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Perl-Users Digest Tue, 12 Dec 2000 Volume: 9 Number: 5095
Today's topics:
Re: open window in Perl? <peter.sundstrom@eds.com>
Re: output file to browser? <me@privacy.net>
palm perl quick reference <kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
Re: palm perl quick reference <lmoran@wtsg.com>
Re: palm perl quick reference <kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
Re: Passing parameter to CGI in webpage link <mbudash@sonic.net>
Re: Perl XS problems (Ilya Zakharevich)
pid of children 4 times removed bdesany@my-deja.com
Re: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revisi <godoy@conectiva.com>
Printing Vertically <blnukem@hotmail.com>
Re: Ready Made Form Data? <tinamue@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Re: scan and read mails from /var/mail (Garry Williams)
Re: Tabs and the M^ thing... <mischief@velma.motion.net>
Re: Tabs and the M^ thing... (Richard Zilavec)
Re: Tabs and the M^ thing... <mischief@velma.motion.net>
Re: Tabs and the M^ thing... (Tad McClellan)
Re: Tabs and the M^ thing... (David Efflandt)
Re: Visual Perl <khedger@mindspring.com>
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:57:40 +1300
From: "Peter Sundstrom" <peter.sundstrom@eds.com>
Subject: Re: open window in Perl?
Message-Id: <916hi5$uji$1@hermes.nz.eds.com>
<manon_bertolini@mantacorp.com> wrote in message
news:915h8b$hiq$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hi there,this may be a very silly question ...
>
> i am a newbie - I need to generate the HTML to open a new small window,
> but this does not actually have a HTML URL ... is this possible? May I
> please have a sample snippet?
>
> ie:
> print "WIndow.open(NO_URL ...,param2.param3
> print "<HTML>\n";
> print "<HEAD>\n";
> print "<TITLE>POLL RESULTS</TITLE>\n";
> print "</HEAD>\n";
Ask yourself if you really think this is a Perl question. I'll give you a
ksh answer.
#!/bin/ksh
print "function smallwindow() {"
print " window.open('http://www.somewhere.com/',width=350,height=400'); }"
print "<a href=\"JavaScript: smallwindow()\'">Open a small window</a>"
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:07:21 GMT
From: "EM" <me@privacy.net>
Subject: Re: output file to browser?
Message-Id: <JcyZ5.8716$Nw6.28736@news.iol.ie>
Thanks for pointing me to perldoc
i found that this works but my question is
does this load the file into the memory or what?
open (FILE,"test.zip");
binmode(FILE);
seek(FILE,5,1);
print STDOUT <FILE>;
close (FILE);
"Michael Budash" <mbudash@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:mbudash-1581D2.14510012122000@news.pacbell.net...
> In article <dIxZ5.8701$Nw6.28919@news.iol.ie>, "EM" <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> > currently i use this code to output a file to the browser
> > copy("file.zip",\*STDOUT);
> >
> > this works great but what if i dont want to output the entire file?
> > how do i only output specified bytes like 100000 to 10000000
> > how do i do this without first loading the file into memory?
> >
> > --------------
> > Eric
> >
> >
>
> perldoc -f open
> perldoc -f seek
> perldoc -f read
>
> hth-
> --
> Michael Budash ~~~~~~~~~~ mbudash@sonic.net
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:24:47 -0800
From: Kev Mulcahy <kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
Subject: palm perl quick reference
Message-Id: <B65C643E.EDF%kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
Hi all
I have heard that a perl 5 quick reference is available for the palmOS but
am unable to find it. Does anybody know where to get it?
Cheers
Kev.
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:49:23 -0500
From: Lou Moran <lmoran@wtsg.com>
Subject: Re: palm perl quick reference
Message-Id: <oaed3t4r6ca71afknm29voqdh1vta651cc@4ax.com>
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:24:47 -0800, Kev Mulcahy
<kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk> wrote wonderful things about sparkplugs:
>Hi all
>
>I have heard that a perl 5 quick reference is available for the palmOS but
>am unable to find it. Does anybody know where to get it?
