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Perl-Users Digest Fri, 27 Aug 1999 Volume: 9 Number: 659
Today's topics:
A Question that Stems from Incredible Laziness (Ct60)
Checking for multiple spaces <info@counter.w-dt.com>
Re: Checking for multiple spaces (Abigail)
Re: Checking for multiple spaces <info@counter.w-dt.com>
Re: Checking for multiple spaces (Abigail)
Re: Desperately searching for perl lint (Chris Fedde)
Re: Implementing a Perl Script on NT (Sam Holden)
Re: Perl / CGI scripting help needed. <sreddy@in.ibm.com>
Re: Perl a Black Sheep? <jkline@one.net>
Re: Perl Y2K Bugs on the Internet (J. Moreno)
Re: Perl.exe has an interpreted mode? (Sam Holden)
Re: Perl.exe has an interpreted mode? (Martien Verbruggen)
Perlshop Modules <meo3f@virginia.edu>
PHP/mySQL problem <skumar@deutech.com>
Security on files in WINNT <ajansen@glasshouse.nl>
Technical Support Engineer wanted <dannywong@hknet.com>
Where to keep module source (Danny Aldham)
Re: Why use Python when we've got Perl? <meowing@banet.net>
Re: Why use Python when we've got Perl? <JamesL@Lugoj.Com>
Re: Why use Python when we've got Perl? <crdempsey@uswest.net>
www.perl.com broken (Danny Aldham)
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 06:19:52 GMT
From: ct60@aol.com (Ct60)
Subject: A Question that Stems from Incredible Laziness
Message-Id: <19990827021952.08066.00000276@ng-ce1.aol.com>
Dear Perl Community-
Can anyone give me the page number in the 2nd edition of the Camel Book
where it talks about False Hubris? My original reading left me with the
impression that that was a vice, but it seems I have gotten that wrong. I have
been looking all over for it, but since I don't have the book in electronic
form (alas) I can only manually do a search.
On a slightly more philosophical note, I can't resist expressing the real
reason I love programming with Perl. It cuts through the pretense that
permeates other languages. (Sorry Java). Perl says I can be a language that
any idiot can use effectively (I hold myself up as a case in point) and yet
still be fully OO. Why is this? Because ultimately all those high falutin'
objects are little more than fancy hashs. Scalars and lists are Perl's bread
and butter; yet Perl can do everything those HARD languages can do! I guess
I'm a hopeless geek, but I find some beauty in that.
Given what I have just said, perhaps humility is a greater virtue than
hubris. Maybe next time when some dweeboid comes to you with their head
inflated by their own perceived greatness at creating an astonishing new
object- sit the misguided soul down; smile sympathetically; and say "It's just
a list buddy; it's just a list!"
Do you agree?
Christopher Tauss (ct60@aol.com)
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:55:20 -0500
From: Mike <info@counter.w-dt.com>
Subject: Checking for multiple spaces
Message-Id: <37C61A37.B87C3765@counter.w-dt.com>
How do I check for multiple spaces in a variable and if there is more
than one next to each other give an error message.
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Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:55:36 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Checking for multiple spaces
Message-Id: <slrn7sc6ns.7v.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Mike (info@counter.w-dt.com) wrote on MMCLXXXVII September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:37C61A37.B87C3765@counter.w-dt.com>:
!! How do I check for multiple spaces in a variable and if there is more
!! than one next to each other give an error message.
warn "Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!" if 1 + index $variable => " ";
Abigail
--
perl -e 'for (s??4a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c204861636b65720as?;??;??)
{s?(..)s\??qq \?print chr 0x$1 and q ss\??excess}'
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:28:44 -0500
From: Mike <info@counter.w-dt.com>
Subject: Re: Checking for multiple spaces
Message-Id: <37C6220B.4CEE966E@counter.w-dt.com>
ok, how do you check to make sure the first character or last character isn't a
space?
Abigail wrote:
> Mike (info@counter.w-dt.com) wrote on MMCLXXXVII September MCMXCIII in
> <URL:news:37C61A37.B87C3765@counter.w-dt.com>:
> !! How do I check for multiple spaces in a variable and if there is more
> !! than one next to each other give an error message.
