell way to do it, I'll try it.
There _is_ a nice "shell-only" way to do it -
while read n; do t=$(($n+$(($t)))); echo $t; done
Pipe your output into this, and you'll get running totals as well. Or just
use it standalone, and it'll take the values from <STDIN>.
ObPerl: It's shorter in Perl.
Ben Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
If you put an infinite amount of monkeys in front of an infinite amount of
typewriters, they'd eventually produce the entire works of Shakespeare.
Do the same with humans and computers and you get Windows NT. Score:
Monkeys 1, Humans 0. -- Jordan Hardgrove
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:30:03 -0000
From: liuch <liuch@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Please help with this script! Weird problem
Message-Id: <t3nglrbpumro9b@corp.supernews.com>
Mike Lin wrote:
>
> ok, here is my problem. I need to create a cgi script that does some
> operations on some variables. But then I need to output this cgi script
>
> as a html page as well by doing something like this
>
> print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
> print "<html><title>My page</title>";
> print "<body>page contents</body>";
> ....
> print "</html>";
>
> Actually though I did this...(so I wouldn't have to keep typing "print")
>
> print<<"END"
> Content-type: text/html\n\n
> <html><title>My page</title>
> <body>page contents</body>
> ....
> </html>
> END
>
Why not try this,
print<<"END";
(with a semi-colon terminating it)
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:30:05 -0000
From: liuch <liuch@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Please help with this script! Weird problem
Message-Id: <t3nk6dsjann15b@corp.supernews.com>
Mike Lin wrote:
>
> ok, here is my problem. I need to create a cgi script that does some
> operations on some variables. But then I need to output this cgi script
>
> as a html page as well by doing something like this
>
> print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
> print "<html><title>My page</title>";
> print "<body>page contents</body>";
> ....
> print "</html>";
>
> Actually though I did this...(so I wouldn't have to keep typing "print")
>
> print<<"END"
> Content-type: text/html\n\n
> <html><title>My page</title>
> <body>page contents</body>
> ....
> </html>
> END
>
As I looked into your source code, I believe the problem is caused by the
lines shown below:
<A
href="mailto:webmaster@industrialnetworking.com">webmaster@industrialnetwor
king.com</A>
You need to add a slash "\" before "@", so it should look like this:
<A
href="mailto:webmaster\@industrialnetworking.com">webmaster\@industrialnetw
orking.com</A>
Give it a try
Good luck
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:55:42 +0100
From: "Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton" <nospam.newton@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 0.1 $)
Message-Id: <u5ln3tsumgepf2gq93fcu6i58pq77jg7q0@4ax.com>
On 15 Dec 2000 22:27:06 GMT, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote:
> In article <t8vk3t0kbcgr2eb1r9p7u12bcceckupfot@4ax.com>,
> Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton <nospam.newton@gmx.li> wrote:
> >On 14 Dec 2000 14:39:36 GMT, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote:
> >
> >> This isn't the Internet, it's USENET.
> >
> >Why the caps?
>
> Because there is a difference between "internet" as "a connection
> between many networks" and "Internet", which is the particular
> interconnected network that most people use.
I think I knew that. I should have been more specific, I suppose.
Why "USENET" and not "Usenet" or "usenet"? I rather doubt it's an acronym.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <nospam.newton@gmx.li>
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:26:25 -0000
From: cberry@cinenet.net (Craig Berry)
Subject: Re: Why are multiple zeroes true?
Message-Id: <t3nr0hg56kktdd@corp.supernews.com>
Uri Guttman (uri@sysarch.com) wrote:
: see my longer posts which say the same thing. :)
Yours hadn't propagated to me when I wrote mine. Nice to form a faction
with you, by the way. :)
--
| Craig Berry - http://www.cinenet.net/~cberry/
--*-- "The hills are burning, and the wind is raging; and the clock
| strikes midnight in the Garden of Allah." - Don Henley
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