>
>Cheers
>
>Kev.
http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000SE0&b=zdpalm
Zdnet/Palm/Search/Perl 5
lmoran@wtsg.com
print "\x{263a}"
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:07:27 -0800
From: Kev Mulcahy <kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
Subject: Re: palm perl quick reference
Message-Id: <B65C6E3E.1017%kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
found it at http://www.memoware.com/b/perl-jv.pdb for anyone else
interested.
K.
> From: Kev Mulcahy <kevin@amazonmedia.co.uk>
> Organization: ntlworld News Service
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:24:47 -0800
> Subject: palm perl quick reference
>
> Hi all
>
> I have heard that a perl 5 quick reference is available for the palmOS but
> am unable to find it. Does anybody know where to get it?
>
> Cheers
>
> Kev.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:09:56 -0800
From: Michael Budash <mbudash@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Passing parameter to CGI in webpage link
Message-Id: <mbudash-CAD3E5.15095612122000@news.pacbell.net>
In article <3A369F3C.1D99C51E@yvtugubhfrovm.pbz>,
xzrgpnys@yvtugubhfrovm.pbz wrote:
> Paula Powell Sapienza wrote:
> > How does one pass a command-line (or otherwise) parameter to a Perl
> > script? Say, from a link in a webpage? (i.e., <a href="mything.cgi?4">)
>
> Um, you mean like this?
> <html><head><title>=test</title></head><body>
> <a href="mything.cgi&theparameter=1">Click here for One!</a><br>
> <a href="mything.cgi&theparameter=2">Click here for Two!</a><br>
> <a href="mything.cgi&theparameter=3">Click here for Three!</a><br>
> <a href="mything.cgi&theparameter=4">Click here for Four!</a>
> </body></html>
>
huh? how about:
mything.cgi?theparameter=1
> Then you just parse it out using the right pm
that would be CGI.pm or some variation...
> and you say:
> if ($contents{theparameter}==1) {
> }
> elsif ($contents{theparameter==2}) {
> }
better still:
use CGI;
$cgi = CGI->new();
if ($cgi->param(theparameter) == 1) {
}
elsif ($cgi->param(theparameter) == 2) {
}
hth-
--
Michael Budash ~~~~~~~~~~ mbudash@sonic.net
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Date: 13 Dec 2000 01:23:32 GMT
From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)
Subject: Re: Perl XS problems
Message-Id: <916j2k$anr$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Soumen Das
<soumen.das@cp.net>],
who wrote in article <t3d47e4i7s4k12@corp.supernews.com>:
> const wchar_t*
> MDS_ErrorString(hr)
> long hr
> CODE :
> RETVAL = MDS_ErrorString(hr);
> OUTPUT :
> RETVAL
Why all these bruhaha? With newer Perls
const wchar_t* MDS_ErrorString(long hr);
is enough. With older you just need to convert this to K&R.
>
> My typemap is :
> const wchar_t* T_PV
> "XSConfig.c", line 59: Error: Formal argument ptr of type const char* in
> call to Perl_sv_setpv(sv*, const char*) is being passed const wchar_t*.
You need to decide: how do you want to return the data? T_PV is for
0-terminated char*.
> This does not seem to make an effect. I had to manually go and edit the link
> line. Any ideas how could I influence MakeMaker to link to .a files ?
Look how perlxstut does it (or any module building a library). IIRC, if the
library is already present, all you need is LIB => '-lfoo'.
Ilya
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:15:51 GMT
From: bdesany@my-deja.com
Subject: pid of children 4 times removed
Message-Id: <916bj0$9t7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
I have read in Programming Perl that if you fork a process and do
POSIX::setsid on the child, you can use in the parent:
my $group = -$pid;
while (kill 0 => $group) {...;}
to keep track of whether that child process and its children (which are
all part of the same process group, of which the original child process
is the leader) are still "alive".
My child process execs a wrapper script for the PBS job scheduling
system, which in turn invokes PBS through backticks (a binary program
called qsub, probably written in C), which in turn invokes the actual
application I am interested in.
In short:
parent->forks_child-->execs_wrapper-->backticks_qsub-->invokes_myapp
Using the code I presented at the top, the conditional returns false as
soon as the wrapper is finished executing. If I change the wrapper to
invoke qsub through system() (instead of backticks - Programming Perl
doesn't mention if this process-tracking thing kicks in with backticks,
but it is supposed to with system() ) the same thing happens. I should
note that I have no idea how qsub works or how long it takes to
execute, so if it executes really fast, the conditional may actually
remain true through the execution of qsub.