>
> warn "Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!" if 1 + index $variable => " ";
>
> Abigail
> --
> perl -e 'for (s??4a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c204861636b65720as?;??;??)
> {s?(..)s\??qq \?print chr 0x$1 and q ss\??excess}'
>
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 00:50:12 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Checking for multiple spaces
Message-Id: <slrn7sc9u7.7v.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Mike (info@counter.w-dt.com) wrote on MMCLXXXVII September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:37C6220B.4CEE966E@counter.w-dt.com>:
;; ok, how do you check to make sure the first character or last character isn't
;; space?
If you want an answer, don't post in Jeopardy style.
Abigail
--
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:32:58 GMT
From: cfedde@fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde)
Subject: Re: Desperately searching for perl lint
Message-Id: <_xox3.5839$Pt1.2719@wormhole.dimensional.com>
In article <37c4c19f.281564252@news1.on.sympatico.ca>,
T. Alex Beamish <talexb@tabsoft.on.ca> wrote:
>
>Thank you all .. since the "perl -MO=Lint -Mstrict -w" that Abigail
>suggested didn't work on the Linux platform I'm using, I will see if I
>can write something myself.
>T. Alex Beamish, Principal -- TAB Software
> Toronto, Ontario -- www.tabsoft.on.ca
"Static" code checkers like the lint have their uses and I don't
want to discourage your creating one. Especially if you bundle it
up and share a copy with us all. Heaven knows that I could use
help finding over scoped variables and un-used packages. Still
lint like tools can only go so far. In languages like perl there
are plenty of gopher holes to throw off even the best intentioned
static evaluator. Eval and closures and symbolic methods give all
kinds of interesting ways to cavort with the dynamics of your
system. If what you are looking for is a way to detect unused code
then you may want to look at some of the coverage testing utilities
in CPAN. Devel::Coverage has come in handy a time or two. There
might be other interesting goodies down there for your use too.
Just a thought
chris
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 04:19:04 GMT
From: sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au (Sam Holden)
Subject: Re: Implementing a Perl Script on NT
Message-Id: <slrn7sc4ev.bnq.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:51:57 +1000, elephant <elephant@squirrelgroup.com> wrote:
>
>binmode() would probably also be worth mentioning in CGI context ..
>certainly it comes up in a lot of what I would call "standard CGI
>programs"
Only is the original program was buggy, and didn't use binmode on
binary files/streams/whatever....
--
Sam
Many modern computer languages aspire to be minimalistic. They either
succeed in being minimalistic, in which case they're relatively useless,
or they don't succeed in being truly minimalistic, in which case you can
actually solve real problems with them. --Larry Wall
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:46:15 +0800
From: shivakumar <sreddy@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Perl / CGI scripting help needed.
Message-Id: <37C4D4A6.4D957617@in.ibm.com>
Tom Hicks wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have and or find perl / cgi scripts online. Some of them I can get to run. Some I can not get
> to run. The people that write the scripts are clueless about support. Any consultants out there
> that would be interested in helping this bozo out. How much $$$?
>
> Currently I have a need to get the following to work here.
> Links
> A YAHOO like directory.
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/
> Links is installed and used to work but currently will not add a post.
>
> MailMan
> Web based Email setup
> http://www.endymion.com/
> It is more or less installed here. The OS layout and I don't get along and need someone to show me
> how to effectively work with http://amber.he.net/cgi-bin/suid/~myaccount
>
> And others now possibly and or in the future if I am not drained alive $$$ wise :)
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Tom Hicks
> tomh@ncfweb.net
>
> InternetTemps.com
> Cyber Skills Exchange Free Listings
> http://www.internettemps.com
>
> Idowebs.com
--
This is just a tessssssssssssssss!!!!!!!
Regards
Siva Kumar.B
IBM India
Bangalore
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:19:15 -0400
From: Joe Kline <jkline@one.net>
Subject: Re: Perl a Black Sheep?
Message-Id: <37C61FD3.5861C2DD@one.net>
Bart Lateur wrote:
>
> OTOH, experience with Perl shows me that it's VERY stable, and although
> it has some bugs, virtually all of them are in obscure places where
> non-geek programmers rarely thread.
