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Perl-Users Digest Tue, 3 Oct 2000 Volume: 9 Number: 4507
Today's topics:
PERL DEVELOPER OPPORTUNITY <gardner@cadvision.com>
Re: PERL DEVELOPER OPPORTUNITY <mauldin@netstorm.net>
Re: Perl module for WAP/WML??? <lfvieira@dcc.ufmg.br>
Perl Scripts Downloading <gi59@dial.pipex.com>
Re: Perl Scripts Downloading <thunderbear@bigfoot.com>
Re: Perl Scripts Downloading <gi59@dial.pipex.com>
Perl tutorials <tigz@ntlworld.com>
Re: Perl tutorials <anders@wall.alweb.dk>
Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl <elaine@chaos.wustl.edu>
Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl <nospam@david-steuber.com>
Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl (Ben Coleman)
Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl (Chris Fedde)
reading a secret <lists@a1.org.uk>
Re: reading a secret <anders@wall.alweb.dk>
Re: Reverse by paragraphs - NOT! <bkennedy99@home.com>
Re: Reverse by paragraphs - NOT! <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo>
Re: scripts not working <jeff@vpservices.com>
Re: Sendmail/Perl question <aslay@ucsd.edu>
Re: Testing for undef in XS (Richard J. Rauenzahn)
Re: UPgrade to 5.6.0 and mod_perl_problems (Konstantinos Agouros)
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 16 Sep 99) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:44:05 -0600
From: "Susan Gardner" <gardner@cadvision.com>
Subject: PERL DEVELOPER OPPORTUNITY
Message-Id: <39da1b59_4@news.cadvision.com>
Looking for a contract PERL developer opportunity in Canada. Currently
looking for developers for contract opportunities.
See http://atlantic.sisystems.com/SI+Apps/DealFlow.nsf/WCOFCal?OpenForm
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:52:00 GMT
From: Jim Mauldin <mauldin@netstorm.net>
Subject: Re: PERL DEVELOPER OPPORTUNITY
Message-Id: <39DA1C79.A281A9BE@netstorm.net>
Susan Gardner wrote:
>
> Looking for a contract PERL developer opportunity in Canada. Currently
> looking for developers for contract opportunities.
>
> See http://atlantic.sisystems.com/SI+Apps/DealFlow.nsf/WCOFCal?OpenForm
Uh oh - you're in trouble now ...
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:23:36 -0300
From: Luiz Filipe Menezes Vieira <lfvieira@dcc.ufmg.br>
To: Tharant <tharant@metgames.com>
Subject: Re: Perl module for WAP/WML???
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1001003122226.16388A-100000@diamante>
There is CGI::WML
http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/id/A/AW/AWOOD/CGI-WML-0.05.tar.gz
Good luck,
Luiz Filipe
lfvieira@dcc.ufmg.br
Computer Science Student
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Tharant wrote:
> I have some Perl CGIs I need to use to dynamically create WML decks.
> Is there a Perl module or function that will help with this?
>
> (WML, as in Wireless Markup Language, as in WAP enabled devices, as in
> Wireless Web Cell Phones.) :-)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -tharant
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:25:41 +0100
From: "Alan Hood" <gi59@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Perl Scripts Downloading
Message-Id: <8rd0cg$483$1@lure.pipex.net>
I am running some perl scripts on an NT server provided by an ISP.
For some reason when I run a script it tries to download instead.
It only happens on one URL with scripts with an extension of .pl.
Can anybody tell me why ?
If it is possible to do this from a browser, is there any way to ensure that
my scripts are protected from downloading ?
Alan Hood
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:30:36 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorbj=F8rn?= Ravn Andersen <thunderbear@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Scripts Downloading
Message-Id: <39DA09AC.348CDF5B@bigfoot.com>
Alan Hood wrote:
>
> I am running some perl scripts on an NT server provided by an ISP.
>
> For some reason when I run a script it tries to download instead.
>
> It only happens on one URL with scripts with an extension of .pl.
>
> Can anybody tell me why ?
Are you certain that this particular file is installed according to your
ISP's directions for CGI-files?
--
Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen "...plus...Tubular Bells!"
http://bigfoot.com/~thunderbear
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:58:13 +0100
From: "Alan Hood" <gi59@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Scripts Downloading
Message-Id: <8rd29g$53l$1@lure.pipex.net>
> Are you certain that this particular file is installed according to your
> ISP's directions for CGI-files?