Do I have the idea right, here? Based on these results can I assume
that when qsub kicks off execution of the final app that that app is in
a different process group from the "parent" script? Or could it be that
I have something wrong, and that I may still be able to accomplish my
goal?
Thanks for any assist!
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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Date: 12 Dec 2000 23:32:14 -0200
From: Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com>
Subject: Re: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 0.1 $)
Message-Id: <kpofyh9kdd.fsf@dagon.conectiva>
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, tadmc@metronet.com wrote:
> =back
>
> It is B<not> required, or even expected, that you actually I<read>
> all of Perl's standard docs, only that you spend a few minutes
> searching them before posting.
>
> Try doing a word-search in the standard docs for some words/phrases
> taken from your problem statement or from your very carefully
> worded C<Subject:> header.
OK... I agree with everything so far. I suggest that you add some
examples of how to do that search. There was a post of yours from what
you teach that was very nice here.
Even some "grep" commands and also 'perldoc -q' and 'perldoc -f'
examples.
They are valuable to newbies (I can't live without these commands :-)
--- OK, I can live, but it's hard to make complex things in Perl
without using them ;-))
> =item Lurk for a while before posting
>
> It is standard 'netiquette to monitor (lurk) a newsgroup for a few
> days or weeks before posting. By doing so you will be able to see
> what is socially acceptable in the newsgroup.
>
> You can "power lurk" by reading 20-30 posts a day for the last
> several days at a Usenet archive.
You put an example of such archive below. It could be here
also... Maybe with some more archives where one can get messages to
read.
> =head1 Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
>
> There can be 200 messages in clpm in a single day. Nobody is going
> to read every article. So they must decide somehow which articles
> they are going to read, and which they will skip.
I would comment on using 'clpm' in the beginning of the text. You
should choose either 'clpmisc' or 'clpm'. I like more the latter.
> =item Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
(SNIP)
> It is understood that you may not know that the root of your problem
> is not Perl-related (the two most frequent ones are CGI and
> Operating System related). So off-topic postings will happen from
> time to time. Be gracious when someone helps you find a better
> place to ask your question by pointing you to a more applicable
> newsgroup.
As these questions are frquently asked _wrongly_ here in clpm, it
would be nice to have pointers to the right groups to post about
them.
> =item Do not expect people to do a machine's work
(SNIP)
Maybe speaking about running 'perl -dw script.pl'? It's helpful to see
some logical problems instead of only the lexical ones.
> =item Do not type in Perl code
>
> Use copy/paste or your editor's "import" function or something
> rather than attempting to type in your code. If you make a typo
> you will get followups about your typos instead of about the
> question you are trying to get answered.
I'd add:
"This is also helpful because you'll have a small snippet of code
which you can test, again, before sending your message. Maybe you
find your answer there instead of having to wait for hours for an
answer."
(I've seen you speaking about it in the "Provide enough information"
item, but it also fits here... :-))
> =head2 Social faux pax to avoid
>
> The first two below are symptoms of lots of FAQ asking here
> in clpmisc. It happens so often that folks will assume that it
Oops... clpm or clpmisc? (again)
> is happening yet again. If you have looked but not found, or
> found but didn't understand the docs, say so in your article.
(SNIP)
> If you are flamed for not checking when you I<did> check, then
> just shrug it off (and take the answer that you got).
"As of RFC 1855: don't get involved in flame wars. It's bad for you
and for the whole group."
> =item Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
>
> This is recommended in all Usenet newsgroups. Here in clpmisc, most
clpmisc...
> =head1 AUTHOR
>
> Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com>
As you've asked for not receiving emailed messages about these rules,
wouldn't it be interesting to put your address as
<comp.lang.perl.misc>? :-) I don't know if it's good practice to do
that...
Nice job! I liked that. Maybe you could borrow some parts from RFC
1855 (netiquette) or cite it too.
See you,
--
Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com>
Departamento de Publicações Conectiva S.A.
Publishing Department Conectiva Inc.
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:05:59 -0500
From: "K6" <blnukem@hotmail.com>
Subject: Printing Vertically
Message-Id: <916bmg$ht1$1@news.monmouth.com>
Hi All
I've run into a problem, I need to print a value vertically instead of
normal horizontal
any ideas?
