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Today's topics:
Re: Taryag Perl <care227@attglobal.net>
Re: Taryag Perl <sariq@texas.net>
Re: Taryag Perl (Tad McClellan)
Re: Taryag Perl <care227@attglobal.net>
Re: Taryag Perl <shimoff@umbc.edu>
Re: Taryag Perl <tony_curtis32@yahoo.com>
Re: Taryag Perl <micha@aishdas.org>
Re: Taryag Perl <micha@aishdas.org>
Re: Taryag Perl <sariq@texas.net>
Re: Taryag Perl <care227@attglobal.net>
Re: Taryag Perl <micha@aishdas.org>
Re: Taryag Perl (Craig Berry)
Re: The way to load a script on certain time by itself (Abigail)
Re: uses for PERL (Craig Berry)
Re: uses for PERL (Bart Lateur)
Re: Very strange DBI:mysql-problem! jsunden@my-deja.com
Re: Windows<->Macintosh character set translation <bpj@netg.se>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:26:54 -0400
From: Drew Simonis <care227@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <39491FEE.6751F74D@attglobal.net>
Tony Curtis wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
> >> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadikv@my-deja.com> said:
>
> > Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> > release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
> A coincidence with what?
>
Isn't it obvious?
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:33:13 -0500
From: Tom Briles <sariq@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <39492169.AA20016@texas.net>
Tony Curtis wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
> >> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadikv@my-deja.com> said:
>
> > Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> > release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
> A coincidence with what?
"Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
expressed in 613 commandments.
Or something like that...
- Tom
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:12:18 -0400
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <slrn8ki742.7c8.tadmc@magna.metronet.com>
On 15 Jun 2000 12:58:33 -0500, Tony Curtis <tony_curtis32@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
>>> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadikv@my-deja.com> said:
>
>> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
>> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
>A coincidence with what?
What is "Taryag"?
--
Tad McClellan SGML Consulting
tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:18:55 -0400
From: Drew Simonis <care227@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <39492C1F.22724FFC@attglobal.net>
Tad McClellan wrote:
>
> >
> >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
> >
> >A coincidence with what?
>
> What is "Taryag"?
>
It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
Mystical, I bet!
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:23:32 -0400
From: Eliot Shimoff <shimoff@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <39492D34.120BD14C@umbc.edu>
Drew Simonis wrote:
>
> Tony Curtis wrote:
> >
> > >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
> > >> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadikv@my-deja.com> said:
> >
> > > Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> > > release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
> >
> > A coincidence with what?
> >
>
> Isn't it obvious?
It's probably obvious to many (most?) soc.culture.jewish readers,
but note the cross-posting to comp.lang.perl.misc.
Taryag is the pronunciation of four Hebrew letters with a numerological
value of 613. According to Jewish tradition, there are a total of 613
biblical commandments.
--
Eliot Shimoff
UMBC Psychology
Baltimore, MD 21250
410 455-2973 (lab)
410 455-2567 (dept. office)
410 455-1055 (fax)
http://www.umbc.edu/~shimoff
shimoff@umbc.edu
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Date: 15 Jun 2000 14:24:27 -0500
From: Tony Curtis <tony_curtis32@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <87snueiw7o.fsf@limey.hpcc.uh.edu>
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:18:55 -0400,
>> Drew Simonis <care227@attglobal.net> said:
> Tad McClellan wrote:
>> > >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's
>> lastest >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>> > >A coincidence with what?
>>
>> What is "Taryag"?
>>
> It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
> Mystical, I bet!
Ah, obviously I hadn't done
cpan> install Qabbala
Exit code 613, won't install without force.
I wonder if there'll be a release 666? :-)
--
"Trying is the first step towards failure"
Homer Simpson
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Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:49:56 GMT
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <8ibc14$9j8$1@bob.news.rcn.net>
In soc.culture.jewish Tom Briles <sariq@texas.net> wrote:
: "Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
: expressed in 613 commandments.
Its source is a Talmudic quote. For some reason, in the middle ages it
became common for Rabbis to find rules by which they can categorize all
the laws of the Torah into 613 pigeon holes. Perhaps it was Aristotilian --
he was into categories and taxonomies.
