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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 12 Jun 2000 Volume: 9 Number: 3329
Today's topics:
Semicolons at the start of lines...? <if@what.time.is.it>
Re: Semicolons at the start of lines...? <founder@pege.org>
Re: Semicolons at the start of lines...? (brian d foy)
Re: Semicolons at the start of lines...? (brian d foy)
Re: Shebang line -- What exactly does Perl do? (hymie!)
Re: Simple Question ~ How to perform a directory recurs <jraff@home.com>
Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Re: uses for PERL amitr@w-o-i.com
Re: uses for PERL <red_orc@my-deja.com>
who has script like startpagina.nl ?? toffegast@my-deja.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:38:39 GMT
From: "Ireneo Funes" <if@what.time.is.it>
Subject: Semicolons at the start of lines...?
Message-Id: <960817289.784126@intranot.flextech.co.uk>
I've just seen some code at work that has lines beginning with semicolons.
Can anyone explain what that's all about?
Thanks and respect,
IF.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:49:37 +0200
From: "Mösl Roland" <founder@pege.org>
Subject: Re: Semicolons at the start of lines...?
Message-Id: <3944efe2$0$81880@SSP1NO17.highway.telekom.at>
"Ireneo Funes" <if@what.time.is.it> wrote in message
news:960817289.784126@intranot.flextech.co.uk...
> I've just seen some code at work that has lines beginning with semicolons.
>
> Can anyone explain what that's all about?
When every line starts with a semicolon,
no trouble with forgotten semicolon at the
end of a statement
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:37:45 -0500
From: brian@smithrenaud.com (brian d foy)
Subject: Re: Semicolons at the start of lines...?
Message-Id: <brian-1206001037460001@39.sanjose-08-09rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net>
In article <3944efe2$0$81880@SSP1NO17.highway.telekom.at>, "Mösl Roland" <founder@pege.org> wrote:
>"Ireneo Funes" <if@what.time.is.it> wrote in message
>news:960817289.784126@intranot.flextech.co.uk...
>> I've just seen some code at work that has lines beginning with semicolons.
>>
>> Can anyone explain what that's all about?
>
>When every line starts with a semicolon,
>no trouble with forgotten semicolon at the
>end of a statement
but then, every line must be a statement boundary. no one said everything
with every line beginning with a semicolon.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:38:05 -0500
From: brian@smithrenaud.com (brian d foy)
Subject: Re: Semicolons at the start of lines...?
Message-Id: <brian-1206001038050001@39.sanjose-08-09rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net>
In article <960817289.784126@intranot.flextech.co.uk>, "Ireneo Funes" <if@what.time.is.it> wrote:
>I've just seen some code at work that has lines beginning with semicolons.
>
>Can anyone explain what that's all about?
not unless you show us what you were looking at...
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Date: 12 Jun 2000 14:55:21 GMT
From: hymie@lactose.smart.net (hymie!)
Subject: Re: Shebang line -- What exactly does Perl do?
Message-Id: <8i2tkp$odr$1@news.smart.net>
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
dmcg6174@yahoo.com (daniel mcgrath), who said:
>So, what exactly happens with the shebang line?
To perl (actually, as a general case, to the interpreter that runs your
program), it will be interpreted as comment and ignored. That assumes,
of course, that your scripting language recognizes # as a comment character.
However, your interactive shell will parse the she-bang line and use
it to determine which program to use to invoke the script. The
interactive shell will also pull out command line options that should be
applied **to the interpreter**. Note that there is a difference between
/usr/bin/perl -w myscript.pl
and
./myscript.pl -w
The second passes the -w flag to *your program* , while the first passes
the -w flag to perl .
hymie! http://www.smart.net/~hymowitz hymie@lactose.smart.net
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:34:21 GMT
From: "jraff" <jraff@home.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Question ~ How to perform a directory recursive search ?
Message-Id: <xF515.127763$R4.765740@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>
opendir(), readdir(), telldir(), seekdir(), rewinddir(), and closedir()
http://www.cpan.org/doc/manual/html/pod/perlfunc/opendir.html
These come as part of the standard ActiveState Perl base package.
They allow one to find any file anywhere.
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"Kenny Lim" <kennylim@techie.com> wrote in message
news:yBZ05.11109$907.272697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am just a beginner and are wondering :
>
> (a) Is there a method to perform a directory recursive search (including
> subdirectories) "without having to use the File::Find standard module" ?
> (Snippets of my code is enclosed below)
>
> (b) Is there a method to only change the name of the file only when a
> criteria is met.
>
> Eg.
>
> Search for a matching strings called "old" and replace it with "new" in a
> file with
> *cpp *dsp *rc extension.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks All and you have a pleasant
> evening !
