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Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK dolphinride@usa.net
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <pats@acm.org>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK (Kragen Sitaker)
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <Xu_ome@Xhotmail.comXremoveus.comma>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <waikwu@redconnect.net>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <waikwu@redconnect.net>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <nospam@this.net>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK (Matthew J. Zukowski)
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <andrewperrin@netscape.net>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK (Kragen Sitaker)
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK <bismail@bisusa.com>
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK dolphinride@usa.net
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK dolphinride@usa.net
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK dolphinride@usa.net
Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK dolphinride@usa.net
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:52:09 GMT
From: dolphinride@usa.net
Subject: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
minute free".
I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call without
the computer answering.
The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call to
whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with this
person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
Any feedback appreciated.
If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the program,
split it 50-50.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: 06 Nov 1999 12:20:26 EST
From: Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <38246311.50EB7E59@acm.org>
Free first minute seems a useful feature to avoid getting charged for
wrong numbers and advertising. Why would anyone go to a lot of
programming effort in order to kill it off, or at a minimum cause it to
be hedged around with messy conditions about the number of free calls in
any time period or from any one number?
dolphinride@usa.net wrote:
>
> Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
> minute free".
>
> I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
> initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
> running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
> data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call without
> the computer answering.
>
> The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
> minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
> computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call to
> whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with this
> person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
> phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
>
> Any feedback appreciated.
>
> If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the program,
> split it 50-50.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:33:32 GMT
From: kragen@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker)
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <go%U3.48703$23.1840278@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>
In article <801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <dolphinride@usa.net> wrote:
> Any feedback appreciated.
It's a clever idea -- so clever it's probably illegal, and it is
certainly wrong. You're trying to get someone else to give you
something for nothing, and that is not a moral thing to do.
--
<kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
Tue Nov 02 1999
6 days until the Internet stock bubble bursts on Monday, 1999-11-08.
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/bubble.html>
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Date: 6 Nov 1999 18:05:10 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <801qkm$b9k$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
In comp.lang.perl.misc dolphinride@usa.net wrote:
> Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
> minute free".
>
Do they now ? How very nice of them.
>
> I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
> initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
> running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
> data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call without
> the computer answering.
>
Uh huh.
> The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
> minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
> computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call to
> whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with this
> person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
> phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
>
Oooh it sounds so convenient and labour saving.
> Any feedback appreciated.
>
> If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the program,
> split it 50-50.
>
Tell you what why dont *you* write the program and keep all the proceeds
yourself - it seems only reasonable after you having spent all this time
coming up with this superb product definition. I'm sure that if you have
any trouble with the Perl parts (or Java or Cobol) people in the appropriate
group would only be too happy to help.
/J\
--
Jonathan Stowe <jns@gellyfish.com>
<http://www.gellyfish.com>
Hastings: <URL:http://dmoz.org/Regional/UK/England/East_Sussex/Hastings>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 00:35:47 GMT
From: "Raetin Blace" <Xu_ome@Xhotmail.comXremoveus.comma>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <DP3V3.6728$zd.114391@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com>
<dolphinride@usa.net> wrote in message news:801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
> minute free".
>
> I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
> initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
> running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
> data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call without
> the computer answering.
>
> The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
> minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
> computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call to
> whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with this
> person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
> phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
Hmm .. ok, I'm not too knowledgeable in the 3-way calling field... but if
(as an example) I call a buddy of mine named X, then flash over and call
another buddy called Y, flash over and initiate a 3-way conversation... if I
hang up, won't it disconnect EVERYBODY? So if the computer initiated the
call to you, and then called someone else and then hang up and call you ..
wouldn't it just disconnect everybody? And even if it did work.. I'd really
get pissed off at all those little BOOOPS every time the computer calls in
.. then you gotta flash over and .. damn, it'll just get annoying...
Oh, and if the computer DOES call back - you won't have a 3-way any more..
-Raetin
> Any feedback appreciated.
>
> If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the program,
> split it 50-50.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:09:04 -0500
From: "Wai Wu" <waikwu@redconnect.net>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <s29qs0iuhpc7@corp.supernews.com>
Kragen Sitaker wrote in message ...
>In article <801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <dolphinride@usa.net> wrote:
>> Any feedback appreciated.
