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Today's topics:
Re: Nested while loop -- empty output daveleroy@my-deja.com
Re: Nested while loop -- empty output newsposter@cthulhu.demon.nl
Re: Nested while loop -- empty output <rootbeer@redcat.com>
Re: Newbie CGI/Perl <pinin@xchain.com>
Re: Odd fork() problem <damon@damon.cc>
Re: Odd fork() problem <sgifford@tir.com>
Re: Odd fork() problem <sgifford@tir.com>
Re: Odd fork() problem nobull@mail.com
Re: Odd fork() problem <sgifford@tir.com>
Re: PERL exe? <pinin@xchain.com>
Re: Perl vs ActivePerl <saddek@arch.chalmers.se>
Re: Reading and Writing to a file (Jerome O'Neil)
Re: Reading file in nested WHILE -- blank output <sweeheng@usa.net>
Re: Reading file in nested WHILE -- blank output <sue@pennine.com>
Re: Reading file in nested WHILE -- blank output <rootbeer@redcat.com>
Re: redirect to self url as response to post request <rootbeer@redcat.com>
Re: Regular expression ? <uri@sysarch.com>
shared memory under linux bsintes@my-deja.com
Re: shared memory under linux <billy@arnis-bsl.com>
Re: Sorting hash of hash by first then second key nobull@mail.com
Re: Starting another prog <lr@hpl.hp.com>
Re: test <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: zen and the art of trolling [OT] (Jerome O'Neil)
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:22:53 GMT
From: daveleroy@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Nested while loop -- empty output
Message-Id: <8frp3o$am7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Here is basically what the code looks like:
open INPUT1, "<input1.txt" or die "Can't open input 1\n";
open INPUT2, "<input2.txt" or die "Can't open input 2\n";
open OUTPUT1, ">output1.txt" or die "Can't open output 1\n";
open OUTPUT2, ">output2.txt" or die "Can't open output 1\n";
while (<INPUT1>) {
.
.
if ($this = $that) {
print OUTPUT1 "$lineout\n";
print "$lineout\n";
}
else
{
while (<INPUT2>) {
.
.
print OUTPUT2 "$lineout\n";
print "$lineout\n";
}
}
}
The statement that prints to the screen prints correctly. The
statement that prints to the file doesn't print at all (all outputs are
empty). If I comment out the second WHILE statement and corresponding
brackets, it prints data to the files. Can perl not read from two
files via nested WHILE loops?
In article <39215981.A6EABDEB@texas.net>,
Tom Briles <sariq@texas.net> wrote:
> daveleroy@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > I am new to perl and I am trying to figure out why
> > my output is completely blank. I have a while
> > statement (while <filehandle>) that reads in a
> > line. I want to search a second file for info in
> > the original file, so I use another while
> > statement (while<filehandle2>). The output is as
> > expected on the screen, but the exact same print
> > statement printed to an output file comes up
> > empty! When I comment out the second while
> > (nested while), the output is printed to the file
> > just fine. Why does it do this?
>
> Show us an example (i.e., post working code). It should be as short
as
> possible, while still demonstrating the behavior.
>
> You *are* ensuring that your open statements are successful, aren't
you?
>
> - Tom
>
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Date: 16 May 2000 17:48:44 GMT
From: newsposter@cthulhu.demon.nl
Subject: Re: Nested while loop -- empty output
Message-Id: <8fs1ls$pi4$1@internal-news.uu.net>
daveleroy@my-deja.com wrote:
> if ($this = $that) {
You sure you want assignment here?
Erik
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:01:16 -0700
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@redcat.com>
Subject: Re: Nested while loop -- empty output
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005161057370.25459-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 daveleroy@my-deja.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: Nested while loop -- empty output
How did we get two threads about this? Did you post twice? Tsk tsk! :-)
> Here is basically what the code looks like:
Uh oh. :-)
> open INPUT1, "<input1.txt" or die "Can't open input 1\n";
> open INPUT2, "<input2.txt" or die "Can't open input 2\n";
Thanks for checking your opens!
> while (<INPUT1>) {
> while (<INPUT2>) {
Unless you seek (or re-open), that's not likely to be right. The inner
loop is trying to read to end of file on INPUT2. When you get back to that
while the next time, you've already reached end of file!
> Can perl not read from two files via nested WHILE loops?