^^^^^^--> typo or just being clever? ;-)
joe
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:25:51 -0400
From: planb@newsreaders.com (J. Moreno)
Subject: Re: Perl Y2K Bugs on the Internet
Message-Id: <1dx66hh.12jmlp31ky0gxaN@roxboro0-0025.dyn.interpath.net>
<finsol@ts.co.nz> wrote:
> This posting relates to C/C++, Java and Javascript developers, but is of
> particular interest to those developing in Perl.
>
> Perl developers who are unaware that it is possible to create Y2K bugs
> in Perl applications may be interested in my article published August
> 1999 regarding the finding of numerous Y2K bugs in Perl, Java,
> Javascript and C/C++ in code published on the internet and buried within
> web pages.
>
> This article is available at URL:
> http://www.y2kinfo.com/journal/features/0899_amon.html
Generally a better article than your previous efforts -- I certainly
didn't see anything that was the equivalent of calling CGI a programming
language (except that it had a reference to your earlier articles which
wasn't so fortunate).
> The article links through to over 300 web pages that contain Y2K bugged
> code - the vast majority of them in Perl. The most common problem is
> hardcoded 19's but there are also 70 on-line examples of the booby trap
> code problem which affects all the above languages.
> To go directly to these on-line examples, the URL is:
> http://www.ts.co.nz/~finsol/y2k_examples.htm
Hmn, the first to examples are by wright, generally described as an
idiot. This is one of the problems with your argument in general -- you
aren't showing errors by those that are considered to know what they are
doing with a keyboard. Show a y2k error by anybody that has posted more
than 1 message a week here in clpm (or to the other groups) and you'd be
much more convincing. The fact that Wrights scripts /compile/ is
surprising -- you are expecting entirely too much if you expect them to
not have a problem with Y2K; if a problem is possible, he probably hits
it.
You have several (I didn't count them, but more than 4) examples where
the year is determined using
year += year > 70 ? 1900 : 2000;
and consider it a bug -- it's just as likely to be either an example of
someone being cute or trying to avoid silly y2k questions and/or keep
the next idiot that is going to maintain it from screwing it up.
This produces the correct answer and /appears/ to those that aren't
aware of the facts to be up-to-date in that it will avoid that nasty Y2k
bug that everybody is so concerned about. The comment attached to one
of them reinforces this:
# Add extra digits to front. Works till 2069
(Hmn, when I checked that link out to see if there was a comment, I saw
that it was dated 1997, I seem to recall exactly this being recommended
in a thread at that time for just that reason...).
Also -- besides the dead links, you give more than one example per
fool^H^H^H^H misguided individual (i.e. the fact that Joe ("19$year"
was good enough for billybob, and it's good enough for me) Programmer
made 5 different types of y2k mistake more than 20 times each in only 3
programs, shows that Joe Programmer is a fuck up, it doesn't show that
there is a general problem.
> It would appear that the Y2K message is still not getting through to
> many programmers. For Perl developers, part of the reason maybe that
> whenever the subject is raised within the Perl newsgroup the response is
> often abuse, denial or a belittling of the person making the query.
> Often they are told to read the FAQ which offers minimal information on
> the topic. An intelligent newsgroup debate on the topic would do more
> in enlightening programmers who have yet to discover that their
> applications need to be checked for Y2K bugs.
You haven't established yet that the people that read this group NEED to
have their programs checked.
You've shown that people that use perl are not automatically immune, we
know that.
You've not shown that the people this group mainly serves (regular
posters and lurkers) are uniformed on this issue or that they would be
well served to examine their code specifically for this particular
problem instead of some other particular problem.
The only way that further discussion in this group on this issue makes
sense is if either the regulars (posters and lurkers) are in need of
convincing OR that you expect it to be helpful to some wandering
passerby. The first seems unlikely because most of them were convince a
long time ago, and the second is rather moot -- wandering passerby's
aren't worth the disruption that such a thread produces.
--
John Moreno
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 04:20:50 GMT
From: sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au (Sam Holden)
Subject: Re: Perl.exe has an interpreted mode?
Message-Id: <slrn7sc4i9.bnq.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>
On 27 Aug 1999 03:57:31 GMT, revjack <revjack@radix.net> wrote:
>Abigail explains it all:
>
>: $ perl -w
>: print "Hello, world!\n";
>: __END__
>: Hello, world!