>
>It's a clever idea -- so clever it's probably illegal, and it is
>certainly wrong. You're trying to get someone else to give you
>something for nothing, and that is not a moral thing to do.
So is International Callback
>--
><kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
>Tue Nov 02 1999
>6 days until the Internet stock bubble bursts on Monday, 1999-11-08.
><URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/bubble.html>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:15:13 -0500
From: "Wai Wu" <waikwu@redconnect.net>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <s29r7h5fhpc45@corp.supernews.com>
dolphinride@usa.net wrote in message <801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
>minute free".
>
>
> I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
>initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
>running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
>data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call without
>the computer answering.
>
>The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
>minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
>computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call to
>whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with this
>person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
>phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
>
> Any feedback appreciated.
>
> If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the program,
>split it 50-50.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
Not a good idea to me. You will have a conversation that is 55 seconds on,
15 seconds off, 55 seconds on, 15 seconds
off................................. What a wast of Time. In a 10 minute
conversation, the cost of wasted time is well more than the cost of the call
if I have to pay for it.
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:35:48 -0500
From: cHaoTiCa <nospam@this.net>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <3824F394.86798401@this.net>
Wai Wu wrote:
>
> Not a good idea to me. You will have a conversation that is 55
> seconds on, 15 seconds off, 55 seconds on, 15 seconds
> off................................. What a wast of Time. In a 10
> minute conversation, the cost of wasted time is well more than the
> cost of the call if I have to pay for it.
hrm. another thought.
keep in mind that i don't know an awful lot about cellular....but
there has to be an initiating packet of some sort, yes? so if one
were to send a disconnect and a connect in rapid succession, the
"waste of time" could be minimized. though this would require a
specially made phone...
i really should buy that cellular telephony book i saw at borders. :)
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Date: 7 Nov 1999 05:37:40 GMT
From: zakezuke@halcyon.com (Matthew J. Zukowski)
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <803374$24s$1@brokaw.wa.com>
cHaoTiCa (nospam@this.net) wrote:
: Wai Wu wrote:
: >
: > Not a good idea to me. You will have a conversation that is 55
: > seconds on, 15 seconds off, 55 seconds on, 15 seconds
: > off................................. What a wast of Time. In a 10
: > minute conversation, the cost of wasted time is well more than the
: > cost of the call if I have to pay for it.
:
: hrm. another thought.
:
: keep in mind that i don't know an awful lot about cellular....but
: there has to be an initiating packet of some sort, yes? so if one
: were to send a disconnect and a connect in rapid succession, the
: "waste of time" could be minimized. though this would require a
: specially made phone...
:
: i really should buy that cellular telephony book i saw at borders. :)
Well, I have this mental image of the radio connected to a land line at
some point, while probally a high speed data protocal theses days, there
still is heavy latency between dial and pickup, even if that latency is
just the person's arm or finger moving to go onhook. Cell to cell on the
other hand might have less bogus stuff to deal with, but only within the
came carrier, and enough carriers are offering free cell to cell dialing
plans.
When I think about hacking into a cellular network, I really think to my
self why bother. Go radio! Granted the inital investment is higher, but
the per usage is limited to the electricity, possibly batteries. Geting
the amature licence is easier then it use to be, from what I understand
you don't even need to know morse. But you can get some pretty sweet high
band hardware to do data, and don't even have to bother with phone
companies, or go ultra low band (ham) and with the right antena brodcast
round the globe. Or if you want to geek to your heart's concent, play
with a CB. It's not used as much as it use to be, and might be adquate
for 2400 baud, perhaps 9600. You'll need a pair two channel to emulate
full duplex, but hey. Granted it's a pretty low tech solution by today's
standards, but it's open and free to the public!!! You can do quite a bit
with just 5watts, limited, but never the less you'll be a real geek.
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:59:10 -0800
From: Andrew J Perrin <andrewperrin@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <3825314E.891D0886@netscape.net>
>...Perl parts (or Java or Cobol) people in the appropriate
> >group would only be too happy to help.