Sure, perl can do it. But it's doing what you've asked, rather than what
you want.
I think you want to read (at least) one of your files into an array in
memory. But maybe that's not it. In any case, good luck with it!
--
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:50:59 +0300
From: pinin <pinin@xchain.com>
Subject: Re: Newbie CGI/Perl
Message-Id: <39217C73.B92BE699@xchain.com>
DEDSRD wrote:
> I've followed the install of Mac Perl.
> I'm trying to build a comboform cgi script (i think)
> Never used Perl or MPW
> Q: Where do I start?
> Q: Can I run a form on my own machine(Mac) before uploading to simulate how the
> form will work in the browser?
> Q: Is the .cgi and .pl extensions interchangeable does it matter which?
>
> Darrell
Hi Darrel,
If you want to run your CGI scripts on your PC you need to install some web server
on your Mac, you can get some free web servers from internet ( apache, sambar, ...
), read helps and go on.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:47:10 -0700
From: Damon Miller <damon@damon.cc>
Subject: Re: Odd fork() problem
Message-Id: <39216D7E.30CF9F43@damon.cc>
Perhaps I misunderstand the problem, but I would use the unix split command to
break up your big file.
Damon
Scott Gifford wrote:
>
> I'm having a problem, however, which I've been completely unable to
> track down. When I'm processing this file, the same part of the file
> appears to sometimes get read more than once by the <STDIN> operator.
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Date: 16 May 2000 12:23:15 -0400
From: Scott Gifford <sgifford@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Odd fork() problem
Message-Id: <m3d7mmh3bg.fsf@sgifford.tir.com>
bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur) writes:
> Scott Gifford wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to speed up a process by reading in chunks of input,
> >forking off a process to process each chunk and write the result into
> >a temp file, then joining all of these files together at the end.
>
> >The slow part is processing the file chunks, so this speeds things up
> >noticably.
>
> If you'e saying that the CPU is the bottleneck: I'd think not. Not
> unless you divide your program over several computers.
There are 4 reasons I think this will speed things up.
1. It's a dual-CPU machine, so just having two processes going at once
means I can potentially run twice as quickly.
2. I use blocking I/O. Forking off a process to do the processing
while the parent process continues to do thousands of read()s lets
me at least accomplish something during the time I'm blocked, and
having the child process do the hundreds of write()s lets the
parent process continue its work without blocking.
3. On a multiuser maching (which this is), I get additional timeslices
if I have additional processes. Not necessarily polite, but true.
4. Empirically, when I run with 2 child processes, I see about a 20%
speedup in the wall-clock time this program takes to run.
-----Scott.
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Date: 16 May 2000 12:33:43 -0400
From: Scott Gifford <sgifford@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Odd fork() problem
Message-Id: <m3aehqh2u0.fsf@sgifford.tir.com>
I simplified the problem here to as small as I could while still
reproducing the problem, which is why it does the same thing as
split(1).
In my real program, I'm sorting the chunks in a particular way (that,
unfortunately, doesn't lend itself to the sort(1) command) after doing
the fork(), before writing them to the temporary file. Additionally,
it's important that these files be split only in particular places
(records are blank-line seperated, and can't be split between files),
which the split command doesn't support.
------ScottG.
Damon Miller <damon@damon.cc> writes:
> Perhaps I misunderstand the problem, but I would use the unix split
> command to break up your big file.
>
> Scott Gifford wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm having a problem, however, which I've been completely unable to
> > track down. When I'm processing this file, the same part of the file
> > appears to sometimes get read more than once by the <STDIN> operator.
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Date: 16 May 2000 17:55:42 +0100
From: nobull@mail.com
Subject: Re: Odd fork() problem
Message-Id: <u9em72fn8x.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>
This branch of this thread now has nothing to do with Perl.
bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur) writes:
> Scott Gifford wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to speed up a process by reading in chunks of input,
> >forking off a process to process each chunk and write the result into
> >a temp file, then joining all of these files together at the end.
>
> >The slow part is processing the file chunks, so this speeds things up
> >noticably.
>
> If you'e saying that the CPU is the bottleneck: I'd think not. Not
> unless you divide your program over several computers.
s/computers/CPUs/
It is a resonable expectation that the OS will share out the fork()ed
processes amongst the available CPUs without you having to think
about it.
