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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 13 Nov 2000 Volume: 9 Number: 4878
Today's topics:
Re: Pushing a hash on to a stack... (Christopher Burke)
Re: Pushing a hash on to a stack... <iltzu@sci.invalid>
Re: Pushing a hash on to a stack... <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
Realrates.com needs your Rate and Salary Data! <ruhl@realrates.com>
Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Substitution help <miriamsmit@zonnet.nl>
Re: Sysread and 0x0A <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Re: Sysread and 0x0A <rpanman@my-deja.com>
Re: use-ing .pm file from different dir (Rafael Garcia-Suarez)
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 16 Sep 99) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:01:05 GMT
From: craznar@hotmail.com (Christopher Burke)
Subject: Re: Pushing a hash on to a stack...
Message-Id: <8FEBD1E8ACraznar@24.192.1.17>
bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur) wrote in
<stcv0t8kirbsglch76r4ajhe9fq7v518ta@4ax.com>:
>FYI:In Perl,
>
> $array[0]->{x}
>
>and
>
> $array[0]{x}
>
>are two different syntaxes for exactly the same thing.
>
Well my version of perl $array[0]->{x} and $array[0]{x} did different
things. I worked out how to use push such that $hash[0]->{x} worked but
$array[0]{x} did not.
--
---
/* Christopher Burke - Spam Mail to craznar@hotmail.com
|* www.craznar.com - International Internet Writing Experiment
\* Real mail to cburke(at)craznar(dot)com
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Date: 13 Nov 2000 12:56:04 GMT
From: Ilmari Karonen <iltzu@sci.invalid>
Subject: Re: Pushing a hash on to a stack...
Message-Id: <974119744.21787@itz.pp.sci.fi>
In article <8FEB50224Craznar@24.192.1.17>, Christopher Burke wrote:
>tjla@guvfybir.qlaqaf.bet (Gwyn Judd) wrote in
><slrn90t9ac.qlu.tjla@thislove.dyndns.org>:
>>Actually I think we can safely assume that your "I'm right and everyone
>>else is wrong, don't ask me for more information, oh and by the way I
>>already solved the problem, and don't tell me anything I might not have
>>already known because I'm such a genius, don't try to suggest a
>>different way to do it because then you *must* be attacking me" attitude
>>has landed you in killfiles everywhere. But hey, you're in such good
>>company you'd probably think that's a good thing.
>
>I stated I had already solved the problem in the original post - from that
>point on I was bombarded with sarcasm and attacks. I also have stated
>several times that Perl is new to me - but I am a long term programmer.
Christopher.. Craznar.. Say, aren't you the guy who started that
enormous thread over in rasfc? I'm *not* claiming you're doing it on
purpose, but you do have to admit that you seem to have a talent of
getting into these situations.
--
Ilmari Karonen -- http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/
"But don't give Bill Gates ideas; it would be a bad thing for the surplus if
Microsoft decided it wanted its tax exemption as a religious organization."
-- Elisabeth Carey in rec.arts.sf.composition
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:14:26 GMT
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: Pushing a hash on to a stack...
Message-Id: <a4101tc92tg04b7lqda1s79fi6lfelrugq@4ax.com>
Christopher Burke wrote:
>Well my version of perl $array[0]->{x} and $array[0]{x} did different
>things. I worked out how to use push such that $hash[0]->{x} worked but
>$array[0]{x} did not.
That's weird.
$array[0]->{x} = 123;
print $array[0]{x};
-->
123
Also, I quote from perlref:
$array[$x]->{"foo"}->[0] = "January";
[...]
One more thing here. The arrow is optional *between* brackets
subscripts, so you can shrink the above down to
$array[$x]{"foo"}[0] = "January";
Which, in the degenerate case of using only ordinary arrays,
gives you multidimensional arrays just like C's:
$score[$x][$y][$z] += 42;
Well, okay, not entirely like C's arrays, actually. C doesn't
know how to grow its arrays on demand. Perl does.
--
Bart.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:48:25 -0500
From: "Janet Ruhl" <ruhl@realrates.com>
Subject: Realrates.com needs your Rate and Salary Data!