Thanx
K6
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Date: 13 Dec 2000 01:35:01 GMT
From: Tina Mueller <tinamue@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: Ready Made Form Data?
Message-Id: <916jo5$388bl$1@fu-berlin.de>
hi,
vivekvp <vivekvp@spliced.com> wrote:
> I need to take data from a form (data see below) I have below and send
> it to a perl script that would write it to a mysql database.
> I am not sure how to separate the data sent in the form - and send it
> http://www.xxx.com/database/test/?=555&=444&=4444&=222&=555&=5555&first_
perldoc CGI
hth,
tina
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please don't email unless offtopic or followup is set. thanx
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:42:20 GMT
From: garry@ifr.zvolve.net (Garry Williams)
Subject: Re: scan and read mails from /var/mail
Message-Id: <0uAZ5.768$uF3.50650@eagle.america.net>
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:55:01 GMT, jagman98@home.com
<jagman98@home.com> wrote:
>How can I scan and read mails using perl from /var/mail. Thanks in
>Advance.
find /var/mail -print -exec more {} \;
Oops. I didn't use Perl. Damn.
--
Garry Williams
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:16:55 -0000
From: Chris Stith <mischief@velma.motion.net>
Subject: Re: Tabs and the M^ thing...
Message-Id: <t3dcf7ijmg9m2d@corp.supernews.com>
Lou Moran <lmoran@wtsg.com> wrote:
> --I would like to remove tab spaces and the DOS generated M^ (which I
> think is some sort of carriage return) from some files. (oddly,
> specifically, perl stuff I wrote on the WIN32 side of my laptop
> partition.)
$data =~ s/\s+/ /g; # turns multiple spaces and tabs into a single
# space, /g for global so it does all of them
# in your data chunk
$data =~ tr/\r//; # transliterate all carriage returns into nothing,
# thereby getting rid of them
This should work to turn a DOS text file into a Unixish file.
Just read it line-at-a-time using the while(<>) idiom, do the
above transformations, then print the modified data back out.
I think this has been a FAQ in this newsgroup lately.
Normally I'd recommend to send the file singly across an FTP
link, but if you are in a dual-boot situation, that would of
course require an extra machine (barring opening an FTP session
to your own machine's address to abuse FTP as an over-blown
local copy).
Chris
--
Christopher E. Stith - mischief@motion.net
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:17:40 GMT
From: rzilavec@tcn.net (Richard Zilavec)
Subject: Re: Tabs and the M^ thing...
Message-Id: <3a36b1c4.18410400@news.tcn.net>
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:21:46 -0500, Lou Moran <lmoran@wtsg.com> wrote:
perl -i.bak -pe 's/\r//' *.pl
--
Richard Zilavec
rzilavec@tcn.net
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:15:45 -0000
From: Chris Stith <mischief@velma.motion.net>
Subject: Re: Tabs and the M^ thing...
Message-Id: <t3dfth9q8q5743@corp.supernews.com>
Richard Zilavec <rzilavec@tcn.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:21:46 -0500, Lou Moran <lmoran@wtsg.com> wrote:
> perl -i.bak -pe 's/\r//' *.pl
A nice one-liner, but it doesn't get rid of tabs, or am I missing
something?
How about this:
perl -i.bak -pe 'tr/\t\r/ /d' *.pl
I'm not much used to writing one-liners or doing one-liner golf,
so this may be longer than necessary.
Although the OP said his primary requirement was getting rid of
carriage returns, he also mentioned a secondary goal of getting
rid of tabs. I didn't see where the other one-liners were
removing tabs as well as carriage returns though. This assumes
that the tabs should be replaced by a single space, since tabs
are probably there for some reason.
Chris
--
Christopher E. Stith - mischief@motion.net
print "$standard_disclaimer\n";
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:40:57 -0600
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: Tabs and the M^ thing...
Message-Id: <slrn93dhcp.11j.tadmc@maxim.metronet.com>
Lou Moran <lmoran@wtsg.com> wrote:
>--I would like to remove tab spaces and the DOS generated M^
perldoc -f tr
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:25:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: efflandt@xnet.com (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Tabs and the M^ thing...