The better known such lists are those of Maimonides' Book of Mitzvos, and the
Sefer haChinuch (The Book of Education).
-mi
--
Micha Berger (973) 916-0287 MMG"H for 12-Jun-00: Levi, Nasso
micha@aishdas.org A"H
http://www.aishdas.org Yuma 20b
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light.
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Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:54:55 GMT
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <8ibcaf$9j8$2@bob.news.rcn.net>
In soc.culture.jewish Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com> wrote:
:>> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
:>> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
: What is "Taryag"?
The gematria system for Hebrew goes up to 400 -- the value of the last letter,
taph. To get 600 you need to write taph-reish (400+200).
To write 613, you write taph-reish-yud-gimel. But that lacks vowels, as they
are indicated by special pointing, not be letters. Throwing in two patachs
(the sound of a in father or o in alot) for the vowels, you get "Taryag".
-mi
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:55:03 -0500
From: Tom Briles <sariq@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <39493497.E84B5BA@texas.net>
Micha Berger wrote:
>
> In soc.culture.jewish Tom Briles <sariq@texas.net> wrote:
> : "Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
> : expressed in 613 commandments.
>
> Its source is a Talmudic quote. For some reason, in the middle ages it
> became common for Rabbis to find rules by which they can categorize all
> the laws of the Torah into 613 pigeon holes. Perhaps it was Aristotilian --
> he was into categories and taxonomies.
>
> The better known such lists are those of Maimonides' Book of Mitzvos, and the
> Sefer haChinuch (The Book of Education).
Thanks for the clarification.
If I had not been a dolt, and had noticed the cross-post to
soc.culture.jewish, I would have waited for someone more knowledgeable
to reply.
- Tom
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:57:16 -0400
From: Drew Simonis <care227@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <3949351C.1708B967@attglobal.net>
Micha Berger wrote:
>
> In soc.culture.jewish Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com> wrote:
> :>> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> :>> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
> : What is "Taryag"?
>
> The gematria system for Hebrew goes up to 400 -- the value of the last letter,
> taph. To get 600 you need to write taph-reish (400+200).
>
> To write 613, you write taph-reish-yud-gimel. But that lacks vowels, as they
> are indicated by special pointing, not be letters. Throwing in two patachs
> (the sound of a in father or o in alot) for the vowels, you get "Taryag".
Sorry for not noticing the cross post here either. BUT, now that
I know what the word means (kinda, I guess) can you explain the
relation to the Perl programming language? Is 613 an evil number,
or just the upper bound of the comandments?
OP... what were you trying to convey???
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Date: 15 Jun 2000 20:07:13 GMT
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <8ibd1h$e11$1@bob.news.rcn.net>
In soc.culture.jewish Drew Simonis <care227@attglobal.net> wrote:
: Is 613 an evil number,
: or just the upper bound of the comandments?
613 is the number of biblical commandments, which really translates into
categories of laws. Finding a set of categorization rules to get you to
exactly 365 prohibitions and 248 obligations is a challege.
In addition, there are 7 Rabbinic additions to the list. (Aside from
uncountable Rabbinic embellishments to the original 613.)
It is therefore considered a GOOD number.
-mi
--
Micha Berger (973) 916-0287 MMG"H for 12-Jun-00: Levi, Nasso
micha@aishdas.org A"H
http://www.aishdas.org Yuma 20b
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:59:38 GMT
From: cberry@cinenet.net (Craig Berry)
Subject: Re: Taryag Perl
Message-Id: <skigtqauis4156@corp.supernews.com>
Drew Simonis (care227@attglobal.net) wrote:
: Tad McClellan wrote:
: > >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
: > >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
: > >
: > >A coincidence with what?
: >
: > What is "Taryag"?
:
: It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
: Mystical, I bet!
Well, using the standard Hebrew letter->number mapping, it adds up to 613
(tav-resh-yod-gimel, 400+200+10+3=613.)
--
| Craig Berry - http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html
--*-- "Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious
| languor, force and fire, are of us." - Liber AL II:20
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Date: 15 Jun 2000 16:47:14 EDT
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: The way to load a script on certain time by itself ?