There's sometimes a gain from fork()ing into more processes than you
have CPUs since each process is usually alternately CPU/IO bound. One
process can be number-crunching while the other is awaiting IO.
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Date: 16 May 2000 14:02:06 -0400
From: Scott Gifford <sgifford@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Odd fork() problem
Message-Id: <m3puqmfk69.fsf@sgifford.tir.com>
nobull@mail.com writes:
> This branch of this thread now has nothing to do with Perl.
True. Anybody have any ideas on my original question? :-)
-----ScottG.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:52:40 +0300
From: pinin <pinin@xchain.com>
Subject: Re: PERL exe?
Message-Id: <39217CD8.F416BC0C@xchain.com>
Bill wrote:
> I am curious if anyone can point me ot some information about compiling PERL
> scripts to excutables. Thanks.
try perlcc in new versions.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:51:27 +0200
From: Saddek Rehal <saddek@arch.chalmers.se>
Subject: Re: Perl vs ActivePerl
Message-Id: <39216E7F.F7689C2A@arch.chalmers.se>
Tom Phoenix wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2000, Saddek Rehal wrote:
>
> > I discovered now that if I put my program hdate.exe at the root directory
> > and change the line $hdateprg = "/apache/ActivePerl/bin/hdate.exe"; to
> > $hdateprg = "/hdate.exe"; than my script works correctly, Why???
>
> Perhaps because you're using the correct path to that program rather than
> the incorrect one? Cheers!
>
I don't think så. I have hdate.exe in both directories and the path are used
correctly.
regards
Saddek Rehal
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:08:51 GMT
From: jerome@activeindexing.com (Jerome O'Neil)
Subject: Re: Reading and Writing to a file
Message-Id: <noeU4.213$Wh6.12553@news.uswest.net>
In article <B5461276.9654%xah@xahlee.org>,
Xah <xah@xahlee.org> writes:
> Godzilla's problem, is largely the same problem i face when dealing with
> Perl peddlers.
Exactly. The "perl peddlers" tend to know what they are talking about,
while you are an idiot.
It is the *exact* same problem.
Very astute.
> Ideas fly over their heads, but they bog you down with petty
> details and artless slobber.
Programming isn't art. It's engineering. That is the mistake you
consistently make. There is an art to it, but you have your
disciplines backwards.
> The Perl mongers and unix weenies, think that
> their stupid naming of programs and pathetic syntax makes them giant poets.
> I see pubescent laddies playing with their peckers for the first time.
I have a hunch we have discovered yet another voice in the Trolls head...
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:35:34 +0800
From: "Swee Heng" <sweeheng@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Reading file in nested WHILE -- blank output
Message-Id: <8frp6q$h5c$1@coco.singnet.com.sg>
<daveleroy@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8frji0$45f$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I am new to Perl and have a frustrating problem.
> I am trying to read in a file using WHILE (<INPUT1>) and after
> I get the first line from the file, I try to compare it to all of the
> lines in a second file using WHILE (<INPUT2>) which is nested inside the
> first WHILE. I have print statements in both of the WHILE loops which
> print to filehandles OUTPUT1, OUTPUT2, etc. (for example). I also have
...snipped...
I think it will be easier for everyone trying to help if you send the actual
Perl code in addition to your description.
Having said that, I think your problem may lie in nested usage of $_. How
about something like:
while ($in1 = <INPUT1>) {
# whatever you want to do with $in1
while ($in2 = <INPUT2>) {
# whatever you want to do with $in1 and $in2
}
}
If that advice doesn't help, PLEASE send actual Perl code.
Swee Heng
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Date: 16 May 2000 08:31:04 -0700
From: Sue Spence <sue@pennine.com>
Subject: Re: Reading file in nested WHILE -- blank output
Message-Id: <8frpjo$pkj@drn.newsguy.com>
In article <8frji0$45f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, daveleroy@my-deja.com says...
>
>I am new to Perl and have a frustrating problem.
>I am trying to read in a file using WHILE (<INPUT1>) and after
>I get the first line from the file, I try to compare it to all of the
>lines in a second file using WHILE (<INPUT2>) which is nested inside the
>first WHILE. I have print statements in both of the WHILE loops which
>print to filehandles OUTPUT1, OUTPUT2, etc. (for example). I also have
>shadow print statements which print to the screen (exactly the same as
>the other print statements, just without the filehandle). Here is the
>puzzling part: the statements output to the screen look EXACTLY the
>way I want them to... but all of the output files are empty. Why is
>this? What can I do to fix it?