Myself, I'm particularly amused by the idea of doing it in COBOL. Now
that sounds like fun....
ap
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 19:42:03 GMT
From: kragen@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker)
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <fCkV3.53818$23.2012683@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>
In article <s29qs0iuhpc7@corp.supernews.com>,
Wai Wu <waikwu@redconnect.net> wrote:
>Kragen Sitaker wrote in message ...
>>In article <801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <dolphinride@usa.net> wrote:
>>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>
>>It's a clever idea -- so clever it's probably illegal, and it is
>>certainly wrong. You're trying to get someone else to give you
>>something for nothing, and that is not a moral thing to do.
>
>So is International Callback
I think you're talking about a system where you call a machine in the
US (from e.g. Japan), hang up, and it calls you back and gives you a
dial-tone -- from which you can dial an international call from the US,
to, say, Beijing. Then you pay the company that operates the machine
the cost for the two international calls, plus a bit, and it's still
cheaper than if you'd dialed the call directly from Japan.
Is that what you're talking about? It is, I think, illegal in some
places (competing with the PTTs is usually illegal), but it's certainly
not something for nothing. You're just buying your long-distance
service from someone other than who you'd normally buy it from, at a
lower rate.
--
<kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
Tue Nov 02 1999
6 days until the Internet stock bubble bursts on Monday, 1999-11-08.
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/bubble.html>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:04:02 -0600
From: "Jerry P" <bismail@bisusa.com>
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <TroV3.408$gk3.23482@typhoon01.swbell.net>
Kragen Sitaker <kragen@dnaco.net
>
> I think you're talking about a system where you call a machine in
the
> US (from e.g. Japan), hang up, and it calls you back and gives you a
> dial-tone -- from which you can dial an international call from the
US,
> to, say, Beijing. Then you pay the company that operates the
machine
> the cost for the two international calls, plus a bit, and it's still
> cheaper than if you'd dialed the call directly from Japan.
An interesting ancedote. A few years ago, one of these call-back
services was located in Kansas and some South American country
got tired of losing it $6.00/minute charges so they BLOCKED all
attempts to call the area code in Kansas used by the company.
The company retaliated by moving their operation to Washington DC.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 04:45:58 GMT
From: dolphinride@usa.net
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <805ki6$914$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <38246311.50EB7E59@acm.org>,
Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> wrote:
> Free first minute seems a useful feature to avoid getting charged for
> wrong numbers and advertising. Why would anyone go to a lot of
> programming effort in order to kill it off, or at a minimum cause it
to
> be hedged around with messy conditions about the number of free calls
in
> any time period or from any one number?
>
The question is how many people would have to start using this
program on a regular basis for the cellular provider to change all
advertising as a result of it.
My belief is that this program would not be used by a high
percentage of cellular customers that have the availability if "first
inbound minute free"
If cellular provider "A" stopped offering first inbound minute free,
cellular provider "B" would have a competative edge on the
sales/advertising floor. These are the glaring reasons why cellular
providers will not stop offering "first inbound minute free" just
because of this program...
When I got my PrimeCo phone, I bought it JUST because of the first
inbound minute free. Turned out they were billing me at earlier that 60
seconds because of "switch time" or whatever. When I learned about the
error, I politely, and presistantly brought it to their attention. They
waited a couple weeks, then called me to let me know that they had
credited my account for more than $800.
I still insist that they keep a close eye on my account to ensure my
first inbound minute free. SInce they initally credited my account
about 1.5 years ago, they have credit my account at least $1000 to
ensure that I am in fact getting my first minute free. They have not
cut my phone off, nor have they threatened to stop offering me or
anyone else this feature. I rack up about 899-1000 minutes a month that
way.
I am tired of saying "call me right back". This program is a better
way.
> dolphinride@usa.net wrote:
> >
> > Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
> > minute free".
> >
> > I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
> > initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
> > running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
> > data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call
without
> > the computer answering.
> >
> > The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
> > minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
> > computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call
to
> > whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with
this
> > person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
> > phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
> >
> > Any feedback appreciated.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the
program,
> > split it 50-50.
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 04:51:52 GMT
From: dolphinride@usa.net
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <805kt8$93r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <go%U3.48703$23.1840278@typ11.nn.bcandid.com>,
kragen@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) wrote:
> In article <801mbp$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <dolphinride@usa.net>
wrote:
> > Any feedback appreciated.