Message-Id: <slrn8kih8s.jil.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Alex Moltimer (moltimer@yahoo.com) wrote on MMCDXLV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:8fe0f3$frj$1@news1.kornet.net>:
== How to make to load a script on certain time by itself ?
You cannot. If it isn't "loaded", how could it check what time it is,
and then load itself?
There are however various ways to execute a program at a certain time.
This differs between operating systems, but it doesn't matter whether
such a program is a Perl program or a non-Perl program.
Hence, you should be looking elsewhere for an answer. Perhaps you
should talk to your system administrator.
Abigail
--
sub A::TIESCALAR{bless\my$x=>'A'};package B;@q=qw/Hacker Perl
Another Just/;use overload'""',sub{pop @q};sub A::FETCH{bless
\my $y=>B};tie my$shoe=>'A';print"$shoe $shoe $shoe $shoe\n";
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:41:30 GMT
From: cberry@cinenet.net (Craig Berry)
Subject: Re: uses for PERL
Message-Id: <ski8qq3eis4113@corp.supernews.com>
Mark-Jason Dominus (mjd@plover.com) wrote:
: In article <skam18qhh5157@corp.supernews.com>,
: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net> wrote:
: >(*) Note that a true Turing-complete language demands infinite memory
: >storage, a sticking point which is normally ignored.
:
: No, it only demands unbounded memory storage. An ordinary tape drive
: will serve, as long as the program will pause and wait for you to find
: another blank tape when it needs one.
That's functionally equivalent to infinite memory storage.
--
| Craig Berry - http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html
--*-- "Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious
| languor, force and fire, are of us." - Liber AL II:20
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:17:41 GMT
From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: uses for PERL
Message-Id: <39492b52.394855@news.skynet.be>
Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>I'd consider Tim Bray's entire talk about XML processing to be about
>"the web", and he was one of the few "featured" speakers. What does
>*that* tell you?
I don't. I consider XML as a simple form of SGML.
Web applications are possible, but, to take just one not web-specific
application: take the PPD files ActiveState Perl uses to describe,
install, manage Perl modules.
To say XML is all web is the same as saying all Perl is CGI.
--
Bart.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:13:32 GMT
From: jsunden@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Very strange DBI:mysql-problem!
Message-Id: <8ibgtc$fmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
> Your posted code is large and complex. Perhaps you will find the
answer if
> you step through it in the debugger. If you still have troubles, you
> should cut your code down to a small, self-contained example showing
the
> line of code which is not doing what you think it should. That way,
others
> will be able to see what's going on without having to set up a
database
> full of cheese. :-)
>
> Good luck with it!
>
> --
> Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
> Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
If you read my mail it should be obvious that I think the problem is
not to be found in the code, at least not with the debugger. It is,
REALLY a strange problem I think. I posted a relatively small example
with no quirks at all (as it seems to me that is.. ;-) that behaves in
a peculiar way depending on where in the MySQL table the words "cheese"
and "goatcheese" are positioned! It SHOULD NOT be this way, now should
it? It is not difficult to work around this problem but it would be
satisfying to know if it is something wrong with, for example the
DBI:mysql module. Thank you for wishing me good luck though!
/joakim sundén
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:16:59 +0200
From: BP Jonsson <bpj@netg.se>
To: "comp.lang.perl.misc@list.deja.com" <comp.lang.perl.misc@list.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Windows<->Macintosh character set translation
Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000615151643.00e12730@mail.netg.se>
At 22:53 13.6.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>BP Jonsson wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for Windows<->Macintosh character set translation. I
> >suppose someone has done a package already, but I can't find it!
>
>I currently do this by converting Windows to UTF-8, and then UTF-8 to
>Mac. Or vice versa. The reason is that UTF-8 encoding is
>Unicode-compatible, and Unicode character mappings are available from
><ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/>. Well... you could use plain
>Unicode (2 bytes per character) too, I guess.
>
>Populating a substitution hash from the mapping files from the site
>mentioned, is pretty simple, and a simple s/(PATTERN)/$subst{$1}/g will
>do.
>
>--
> Bart.
Thanks,
/BP
B.Philip Jonsson mailto:melroch@mail.com
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