Message-Id: <slrn93dk00.3io.efflandt@efflandt.xnet.com>
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Chris Stith <mischief@velma.motion.net> wrote:
>Lou Moran <lmoran@wtsg.com> wrote:
>> --I would like to remove tab spaces and the DOS generated M^ (which I
>> think is some sort of carriage return) from some files. (oddly,
>> specifically, perl stuff I wrote on the WIN32 side of my laptop
>> partition.)
>
>$data =~ s/\s+/ /g; # turns multiple spaces and tabs into a single
> # space, /g for global so it does all of them
> # in your data chunk
>
>$data =~ tr/\r//; # transliterate all carriage returns into nothing,
> # thereby getting rid of them
>
>This should work to turn a DOS text file into a Unixish file.
>Just read it line-at-a-time using the while(<>) idiom, do the
>above transformations, then print the modified data back out.
I don't think so. According to perldoc perlop regarding tr/// or y///:
If the REPLACEMENTLIST is
empty, the SEARCHLIST is replicated. This latter
is useful for counting characters in a class or
for squashing character sequences in a class.
>I think this has been a FAQ in this newsgroup lately.
I hope not if perlop is true.
I think removing carriage returns in Windows might require using binmode,
in which case s/\015//g; should remove carriage returns (but not
linefeeds). But I have not done Perl in Windows for years, so I cannot
test that.
--
David Efflandt efflandt@xnet.com http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:14:30 GMT
From: "bigtiny" <khedger@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Visual Perl
Message-Id: <W3AZ5.100363$751.2450015@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>
Chris Stith <mischief@velma.motion.net> wrote in message
news:t3armd7ontfbe0@corp.supernews.com...
> Justin and or Denitza <justinl@lvcablemodem.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone else find it annoying that you have to be a Microsoft
Certified
> > Certification Class Taker to try out the Visual Perl Beta?
>
> Not particularly, since Microsoft Visual P++ or whatever they end up
calling
> it won't really be Perl at all. will have outrageous proprietary
extensions,
> will be barely compatible, and won't run on anything but Microsoft's own
> proprietary mess of an operating system family. This is how most anything
> that says "Visual" in the name comes to be.
>
> Visual C/C++ was this way from the staert, and slowly became closer to the
> standard in the areas it was meant to be standard. Visual J++ was promised
> to be 100% Sun compatible and wasn't. I believe there may have been a suit
> brought over that very fact.
>
> Visual Basic isn't even compatible in any way with Microsoft's own
> QBasic/QuickBasic/Basic Professional Development System (MS Basic PDS),
> all of which were compatible with each other but were a proprietary
dialect
> of Basic. So, you see, Microsoft's proprietary tools can't even maintain
> compatibility with Microsoft's proprietary tools.
>
> > Does anyone know a way around this? (please no replies like
> > "hack the planet, save the rainforest, tell your boss to switch to BSD")
>
> You could become a Microsoft Certified Certification Class Taker. That's
> the most common way to get past the requirement to be a Microsoft
> Certified Certification Class Taker, I'd guess. From the wording of what
> sounds like it's supposed to be an auspicious title, you just have to be
> certified to take a class to become certified, which should be either a
> vicious circle or a matter of registering to take a class on how to
> become Microsoft certified in something.
>
> Hack the computers. The planet is mostly just a hunk of rock under high
> pressure. Save all the forests. No need to discriminate unfairly. Tell
> your boss you'd rather use ActivePerl if you must use Perl on Windows,
> since it is a tried and tested distribution that costs nothing to use
> and has (relatively) inexpensive support available.
>
> Optionally, tell your boss you'd really rather be using a stable
> implementation of your tools in a stable operating environment, such
> as a commercial or open source Unix-like system. I say this is optional,
> because I know my idel work environment may not be the same as yours.
> While I would suggest Linux or Solaris (or maybe even SCO or, yes,
> a BSD derivative - except HP-UX) and the Perl source distribution.
>
> Chris Stith
> --
> Christopher E. Stith - mischief@motion.net
>
Yeah, but at least you'll be able to write PERL that looks like Visual
Basic! =:-)
<tongue firmly in cheek>
keith
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perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
answer them even if I did know the answer.
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