>
>I am pretty sure it is the WHILE statement because when I comment the
>WHILE (<INPUT2>) line and the corresponding {}, it prints to the output
>just fine with no other changes... but without the second while it
>doesn't give the results desired. Please help! (and thanks in advance)
>
Do you know for a fact that your open statements on your output files have
succeeded (i.e. you test the files first, or check the return on the open ) ?
I would think that this is most likely where the problem lies, and not with your
while statements (esp since you say that your debug print statements show what
you expect to see). If my answer doesn't help you, please post your code here
and tell us what platform you're working on. Trying to help people debug their
problems without seeing their code is difficult at best, and at worst a massive
waste of time.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:57:01 -0700
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@redcat.com>
Subject: Re: Reading file in nested WHILE -- blank output
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005161056010.25459-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Swee Heng wrote:
> while ($in1 = <INPUT1>) {
> # whatever you want to do with $in1
> while ($in2 = <INPUT2>) {
> # whatever you want to do with $in1 and $in2
> }
> }
Unless you're using seek (or open) somewhere while this code is running,
it won't work properly. And even if you are, it's probably not right. :-)
--
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:54:05 -0700
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@redcat.com>
Subject: Re: redirect to self url as response to post request
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005161049220.25459-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 richard_chen@my-deja.com wrote:
> Subject: redirect to self url as response to post request
Did you post this twice? Don't. :-)
> The problem is that after the redirection, the browser does
> not show updated page but a blank one.
If you're following the proper protocol but some browser or server doesn't
cooperate, then it's the other program's fault. If you're not following
the protocol, then it's your fault. If you aren't sure about the protocol,
you should read the protocol specification. If you've read it and you're
still not sure, you should ask in a newsgroup about the protocol.
> I am using Apache 1.3.6 and both IE and Netscape browsers.
> Anyone know what caused this problem? Is it due to CGI?,
Of course, CGI isn't Perl.
> or http?,
That's not Perl either.
> or Apache?
Nor that.
> or browser?
A browser written in Perl? Oh, sorry. :-)
I'm not trying to be mean or unhelpful here - I just think that you'd be
better off searching for the docs, FAQs, and newsgroups about CGI, HTTP,
Apache, or browsers. In particular, the proper response to a redirect
request should be specified in the HTTP spec.
Good luck with your project!
--
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Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:48:58 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
Subject: Re: Regular expression ?
Message-Id: <x71z32s7w6.fsf@home.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "G" == Godzilla! <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo> writes:
>> ...And one should use "my" instead of "local".
G> Seven very good reasons to use local over my, and
G> some interesting notes on slurping being more
G> efficient than use of while.
G> http://www.plover.com/~mjd/perl/local.html
can you ever get the order of logic correct? that article is about
EXCEPTIONS to the rule about using my over local. EXCEPTIONS are not
reasons not to use my. if mjd ever found you claiming he says to always
use local he would ban you from quoting his article. now go learn python
and ruin their group with your blatherings.
and one day try to actually follow up a non-newbie. i would like to see
that. but you won't, you only can sukker newbies since you realize that
you don't know any more than they do. i propose we make a new group of
comp.lang.perl.newbies and make it moderated by you. anything to get you
out of here.
uri
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:19:55 GMT
From: bsintes@my-deja.com
Subject: shared memory under linux
Message-Id: <8frou7$aio$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
I am running perl5 under linux and I'd like to
know the proper way to get the shared memory
working...
Here's my code :
use IPC::SysV;
$id=shmget(IPC_PRIVATE,500,IPC_CREAT);
print "id $id\n";
print STDERR shmctl($id,IPC_STAT,$vr);
print STDERR "after shmctl\n";
print STDERR shmwrite($id,"aa",0,2);
print STDERR "after shmwrite\n";
print STDERR shmread($id,$am2,1,1);
print STDERR "after shmread\n";
print "what ".$am2." shame!\n";
and here'my result...
id 3349
0 but trueafter shmctl
0after shmwrite
0after shmread
what shame!
So, it doesn't work ! Where's the error and how
can I correct it ?
Thanks !