Message-Id: <8uov5i$o6t$1@bob.news.rcn.net>
Folks,
I'm posting this message on the newsgroups where we've seen Realrates.com
recommended as a resource over the past year.
The end of the year is coming and once again we are asking working computer
professionals to consider contributing their consulting rate or IT salary
information to our surveys. You'll find them at
http://www.realrates.com/survey.htm (rates) and
http://www.realrates.com/ssurvey.htm (salaries).
Our data comes only from visitor contributions. We make occasional postings
like this but NEVER actively go out and get data for the surveys.
By contributing your data, you ensure that this data is representative of
the real salaries and rates received by real working computer professionals.
Over the past year we've seen a dramatic inversion in the kinds of
submissions we are receiving. A year ago most of our contributors sent us
rates. Now the majority of what we receive are salaries. Our web site
traffic is the same as it was this time last year and the total number or
contributions is also the same--it's just that we now get almost twice as
many salaries as rates.
We believe that this reflects a major shift in the marketplace from
companies hiring contractors to companies hiring salaried employees, which
is what we hear on our BBS and other anecdotal sources. We'd love to know
more. (The comment field on the survey form, which does not go into the
survey but which we do read is your way of letting us know your opinions).
To address one concern that we've heard about from some contributors, our
surveys still allow you to view ALL the data we get during the year for
free (use the "Search" to do this). We sell downloads to those who cannot
figure out how to do search (i.e. recruiters <g>) and to those who want to
submit our data to serious number crunching. The price of our complete
database download is about 1/20th that of all competing surveys and is well
within the budget of any working programmer.
Why contribute your data? First of all, because by doing so you make it
possible for working computer folk all over the world to learn the truth
about what other people are getting paid for their skills. We display all
the details. No misleading "averages" or summary figures like what you see
on other surveys. You see all the details of each job and can draw your own
conclusions as to whether the data is relevant to you.
Furthermore, after five years of ongoing active word of mouth our survey is
widely used by computer professionals all over the world. Even more
important, our surveys are also used by many government and industry HR
departments who buy our downloads and use our data in their internal rate
and salary setting procedures. Even the media come to us for data--including
the New York Times and Computerworld.
By contributing, you make sure that your data goes into the mix. Every
vote counts. (Oh yeah, you've noticed that recently)
Thanks in advance for your contribution!
--Janet Ruhl
http://www.realrates.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:56:42 -0000
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <t103pq5noplgd0@corp.supernews.com>
Following is a summary of articles spanning a 7 day period,
beginning at 06 Nov 2000 15:43:19 GMT and ending at
13 Nov 2000 13:57:03 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" email address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 2000 Greg Bacon.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Excluded Posters
================
perlfaq-suggestions\@(?:.*\.)?perl\.com
Totals
======
Posters: 416
Articles: 1312 (583 with cutlined signatures)
Threads: 346
Volume generated: 2392.6 kb
- headers: 1058.9 kb (20,888 lines)
- bodies: 1257.2 kb (41,420 lines)
- original: 787.3 kb (28,049 lines)
- signatures: 75.2 kb (1,773 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.626
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 3.2
median: 1.0 post
mode: 1 post - 233 posters
s: 6.5 posts
Posts per thread: 3.8
median: 2.0 posts
mode: 1 post - 107 threads
s: 6.0 posts
Message size: 1867.4 bytes
- header: 826.5 bytes (15.9 lines)
- body: 981.2 bytes (31.6 lines)
- original: 614.5 bytes (21.4 lines)
- signature: 58.7 bytes (1.4 lines)
Top 10 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
79 207.7 ( 69.5/122.8/ 79.0) mgjv@tradingpost.com.au
46 67.1 ( 35.5/ 25.1/ 13.4) Gwyn Judd <tjla@guvfybir.qlaqaf.bet>
39 79.1 ( 35.9/ 42.2/ 27.9) Ren Maddox <ren.maddox@tivoli.com>
34 58.7 ( 29.8/ 24.7/ 15.0) James Taylor <james@NOSPAM.demon.co.uk>
34 62.0 ( 25.5/ 31.8/ 20.2) Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com>
33 64.9 ( 34.9/ 19.8/ 13.9) Mark-Jason Dominus <mjd@plover.com>
31 46.0 ( 24.6/ 21.2/ 13.9) Jeff Zucker <jeff@vpservices.com>
28 47.1 ( 23.8/ 23.1/ 14.8) Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
24 41.4 ( 20.3/ 20.7/ 12.3) Joe Schaefer <joe+usenet@sunstarsys.com>
24 48.5 ( 21.1/ 24.4/ 9.4) Christopher Burke <craznar@hotmail.com>
These posters accounted for 28.4% of all articles.