I think so.
I have also found a friend accessing from another client runs the script OK.
Looks like I've done something on my machine.
Alan Hood
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:45:41 +0100
From: "Tigz" <tigz@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Perl tutorials
Message-Id: <g3oC5.10861$uq5.201338@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>
Hi, could anybody tell me were i can find some good perl tutorials.
Thankx
Mick
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:09:53 +0200
From: Anders Lund <anders@wall.alweb.dk>
Subject: Re: Perl tutorials
Message-Id: <AqoC5.133$u23.9787@news000.worldonline.dk>
Tigz wrote:
> Hi, could anybody tell me were i can find some good perl tutorials.
> Thankx
> Mick
>
>
One hint could be searching this news group--
Another to take a look at some of all the web sites dedicated to perl, you
could do worse than starting out at http://www.perl.com , or you could go
tso a search service such as http://www.goggle.com and search for "perl
turorial".
Lots of options out there..
-anders
--
[ the word wall - and the trailing dot - in my email address
is my _fire_wall - protecting me from the criminals abusing usenet]
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:26:47 GMT
From: Elaine Ashton <elaine@chaos.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl
Message-Id: <B5FF72FC.748C%elaine@chaos.wustl.edu>
in article brian+usenet-C5C4D6.10340103102000@news.panix.com, brian d foy at
brian+usenet@smithrenaud.com quoth:
> In article <8rar0b$7nm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, cmalcolm@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Is there a list of major web sites that are using mod_perl
>> succesfully?
>
> see http://perl.apache.org
Both PAUSE and search.cpan.org use mod_perl too. In fact, PAUSE was the
first to use it IIRC.
>> 2) It is too slow.
> mod_perl is really speedy.
It can be speedy but, like anything else, it totally depends on the
application it's running and the system it's running on. Overall it tends to
be a win in performance.
>> 5) They say you can't employ 'Perl certified engineers'!!!
> you can't. of course, certification doesn't mean anything but
> that is a different flame war.
*gasp* the "C Word" ...there is actually a mailing list for the discussion
of such things as certfication at
http://netizen.com.au/mailman/listinfo/perlcert
e.
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:32:21 GMT
From: David Steuber <nospam@david-steuber.com>
Subject: Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl
Message-Id: <m3zokmvt2x.fsf@solo.david-steuber.com>
Bruce Schiller <brew1@voicenet.com> writes:
' A rotary engine Wankel might be a good engine, but would you buy a car
' with one under the hood? Luckily there are more perl programmers than
' Wankel mechanics, I think!
<off-topic>
I used to dream of owning a Mazda RX-7.
</off-topic>
I am very slowly (because there are several things to learn at once
for me) learning mod_perl. (Those things are Apache, Perl, &
PostgreSQL.) I am doing this because I feel that mod_perl will beat
all other existing technologies for web development by every metric
save LOCs. I think you will end up with fewer LOCs for a given
function in most cases.
In other words, once I am proficient with Perl, I should be able to
implement any idea I come up with fairly rapidly and with good
performance to boot.
I've got the Perl Mongers site bookmarked. Once I have a chance, I
will get myself into a users group. I will also be lurking here with
the occasional outbursts of stupidity. Like now.
--
David Steuber | Perl apprentice, Apache/mod_perl user,
NRA Member | and general Internet web wannabe.
ICQ# 91465842
*** http://www.david-steuber.com/ ***
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:31:28 GMT
From: oloryn@mindspring.com (Ben Coleman)
Subject: Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl
Message-Id: <39da1727.331982275@localhost>
On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:26:47 GMT, Elaine Ashton
<elaine@chaos.wustl.edu> wrote:
>*gasp* the "C Word" ...there is actually a mailing list for the discussion
>of such things as certfication at
>http://netizen.com.au/mailman/listinfo/perlcert
Yeah, but it's been mighty quiet lately.