>
> Kenny-
>
>
> #Snippets of my code
>
> my $filename;
>
> #==================================#
> # Get list of specified Filename in the directory #
> #==================================#
>
> while (<*.dsp *.def *.rc *.h *.cpp>) # *.pl is used for test purposed
>
> #This method enable me to search for all the file with the following
> extension,
> #but I am not able to perform a search for the file within a
subdirectories.
>
> #If using the FIle:Standard module would be a better approach, do you know
> #how can I search the extension enclosed as above including the
> subdirectories then.
>
> #Either way is fine with me..
>
>
> {
>
> #print "$_\n";
> $filename = $_;
> OPEN_FILE ();
> print "$filename\n";
>
> }
>
> sub OPEN_FILE
> {
>
> $new_filename = $filename . ".new_ext";
>
> open(OLD_FILE, "< $filename") or die "Can't open `$filename': $!";
> open(NEW_FILE, "> $new_filename") or die "Can't open
> `$new_filename':$!";
> #select (NEW_FILE);
>
> while (<OLD_FILE>)
> {
> chomp;
> if (s/$search/$replace/i)
> {
> print "Found One !:\nBefore:$search After:$_\n";
> }
>
> print NEW_FILE "$_\n" or die "Can't write `$new_filename': $!";
>
> }
> close (OLD_FILE) or die "Can't close `$filename': $!";
> close (NEW_FILE) or die "Can't open `$new_filename': $!";
> rename ($filename, "$filename.orig") or die "Can't rename`$filename':
> $!";
> rename ($new_filename, $filename) or die "Can't rename `new_$filename':
> $!";
>
>
> # The problem is when I overwrite the old files with the new one, it also
> includes
> #all the files that matches the extensionc name criteria but "not" the
> matching strings
> #contents. (This is kinda inefficient,..I am thinking just removing all
the
> files at the end
> of the transaction)
>
>
> };
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kenny-
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:11:01 GMT
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <sk9ob5jch51166@corp.supernews.com>
Following is a summary of articles spanning a 7 day period,
beginning at 05 Jun 2000 14:32:15 GMT and ending at
12 Jun 2000 13:32:52 GMT.
Notes
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does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" email address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 2000 Greg Bacon.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Excluded Posters
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perlfaq-suggestions\@(?:.*\.)?perl\.com
Totals
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Posters: 547
Articles: 1854 (663 with cutlined signatures)
Threads: 471
Volume generated: 3267.7 kb
- headers: 1476.2 kb (29,546 lines)
- bodies: 1714.1 kb (55,932 lines)
- original: 1072.1 kb (38,047 lines)
- signatures: 75.5 kb (1,913 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.625
Averages
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Posts per poster: 3.4
median: 1 post
mode: 1 post - 314 posters
s: 7.4 posts
Posts per thread: 3.9
median: 3 posts
mode: 2 posts - 117 threads
s: 5.2 posts
Message size: 1804.8 bytes
- header: 815.3 bytes (15.9 lines)
- body: 946.7 bytes (30.2 lines)
- original: 592.1 bytes (20.5 lines)
- signature: 41.7 bytes (1.0 lines)
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79 132.9 ( 64.2/ 65.3/ 32.2) Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
60 88.7 ( 50.2/ 38.0/ 25.0) Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
58 101.3 ( 38.6/ 56.1/ 30.3) Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com>
45 71.4 ( 35.1/ 36.2/ 14.5) abigail@arena-i.com
34 63.0 ( 30.3/ 32.2/ 16.1) Abe Timmerman <abe@ztreet.demon.nl>
33 44.8 ( 26.5/ 18.3/ 11.8) Drew Simonis <care227@attglobal.net>
33 100.6 ( 30.1/ 70.4/ 54.0) "Godzilla!" <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo>
31 51.9 ( 25.1/ 25.6/ 13.1) jason <elephant@squirrelgroup.com>
31 44.7 ( 24.9/ 19.8/ 9.4) "Lauren Smith" <lauren_smith13@hotmail.com>
27 44.8 ( 21.0/ 20.1/ 11.2) Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com>
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(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