Top 10 Posters by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
207.7 ( 69.5/122.8/ 79.0) 79 mgjv@tradingpost.com.au
79.1 ( 35.9/ 42.2/ 27.9) 39 Ren Maddox <ren.maddox@tivoli.com>
67.1 ( 35.5/ 25.1/ 13.4) 46 Gwyn Judd <tjla@guvfybir.qlaqaf.bet>
64.9 ( 34.9/ 19.8/ 13.9) 33 Mark-Jason Dominus <mjd@plover.com>
62.0 ( 25.5/ 31.8/ 20.2) 34 Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com>
58.7 ( 29.8/ 24.7/ 15.0) 34 James Taylor <james@NOSPAM.demon.co.uk>
48.5 ( 21.1/ 24.4/ 9.4) 24 Christopher Burke <craznar@hotmail.com>
47.1 ( 23.8/ 23.1/ 14.8) 28 Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
46.0 ( 24.6/ 21.2/ 13.9) 31 Jeff Zucker <jeff@vpservices.com>
43.7 ( 15.1/ 28.1/ 18.2) 19 garry@zvolve.com
These posters accounted for 30.3% of the total volume.
Top 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 0.9 / 0.9) 5 David <qx11@cornell.edu>
0.785 ( 4.8 / 6.1) 8 vidulats@yahoo.co.uk
0.778 ( 4.4 / 5.7) 6 Logan Shaw <logan@cs.utexas.edu>
0.740 ( 6.1 / 8.2) 8 "Wyzelli" <wyzelli@yahoo.com>
0.715 ( 8.4 / 11.8) 8 Henry Hartley <hartleh1@westat.com>
0.703 ( 13.9 / 19.8) 33 Mark-Jason Dominus <mjd@plover.com>
0.693 ( 8.4 / 12.1) 11 Damian Conway <damian@cs.monash.edu.au>
0.688 ( 3.1 / 4.5) 6 nodo70@my-deja.com
0.682 ( 6.0 / 8.7) 7 "Kurt Stephens" <kstep@pepsdesign.com>
0.682 ( 2.3 / 3.4) 6 "Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@mail.cern.ch>
Bottom 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.438 ( 6.2 / 14.1) 9 abigail@foad.org
0.438 ( 1.8 / 4.1) 6 Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
0.430 ( 3.8 / 8.7) 11 "EM" <me@privacy.net>
0.424 ( 3.0 / 7.0) 5 "Paulgee" <paul.g@cableinet.co.uk>
0.412 ( 3.4 / 8.3) 7 Rafael Garcia-Suarez <rgarciasuarez@free.fr>
0.386 ( 9.4 / 24.4) 24 Christopher Burke <craznar@hotmail.com>
0.359 ( 6.4 / 17.8) 18 jason <elephant@squirrelgroup.com>
0.353 ( 3.4 / 9.6) 10 Bob Walton <bwalton@rochester.rr.com>
0.328 ( 1.4 / 4.1) 9 Clay Irving <clay@panix.com>
0.289 ( 3.8 / 13.1) 14 "Peter Sundstrom" <peter.sundstrom@eds.com>
49 posters (11%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Threads by Number of Posts
=================================
Posts Subject
----- -------
71 Pushing a hash on to a stack...
28 OOP and information hiding
28 Self-modifying code in Perl
23 percent-underscore: %_
21 strip html tags from string $text
18 $password = crypt($pass, ar);
18 Random Array with Sort?
16 Hash assignments in loops?
15 Problem reading a binary file
14 MS SQL & Perl
These threads accounted for 19.2% of all articles.