Ben
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:54:38 GMT
From: cfedde@u.i.sl3d.com (Chris Fedde)
Subject: Re: Proving the greatness of mod_perl
Message-Id: <y3pC5.100$D4.170306560@news.frii.net>
In article <B5FF72FC.748C%elaine@chaos.wustl.edu>,
Elaine Ashton <elaine@chaos.wustl.edu> wrote:
>
>*gasp* the "C Word" ...there is actually a mailing list for the discussion
>of such things as certfication at
>http://netizen.com.au/mailman/listinfo/perlcert
>
Anyone that wants Perl Certification may receive one by send me a
numismatic item with the number 20 appearing on at least one face
and a self addressed stamped envelope.
Your certificate will be printed on low quality laser print paper,
or any 8.5x11 inch paper that you provide and is compatible with my printer,
The text below will appear in a formal serif font over a fake
watermark representation of the unofficial seal of the Secret
Society for the Creation and Preservation of Artificial Complexity:
Let it be known that $Name has qualified as $Level in $Field
by the rigorous standards of the SSCPAC and is hereby granted
all privilege and responsibility that this certification endows.
Signed__$Signatureimage___________ Date__$Date___
$Signaturentext
Your certificate will arrive endorsed with a facsimile signature
of one of this nations founding fathers. All variable fields are
at the discretion of the requester (within the bounds of good taste,
as judged by me). Allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery.
Please contact me via e-mail for more details.
--
This space intentionally left blank
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:26:02 +0100
From: Bap <lists@a1.org.uk>
Subject: reading a secret
Message-Id: <39DA16AA.3843978D@a1.org.uk>
Hello all,
can any one help me with this one?
I need to somehow flush the input buffer immediately before I ask for a
password,
so that when I read the input, I only get what is typed after the prompt
is output.
This is for an install script for a database ap. which if is not
supplied with uname and
passwd, will default to the current EUID and ask for their pg password.
The sleep is
there so that I can enter chars into the buffer while I try to get this
to work.
sub askForPass{
my( $key, $pass );
sleep 5;
ReadMode 2;
while( defined( $key = ReadKey( -1 ) ) ){
# I hoped this would clear it, but, no.
}
#my $term = Term::ReadLine->new();
#$term->OUT;
print "Enter postgres password for $USERNAME:";
until( ( $key = ReadKey( 0 ) ) eq "\n" ){
$pass .= $key;
}
#$pass = ReadLine 0;
#$pass = $term->readline( "Enter postgres password for $USERNAME:" );
ReadMode 0;
print "\n$pass\n";
}
Thanks in advance for any help,
Bap.
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:41:54 +0200
From: Anders Lund <anders@wall.alweb.dk>
Subject: Re: reading a secret
Message-Id: <XUoC5.136$UW.9540@news010.worldonline.dk>
Bap wrote:
> Hello all,
> can any one help me with this one?
> I need to somehow flush the input buffer immediately before I ask for a
> password,
> so that when I read the input, I only get what is typed after the prompt
> is output.
>
> This is for an install script for a database ap. which if is not
> supplied with uname and
> passwd, will default to the current EUID and ask for their pg password.
> The sleep is
> there so that I can enter chars into the buffer while I try to get this
> to work.
>
> sub askForPass{
> my( $key, $pass );
> sleep 5;
> ReadMode 2;
> while( defined( $key = ReadKey( -1 ) ) ){
> # I hoped this would clear it, but, no.
> }
> #my $term = Term::ReadLine->new();
> #$term->OUT;
> print "Enter postgres password for $USERNAME:";
> until( ( $key = ReadKey( 0 ) ) eq "\n" ){
> $pass .= $key;
> }
> #$pass = ReadLine 0;
> #$pass = $term->readline( "Enter postgres password for $USERNAME:" );
> ReadMode 0;
> print "\n$pass\n";
> }
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> Bap.
>
??
print "hello, how are you? ";
$answer = <STDIN>;
chop $answer;
print "Sorry, why don't you take the rest of the day of!\n" unless $answer;
for ($answer) {
print "nice\n", last if /fine/i;
#...
}
-anders
--
[ the word wall - and the trailing dot - in my email address
is my _fire_wall - protecting me from the criminals abusing usenet]
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:14:02 GMT
From: "Ben Kennedy" <bkennedy99@home.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse by paragraphs - NOT!
Message-Id: <_ImC5.21064$td5.3644226@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>
"Godzilla!" <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo> wrote in message
news:39D955B8.8FC3E766@stomp.stomp.tokyo...