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132.9 ( 64.2/ 65.3/ 32.2) 79 Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
101.3 ( 38.6/ 56.1/ 30.3) 58 Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com>
100.6 ( 30.1/ 70.4/ 54.0) 33 "Godzilla!" <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo>
88.7 ( 50.2/ 38.0/ 25.0) 60 Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
88.3 ( 24.6/ 63.7/ 29.8) 27 Dan Sugalski <dan@tuatha.sidhe.org>
71.4 ( 35.1/ 36.2/ 14.5) 45 abigail@arena-i.com
63.0 ( 30.3/ 32.2/ 16.1) 34 Abe Timmerman <abe@ztreet.demon.nl>
58.0 ( 2.9/ 55.0/ 44.2) 5 "Josiah Bryan" <jdb@wcoil.com>
51.9 ( 25.1/ 25.6/ 13.1) 31 jason <elephant@squirrelgroup.com>
47.7 ( 23.1/ 23.9/ 17.6) 23 "Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@mail.cern.ch>
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----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 3.1 / 3.1) 5 JenX <jeniNOjeSPAM@hotbot.com.invalid>
0.990 ( 22.3 / 22.5) 17 The WebDragon <nospam@nospam.com>
0.901 ( 13.1 / 14.5) 11 "Michael Schlueter" <michael.schlueter@philips.com>
0.887 ( 17.9 / 20.2) 8 Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
0.804 ( 44.2 / 55.0) 5 "Josiah Bryan" <jdb@wcoil.com>
0.782 ( 3.3 / 4.2) 5 Csaba Raduly <csaba_r@my-deja.com>
0.766 ( 54.0 / 70.4) 33 "Godzilla!" <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo>
0.737 ( 9.6 / 13.0) 11 Gwyn Judd <tjla@guvfybir.qlaqaf.bet>
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0.733 ( 3.5 / 4.7) 5 andrew-johnson@home.com
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(kb) (kb)
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0.390 ( 1.4 / 3.7) 5 David Wall <darkon@one.net>
0.354 ( 1.3 / 3.7) 5 Tom Bates <tfbiv@SPAMMENOTerols.com>
0.353 ( 1.3 / 3.6) 7 M.J.T. Guy <mjtg@cus.cam.ac.uk>
0.351 ( 3.9 / 11.2) 7 Christopher Hahn <chahn@eleganceintime.com>
0.348 ( 5.2 / 14.8) 15 "Tintin" <you.will.always.find.him.in.the.kitchen@parties>
0.332 ( 3.2 / 9.6) 7 "Trevor Sky Garside" <trevor@trevorsky.com>
0.332 ( 3.6 / 10.8) 18 Tom Briles <sariq@texas.net>
0.251 ( 0.7 / 2.9) 7 bmetcalf@baynetworks.com
0.238 ( 2.6 / 10.8) 9 "multiplexor" <abuse@localhost>
0.237 ( 3.7 / 15.4) 10 methos495@earthlink.net
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Posts Subject
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55 Larry Rosler interview on perl.com!
53 Perl and memory consumption
37 ANSI Perl: No Way !!!
31 Encrypting / decrypting.
31 No offense but Larry Wall should do the maths !!
20 PLEASE HELP: Perl for WWW
19 good perl coding style
18 how to check for integer?
16 Text Sorting Question
15 Spaces
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(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Subject
-------------------------- ----- -------
124.6 ( 50.0/ 71.6/ 44.4) 55 Larry Rosler interview on perl.com!
116.4 ( 48.2/ 66.1/ 40.4) 53 Perl and memory consumption
114.6 ( 36.6/ 76.9/ 52.3) 37 ANSI Perl: No Way !!!
68.7 ( 29.4/ 38.3/ 18.2) 31 Encrypting / decrypting.
42.9 ( 16.5/ 25.5/ 19.5) 20 PLEASE HELP: Perl for WWW
41.4 ( 25.3/ 15.0/ 8.9) 31 No offense but Larry Wall should do the maths !!
40.2 ( 2.4/ 37.7/ 22.9) 3 Remote Scripting Critique
34.1 ( 16.6/ 16.7/ 9.8) 19 good perl coding style
31.2 ( 5.2/ 26.0/ 11.5) 6 Multiple Threads Running Perl via Shared Lib - Possible? Safe?
28.5 ( 2.4/ 26.1/ 21.1) 3 Shopping Cart Code Critique
These threads accounted for 19.7% of the total volume.
Top 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.919 ( 5.2/ 5.7) 5 URI encoded parameter for CGI.pm problem.
0.905 ( 3.8/ 4.2) 5 site_perl vs lib
0.869 ( 8.3/ 9.6) 6 form to mail script..
0.827 ( 1.5/ 1.8) 5 PERL DBI module to connect to MS-Access databases?
0.824 ( 4.3/ 5.2) 6 << Problems with Net::SMTP >>
0.811 ( 9.1/ 11.2) 7 Finding repeated words -- e.g. the the
0.810 ( 5.8/ 7.1) 5 Using perl's modules DBD:Mysql and DBI and mysql
0.801 ( 1.9/ 2.4) 5 Perl 5.6 Installation
0.765 ( 19.5/ 25.5) 20 PLEASE HELP: Perl for WWW
0.743 ( 11.9/ 16.0) 7 Perl gurus: help a C++ programmer optimize his ways
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(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.422 ( 4.0 / 9.4) 9 Perl Shortcut?