>
> It's a clever idea -- so clever it's probably illegal, and it is
> certainly wrong. You're trying to get someone else to give you
> something for nothing, and that is not a moral thing to do.
> --
Definitly not illegal, based in part on the fact that When I got
my PrimeCo phone, I bought it JUST because of the first inbound minute
free. Turned out they were billing me at earlier that 60 seconds
because of "switch time" or whatever. When I learned about the error, I
politely, and presistantly brought it to their attention. They waited a
couple weeks, then called me to let me know that they had credited my
account for more than $800.
I still insist that they keep a close eye on my account to ensure my
first inbound minute free. SInce they initally credited my account
about 1.5 years ago, they have credit my account at least $1000 to
ensure that I am in fact getting my first minute free. They have not
cut my phone off, nor have they threatened to stop offering me or
anyone else this feature. I rack up about 899-1000 minutes a month that
way.
I am tired of saying "call me right back". This program is a better
way.
It is not "wrong". Not in my opinion. Just a good idea that will let
someone legally take full advantage of somthing that is indisputably
freely provided to them.
> <kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker
<http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
> Tue Nov 02 1999
> 6 days until the Internet stock bubble bursts on Monday, 1999-11-08.
> <URL:http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/bubble.html>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:01:58 GMT
From: dolphinride@usa.net
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <805lg6$9fj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <801qkm$b9k$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>,
Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com> wrote:
> In comp.lang.perl.misc dolphinride@usa.net wrote:
> > Okay, several cellular providers offer what they call "first inbound
> > minute free".
> >
>
> Do they now ? How very nice of them.
>
> >
> > I am thinking of a computer program that would allow someone to
> > initiate a phone call to their home phone, connected to a computer
> > running this software. The software would recognize from caller I.D.
> > data that it is your cell phone calling. You terminate the call
without
> > the computer answering.
> >
>
> Uh huh.
>
> > The computer then calls your cell phone back (free first inbound
> > minute) and asks you to input the phone number you want to call. The
> > computer then utilizes your 3-way calling feature and places a call
to
> > whatever number you specify. During your 3-way conversation with
this
> > person the computer automatically terminates the call to your cell
> > phone, and immediately calls your cell phone back EVERY MINUTE.
> >
>
> Oooh it sounds so convenient and labour saving.
>
> > Any feedback appreciated.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, you write it, I will market the
program,
> > split it 50-50.
> >
>
> Tell you what why dont *you* write the program and keep all the
proceeds
> yourself - it seems only reasonable after you having spent all this
time
> coming up with this superb product definition. I'm sure that if you
have
> any trouble with the Perl parts (or Java or Cobol) people in the
appropriate
> group would only be too happy to help.
>
Well, i can honestly say I wish I knew VB or some other way of coding
this myself. I Don't. If it is that easy, I would appreciate your
putting somthing together. Even though its easy, I'll still give ya
half of anything I make off marketing it...
> /J\
> --
> Jonathan Stowe <jns@gellyfish.com>
> <http://www.gellyfish.com>
> Hastings:
<URL:http://dmoz.org/Regional/UK/England/East_Sussex/Hastings>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:07:13 GMT
From: dolphinride@usa.net
Subject: Re: Idea for computer program...Free cellular LOOK
Message-Id: <805lq0$9pi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <3825314E.891D0886@netscape.net>,
Andrew J Perrin <andrewperrin@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>...Perl parts (or Java or Cobol) people in the appropriate
> >group would only be too happy to help.
Myself, I'm particularly amused by the idea of doing it in COBOL. Now
that sounds like fun....
I'm glad to hear you feel that way about it....write it, I'll sell it
We'll split it....
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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| through this service to the newsgroup, has been removed. I do not have
| time to individually vet each article to make sure that someone isn't
| abusing the service, and I no longer have any desire to waste my time
| dealing with the campus admins when some fool complains to them about an
| article that has come through the gateway instead of complaining
| to the source.
To submit articles to comp.lang.perl.announce, send your article to
clpa@perl.com.
To request back copies (available for a week or so), send your request
to almanac@ruby.oce.orst.edu with the command "send perl-users x.y",
where x is the volume number and y is the issue number.
For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
answer them even if I did know the answer.
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