> ollie_spencer@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> (snippage)
>
> > I didn't mean to imply I don't have a way to reverse
> > the file paragraph by paragraph - I just reverse the
> > whole dern thing...
..
> Having you here, constantly changing parameters,
> arguing with people, looking to get in a dig when
> you can, posting malice intent articles under myriad
> fake names, both male and female, is extremely rude,
> extremely thoughtless and your track history, clearly
> defines you as mentally unstable if not outright,
> psychotic.
The OP asked a simple question, thanked everyone for the replies, posted
ernest followups, thanked everyone again, etc. There was nothing
argumentative or malicious in his posts. Now I do believe that you think he
was harassing the newsgroup in general, not you personally - this was not
clear from your post. My initial reaction was "Boy is she paranoid" - but I
do think you are wrong to think there is one person out there faking
requests for (and receiving) help for various problems in this newsgroup.
--Ben Kennedy
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:54:26 -0700
From: "Godzilla!" <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo>
Subject: Re: Reverse by paragraphs - NOT!
Message-Id: <39DA0132.20572263@stomp.stomp.tokyo>
Ben Kennedy wrote:
> Godzilla! wrote:
> > ollie_spencer@my-deja.com wrote:
> > (snippage)
> > > I didn't mean to imply I don't have a way to reverse
> > > the file paragraph by paragraph - I just reverse the
> > > whole dern thing...
> ..
> > Having you here, constantly changing parameters,
> > arguing with people, looking to get in a dig when
> > you can, posting malice intent articles under myriad
> > fake names, both male and female, is extremely rude,
> > extremely thoughtless and your track history, clearly
> > defines you as mentally unstable if not outright,
> > psychotic.
> The OP asked a simple question, thanked everyone for the
> replies, posted ernest followups, thanked everyone again,
> etc. There was nothing argumentative or malicious in his
> posts. Now I do believe that you think he was harassing
> the newsgroup in general, not you personally - this was not
> clear from your post. My initial reaction was "Boy is she
> paranoid" - but I do think you are wrong to think there is
> one person out there faking requests for (and receiving)
> help for various problems in this newsgroup.
> --Ben Kennedy
Well tarnation, Ollie. What type of yo-yo do you
take me to be? A stringless yo-yo?
* walks the dog with her yo-yo *
What a dolt you are Ollie. Easy enough to see I am a
talented yo-yo woman, often simply called "Yo Woman!"
* rocks the cradle with her yo-yo *
I have a string, Ollie, and wax it well with bee's wax.
* goes around the world with her yo-yo *
Look at this, Ollie. A Duncan yo-yo, the best made.
* does a shooting star smacking Ollie on his forehead *
Mine is an awesome and talented yo-yo perfect for stringing
along a stringless yo-yo such as yourself, Frank.
Godzilla!
--
Dr. Kiralynne Schilitubi ¦ Cooling Fan Specialist
UofD: University of Duh! ¦ ENIAC Hard Wiring Pro
BumScrew, South of Egypt ¦ HTML Programming Class
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:50:41 -0700
From: Jeff Zucker <jeff@vpservices.com>
Subject: Re: scripts not working
Message-Id: <39DA0E61.4E881042@vpservices.com>
[I have re-arranged this to be in chronological order, in the future,
please put your responses *after* the message you are responding to,
thanks]
Pasquale wrote:
>
> Jeff Zucker wrote:
>
> > Pasquale wrote:
> > >
> > > I have some perl scripts I was testing on Hypermart and they were
> > > working perfectly fine. I tried them on Freedom 2 Surf & they are not
> > > working(Internal Server Error).
> >
> > use CGI::Carp qw(fatalsToBrowser);
>
> Thanks. I received the following error:
> Can't locate CGI/Cookie.pm in @INC.....
> Does this mean they(F2S) do not have or support CGI::Cookie?
It probably means that they are using an ancient version of CGI.pm.
AFAIK, all recent versions of CGI.pm come with CGI::Cookie as part of
it. You could ask them to update their version of CGI.pm (using as an
inticement the fact that there are known security hazards in older
versions of the module), or you could install it yourself in your own
directory. You could do that with only FTP access since the module does
not require compilation. See perlfaq8 "How do I keep my own
module/library directory" for details.