0.415 ( 2.8 / 6.8) 11 use DBI
0.411 ( 2.6 / 6.3) 7 Stupid Question: scripts won't recognize opening line
0.397 ( 1.9 / 4.9) 6 counter script in Perl
0.378 ( 2.1 / 5.6) 6 Does Perl have a simple way to simulate C's "#INCLUDE"?
0.378 ( 1.0 / 2.7) 8 Best Way to Test if File Exists
0.378 ( 3.9 / 10.3) 8 Variables inside strings?
0.372 ( 4.4 / 11.7) 9 now this is strange...
0.366 ( 2.8 / 7.7) 6 using 'exists' in a program to test for keys in a hash
0.301 ( 1.2 / 3.8) 5 DSN-less connection - How To?
118 threads (25%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Targets for Crossposts
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Articles Newsgroup
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55 comp.lang.perl.modules
19 comp.lang.perl
7 alt.perl
7 comp.os.linux.networking
5 comp.unix.shell
4 comp.os.linux.help
3 comp.lang.java.javascript
3 it.comp.lang.javascript
3 comp.lang.javascript
3 mailing.database.mysql
Top 10 Crossposters
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Articles Address
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11 Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
7 "Josiah Bryan" <jdb@wcoil.com>
6 Marcos Lloret <marcos@second.ival.es>
6 Andreas Kahari <andkaha@hello.to.REMOVE>
6 "Roland Corbet" <Roland@psychenet.co.uk>
5 felix.staehlin@kuoni.ch
5 Tait Milliken <jtmilliken@rvjintl.com>
4 Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be>
4 abigail@arena-i.com
4 Ala Qumsieh <aqumsieh@hyperchip.com>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:12:21 GMT
From: amitr@w-o-i.com
Subject: Re: uses for PERL
Message-Id: <8i2njd$2lc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
I agree with u Michael but would like to add few points as well.
As u said PERL is very rich when it comes to regex and that makes it
popular on the web( for validations etc.)
Secondly, It is very stable. Very rarely u find application written in
perl crashes. At the same time I would like to say, it hogs memory as
well, specially lots and lots of modules are used. In that case
Mod_perl comes handy which preloads the modules in the memory once.
regards
Amit
In article <8i0jt6$ob7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
michaeljgardner@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <394272BA.73335058@ameritech.net>,
> david <djhill@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > I know PERL is widely used on websites, but it seems PHP is becoming
> > increasingly popular everyday. What other uses are there for PERL
> > besides creating websites?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> David,
> I'm no expert by any means, but it seems Perl is pretty good at
parsing
> text files, and doing it rather rapidly. I'm working on processing
EDI
> schedule information my company receives from its customers. The
> regular expressions can be used to find patterns of text within a
line,
> or within a file.
>
> Michael
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:24:58 GMT
From: Rodney Engdahl <red_orc@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: uses for PERL
Message-Id: <8i2rrc$5i4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <394272BA.73335058@ameritech.net>,
david <djhill@ameritech.net> wrote:
> I know PERL is widely used on websites, but it seems PHP is becoming
> increasingly popular everyday. What other uses are there for PERL
> besides creating websites?
>
> David
>
>
The claim is made that Perl is 'Turing complete'. As such, Perl can be
used for any purpose that any other 'Turing complete' language can be
used.
You might as well ask the same question of any other language (C, Java,
. . .) that is used in the development of web sites.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:46:52 GMT
From: toffegast@my-deja.com
Subject: who has script like startpagina.nl ??
Message-Id: <8i2pk9$3uu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Hi,
I was wondering if someone of you has (can) program(med) scripts that
run startpagina.nl ?
It is a kind of link-indexing script.
Basically what it should be capable of is this :
- Managament of moderators.
- Each moderator has his own page to administer.
- Each page is pointed as a subdomain of the main domain (I can do this
manually)
- Each page is generated according to the same lay-out (a fixed
template that I can adjust).
- Moderators should be able to update their page online, by adding
categories and links.
- Moderators can specify the location of each category and link on
their page.
- All pages should be built by the script as static pages. So there
should be a database under the hood, but it is not used for searches,
only for generation of the pages.
- Pages should be in .shtml to allow for banners.
- It should be possible for the visitors to move categories down on a
page (via a cookie and javascript) if he is not interested in these
links.
Please contact me asap.
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