Top 10 Threads by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Subject
-------------------------- ----- -------
160.4 ( 63.9/ 87.0/ 48.5) 71 Pushing a hash on to a stack...
65.2 ( 25.0/ 37.6/ 21.7) 28 Self-modifying code in Perl
62.1 ( 24.1/ 36.7/ 21.2) 28 OOP and information hiding
43.2 ( 21.2/ 18.9/ 11.0) 23 percent-underscore: %_
43.0 ( 15.8/ 25.7/ 16.6) 18 Random Array with Sort?
34.3 ( 18.6/ 14.3/ 8.3) 21 strip html tags from string $text
31.8 ( 11.9/ 19.2/ 10.6) 14 MS SQL & Perl
30.8 ( 16.1/ 13.1/ 6.3) 18 $password = crypt($pass, ar);
30.1 ( 9.2/ 19.7/ 13.9) 12 Help - read from CSV
28.9 ( 2.2/ 26.7/ 23.4) 3 Perl DBD::ODBC compilation problem on Tru64
These threads accounted for 22.1% of the total volume.
Top 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.854 ( 2.8/ 3.3) 7 Perl prototype for program in c
0.832 ( 2.0/ 2.4) 6 returning arrays from a subroutine
0.796 ( 3.3/ 4.1) 5 using 2 arrays in a foreach loop
0.769 ( 5.2/ 6.7) 7 read > find > run
0.764 ( 4.5/ 5.9) 8 How to return @Array1 and @Array2?
0.760 ( 4.0/ 5.2) 5 Anonymous Data (probably very easy)
0.759 ( 2.1/ 2.8) 5 Are # comments really comments?
0.734 ( 3.3/ 4.5) 5 Perl and mysql
0.732 ( 4.8/ 6.6) 8 Passing args as references
0.713 ( 3.6/ 5.1) 5 Freshman parameter question
Bottom 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.394 ( 1.7 / 4.2) 5 How to call sub routines from a CGI made Form
0.394 ( 1.6 / 4.1) 5 my.cgi.suspended
0.380 ( 2.6 / 6.9) 6 qx(...&); hangs program
0.377 ( 4.1 / 11.0) 12 -e file tester bug
0.373 ( 1.8 / 4.7) 5 problems creating a file
0.365 ( 1.6 / 4.4) 6 NT4 - How do I display the current userid?
0.361 ( 1.3 / 3.5) 7 mail & MIME
0.316 ( 2.0 / 6.3) 6 do you know why this doesn't work?
0.307 ( 0.7 / 2.2) 5 [Way OT] Re: OOP and information hiding
0.280 ( 1.0 / 3.5) 5 Getting the Day of a Date
81 threads (23%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Targets for Crossposts
=============================
Articles Newsgroup
-------- ---------
23 comp.lang.perl
17 alt.perl
14 comp.lang.perl.modules
10 misc.books.technical
10 alt.books.technical
8 comp.lang.perl.tk
6 comp.text.pdf
4 de.comp.lang.perl.misc
3 comp.lang.perl.moderated
2 comp.text.xml
Top 10 Crossposters
===================
Articles Address
-------- -------
20 David <qx11@cornell.edu>
7 "Paulgee" <paul.g@cableinet.co.uk>
6 Dave E <dave_at_hm@hotmail.com>
6 Dick Latshaw <latsharj@my-deja.com>
4 "Clyde Ingram" <cingram-at-pjocs-dot-demon-dot-co-dot-uk>
4 "Michael Cook" <mikecook@cigarpool.com>
4 Mark Badolato <mbadolato@cybernox.com>
4 Fergus McMenemie <fergus@twig.demon.co.uk>
3 Ren Maddox <ren.maddox@tivoli.com>
3 "Darryl Olthoff" <olthoff@multiboard.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:00:45 +0100
From: "Michel Wouterse" <miriamsmit@zonnet.nl>
Subject: Substitution help
Message-Id: <R9UP5.32541$tL4.438461@zonnet-reader-1>
Hi Helpers (at least some of you),
Could anyone point me in the richt direction.