--
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:52:50 -0700
From: Rip Curl <aslay@ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: Sendmail/Perl question
Message-Id: <39DA1CF1.2EDA4CD5@ucsd.edu>
?????
Oh no you didn't... This wasn't directed at me right?? Cause nowhere in the
original post did they mention security.
"Alan J. Flavell" forgot to put on his glasses before posting an wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Rip Curl jeopardized:
>
> > O DontBlameRipCurl=sorryfornotknowingaboutsecurityriskjusttryingtohelp!
>
> Anyone who advises on security risks without understanding them is
> by definition _NOT_ trying to help, but is making themselves part of
> the problem.
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Date: 3 Oct 2000 17:37:33 GMT
From: nospam@hairball.cup.hp.com (Richard J. Rauenzahn)
Subject: Re: Testing for undef in XS
Message-Id: <970594652.111441@hpvablab.cup.hp.com>
brian@ingerson.com (Brian Ingerson) writes:
>> I'd like to test an SV * parameter in my XSUB for undefinedness.
>>
>> I can't find this documented in perlguts or perlxs, and sv.h doesn't
>> make it clearer either.
>
>From 'perldoc perlapi' (available in 5.6.0)
> PL_sv_undef
> This is the `undef' SV. Always refer to this as
> `&PL_sv_undef'.
>
> SV PL_sv_undef
>
>>
>> I've found example code[1] that compares the SV *arg against
>> &PL_sv_undef, but that seems wrong (I tried it anyway, and my testing
>> confirms it.)
>
>What is your testing?
I'm tieing an array...
############################################################
SV *
SpecialInsert(Array, Index, Value)
############################################################
PREINIT:
SV ** psv = 0;
INPUT:
void * Array
long Index
SV * Value
CODE:
printf("SV = 0x%08x, undef = 0x%08x\n", Value, &PL_sv_undef);
psv = (SV **)SpecialInsert(&Array, Index);
[...]
In the .pm...
sub STORE {
my ($self, $index, $value) = @_;
my $ref = SpecialInsert($self->{A}, $index, $value);
return $value;
}
The test code..
{
my @a;
tie @a, 'Special';
$_ = 0;
$a[$_] = undef;
undef $a[$_];
my $b;
$a[$_] = $b;
$b = "foooooo!";
$a[$_] = $b;
}
Output...
SV = 0x4003b798, undef = 0x4000f368
SV = 0x4003b798, undef = 0x4000f368
SV = 0x4003b798, undef = 0x4000f368
SV = 0x4003b798, undef = 0x4000f368
It seems to make sense to me that the 'SV *Value' not be equal to
&PL_sv_undef... SV *Value should only be a copy of PL_sv_undef.
>Scanning the Perl 5.6 source revealed 164 lines containing PL_sv_undef
>most of which are setting to or testing for undef. I've used PL_sv_undef
>successfully in my code as well. I'm suspect of your method.
Maybe that only works for missing parameters? Or when SV *foo is
explicitly set to &PL_sv_undef?
Rich
--
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Technical Consultant | I speak for me, | 19055 Pruneridge Ave.
Development Alliances Lab| *not* HP | MS 46TU2
ESPD / E-Serv. Partner Division +--------------+---- Cupertino, CA 95014
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Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:48:16 +0200
From: elwood@news.agouros.de (Konstantinos Agouros)
Subject: Re: UPgrade to 5.6.0 and mod_perl_problems
Message-Id: <elwood.970566480@news.agouros.de>
In <8ra1pq$s3q$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Randy Kobes <randy@theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca> writes:
>In comp.lang.perl.misc, Konstantinos Agouros <elwood@news.agouros.de> wrote:
>> I just upgraded to 5.6.0 build a new mod_perl, did a make install (
>> of just the mod_perl not the httpd) and tried a few scripts I have
>> running. Must went fine, but one script fails (I get an errormessage
>> in the browser) and error_log of apache tells me:
>> /export/elwood/httpd/bin/httpd: can't resolve symbol 'newCONSTSUB'
>> Somebody has an idea what this might be?
>> Apache is 1.3.12 and mod_perl is 1.24.
>Generally when you build and install mod_perl you also should
>install the corresponding apache httpd, as discussed in the
>relevant INSTALL file you're following. Does the problem
>persist if you also install the apache httpd you built mod_perl with?
Did that is working now, thanks.
Konstantin
--
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