B.SINTES
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:00:45 GMT
From: Ilja <billy@arnis-bsl.com>
Subject: Re: shared memory under linux
Message-Id: <8frrb2$dfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <8frou7$aio$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
bsintes@my-deja.com wrote:
> I am running perl5 under linux and I'd like to
> know the proper way to get the shared memory
> working...
>
> Here's my code :
>
> use IPC::SysV;
You *must* start your code with 'use strict;'. If you would, then you'd got
errors about all these IPC_* symbols later in your text. That's because
IPC::SysV imports nothing by default. You have to do it manually like:
use IPC::SysV qw(IPC_PRIVATE IPC_RMID S_IRWXU S_IRWXG S_IRWXO IPC_CREAT);
And more, I guess you don't use '-w' switch !
If you would, you'd got at leat warnings about these IPC_* symbols.
With use strict; and -w you'd save so much time and efforts ...
Please re-consider your code.
As a good starting point read 'perldoc perlipc', which contains code examples
for shared memory. (or see
http://www.cpan.org/doc/manual/html/pod/perlipc.html)
And more, maybe you shouldn't reinvent the wheel.
Try one of the following modules from CPAN:
IPC::ShareLite
IPC::Shareable
Good luck.
Ilja.
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Date: 16 May 2000 17:56:25 +0100
From: nobull@mail.com
Subject: Re: Sorting hash of hash by first then second key
Message-Id: <u9d7mmfn7q.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>
Brian Orpin <abuse@borpin.co.uk> writes:
> I have a hash
>
> $hash{key1}{key2} = val
>
> I want to sort it on the first key and then on the second key. So that on
> key value of;
>
> 3 - 2
> 3 - 1
> 1 - 2
> 4 - 2
>
> would sort to
> 1 - 2
> 3 - 1
> 3 - 2
> 4 - 2
Just do it:
for my $key1 (sort keys %hash) {
for my $key2 (sort keys %{$hash{$key1}}) {
print "$key1 - $key2\n";
}
}
This is a string sort on keys, if you want a numeric sort then just do
that.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:39:58 -0700
From: Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Starting another prog
Message-Id: <MPG.138b27c61d835f2798aa87@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <8fr0r4$fva$1@nnrp1.deja.com> on Tue, 16 May 2000 08:28:33
GMT, Ilja <billy@arnis-bsl.com> says...
...
> The OP's question was:
> "how can I start another prog out of my perl-script, without keeping
> alive my main-script?"
>
> It's exactly what exec() does - it *replaces* the current process
> image with a new one. I guess it is what OP means by
> "... without keeping alive my main-script".
>
> BTW maybe I got the question misinterpreted due to
> my not-so-perfect English.
> If so, please give me a right interpretation.
No, you are right. Somehow I inverted the sense of the question to read
'while keeping alive my main-script'.
Sorry for the confusion.
--
(Just Another Larry) Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Larry_Rosler/
lr@hpl.hp.com
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:37:45 GMT
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: test
Message-Id: <dXdU4.1516$Kc1.206703@news.dircon.co.uk>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 10:39:26 -0400, Jean-Philippe Bouchard Wrote:
> test
Please read news.announce.newusers to determine the appropriate place
to make test postings.
/J\
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:59:26 GMT
From: jerome@activeindexing.com (Jerome O'Neil)
Subject: Re: zen and the art of trolling [OT]
Message-Id: <yfeU4.210$Wh6.12553@news.uswest.net>
In article <3920A541.A9F97464@stomp.stomp.tokyo>,
"Godzilla!" <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo> writes:
> Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
>
>> In article <3920917C.D2338697@stomp.stomp.tokyo>,
>> Godzilla! <godzilla@stomp.stomp.tokyo> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> I will say this one last time.
Realy? Promise?
I don't believe you.
>
> "I find no benefit in spreading hatred...."
What then is the bennefit of spreading bul1$hit?
Fertilizer?
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Date: 16 Sep 99 21:33:47 GMT (Last modified)
From: Perl-Users-Request@ruby.oce.orst.edu (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
Subject: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 16 Sep 99)
Message-Id: <null>
Administrivia:
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| NOTE: The mail to news gateway, and thus the ability to submit articles
| through this service to the newsgroup, has been removed. I do not have
| time to individually vet each article to make sure that someone isn't
| abusing the service, and I no longer have any desire to waste my time
| dealing with the campus admins when some fool complains to them about an
| article that has come through the gateway instead of complaining
| to the source.
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