I would like to know, how a substitution is made if I want characters like
',",@,...etc to succesfuly be handled by perl.
I know for instance that \@ is the format needed by sendmail and win:smtp
When I enter one of the other characters in a form, the form will not be
handled correctly.
Since I am trying to store comment in a database, the characters are needed
though.
Now.... if you do not care to hand me the solution...fine... just point me
in the right direction.
a simple CPAN redirection is fine... I've been looking there as well.
Any good tutorials on this matter?
Otherwise....if you do care..... the solution itself (line of code) would be
nice too.
Thanks anyway,
Michel
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:20:18 +0100
From: Josef Moellers <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Subject: Re: Sysread and 0x0A
Message-Id: <3A0FCE72.D83AB8F6@fujitsu-siemens.com>
rpanman@my-deja.com wrote:
> =
> Hi
> =
> I'm having problems using sysread to read data from a file. The problem=
> is that when sysread() encounters 0x0A it doesn't put it in the scalar.=
> The data on either side of 0x0A are present so I don't know where it's
> going.
> =
> Any help would be greatly appreciated because I'm starting to tear my
> hair out.
Did you put your sourcefile into binmode?
Just a guess,
-- =
Josef M=F6llers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett)
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:29:32 -0000
From: "Richard Panman" <rpanman@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Sysread and 0x0A
Message-Id: <8uoisb$n94$1@newstoo.ericsson.se>
I've tried that... still no luck. BTW the script is on Win98.
Here's the basics of it
...
sysopen(INPUT, $inputFile,"<") or die "Couldn't open the input file\n";
binmode INPUT;
...
...
sysread INPUT, my $recordData,25;
....
The data in the file is (in hex):
3200000A 23410100 0000010F 44852340 010FFFFF 2337FFFF 00FF
Its comes out as
320000 23410100 0000010F 44852340 010FFFFF 2337FFFF 00FF
I've tried with "read" as well but still no luck.
Aaargh!
"Josef Moellers" <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com> wrote in message
news:3A0FCE72.D83AB8F6@fujitsu-siemens.com...
rpanman@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I'm having problems using sysread to read data from a file. The problem
> is that when sysread() encounters 0x0A it doesn't put it in the scalar.
> The data on either side of 0x0A are present so I don't know where it's
> going.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated because I'm starting to tear my
> hair out.
Did you put your sourcefile into binmode?
Just a guess,
--
Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett)
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:23:15 GMT
From: rgarciasuarez@free.fr (Rafael Garcia-Suarez)
Subject: Re: use-ing .pm file from different dir
Message-Id: <slrn90vjqk.8vn.rgarciasuarez@rafael.kazibao.net>
DoC wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
>dVoon said this:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>If I have a user-defined 'myfunc.pm' file in ~/cgi-bin/sharefunc/ , how
>>do I 'use' it from other different directories?
>>
>>I have tried putting the full path like:
>>
>> use /home/httpd/cgi-bin/sharefunc/myfunc;
>>or
>> use "/home/httpd/cgi-bin/sharefunc/myfunc";
>>
>>all have failed to even compile :(
>>
>If it's just a bunch of useful methods in a file as opposed to an actual
>OO perl module, then you can just go
>
>require '/home/httpd/cgi-bin/sharefunc/myfunc.pm'
'require' reads the file at runtime and does not import any symbols.
'use' is executed at compile-time (a plus for debugging compilation
errors) and does import symbols. This has nothing to do with OO modules
: they don't export (usually) symbols in the main namespace. In most
cases, it is not a good idea to replace require by use.
>If not, you could try invoking perl and telling it to look in this directory
>in your scripts. I.e. instead of the first line of scripts being
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl
>
>Change it to:
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl -I/home/httpd/cgi-bin/sharefunc
A more simpler, portable and perlish way to go :
use lib '/home/httpd/cgi-bin/sharefunc';
use myfunc;
--
# Rafael Garcia-Suarez / http://rgarciasuarez.free.fr/
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