>: $
>
>:Look, no magic "control commands".
>
>But more keystrokes.
; perl -de1
Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.0401
Emacs support available.
Enter h or `h h' for help.
main::(-e:1): 1
DB<1> print "Hello world!\n"
Hello world!
--
Sam
It has been discovered that C++ provides a remarkable facility for
concealing the trival details of a program--such as where its bugs are.
--David Keppel
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:23:33 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: Perl.exe has an interpreted mode?
Message-Id: <9pox3.513$bJ4.8761@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>
In article <7q528s$t6a$1@news1.radix.net>,
revjack <revjack@radix.net> writes:
> I noted that "perl.exe" was cited, and MS software was used to post the
> article, so I presumed an MS OS. Ctrl-Z exits perl.exe on those systems
> without running the program; Ctrl-D submits the program and runs it.
On NT bothy ^D and ^Z will end the input for perl, but they do need to
be followed by a return, which is slightly unnatural behaviour. ^Z is
the normal EOF for NT and other MS products. I suspect the allowance
of ^D and ^Z both is programmed as opposed to a shell thing. But I
might be wrong.
Martien
--
Martien Verbruggen |
Interactive Media Division | Never hire a poor lawyer. Never buy
Commercial Dynamics Pty. Ltd. | from a rich salesperson.
NSW, Australia |
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:19:47 -0400
From: Eric Otey <meo3f@virginia.edu>
Subject: Perlshop Modules
Message-Id: <37C62E03.73DDD59@virginia.edu>
I'm the webmaster for a company trying to integrate real-time
credit card verification with their on-line catalog, run by
perlshop. We are thinking about going with Authorize.Net. I
contacted Authorize.Net to see if they were compatible with
Perlshop. They replied saying that there were some modules out
there that would make the connection with Authorize.Net. I was
wondering if anyone here could point me in the right direction to
find these modules, if they actually do exist (so far I haven't
found any).
Thanks in advance for your help.
Eric
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:25:25 +0530
From: "Sreshth Kumar" <skumar@deutech.com>
Subject: PHP/mySQL problem
Message-Id: <7q6aci$35t$1@news.vsnl.net.in>
I know this is a Perl newsgroup but some of you may have used PHP and could
help me out on this.
You can use PHP to read data from a MySQL database, but can PHP be also used
to write data into a MySQL database (say contents of a Web form) ? If so,
how?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Sreshth K
* Deucalion Technologies
* http://www.deutech.com
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:49:03 +0200
From: "Arjen Jansen" <ajansen@glasshouse.nl>
Subject: Security on files in WINNT
Message-Id: <935736629.350987@cyperus.glasshouse.net>
Hi,
I got ActivePerl 5.1.9 installed on a WinNT 4.0 server. Now I have the
problem that a perl script needs to write a file into a directory. And I am
not sure who or what kind of access to allow on that directory to make this
work.
So far I have only been able to write into directories where everyone has
full rights. You can imagine thats not what I want.
I am wondering as what kind of user Perl accesses files.
Anybody got any idea?
Arjen Jansen
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:04:01 +0800
From: "Danny Wong" <dannywong@hknet.com>
Subject: Technical Support Engineer wanted
Message-Id: <37c637fb@ruby.hknet.com>
We are a Network Consultancy Company in Central and have vacancy for the
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-- Responsible for network, server and workstation installation, setup and
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 04:01:59 GMT
From: danny@hendrix.postino.com (Danny Aldham)
Subject: Where to keep module source
Message-Id: <7q52jn$svm$1@hendrix.postino.com>
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
I am installing a new site with perl5.005_03 and will be adding a bunch
of modules. Sometime I put the module src into their own directories in
/usr/local/src , sometimes into /home/danny/src , (my directory) and
sometimes into /usr/local/src/perl5.005_03/ext . What is the convention
on this?
--
Danny Aldham Providing Certified Internetworking Solutions to Business
www.postino.com E-Mail, Web Servers, Mail Lists, Web Databases, SQL & Perl
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 00:22:06 -0400
From: meow <meowing@banet.net>
Subject: Re: Why use Python when we've got Perl?
Message-Id: <87iu616efl.fsf@slip-32-100-243-13.ma.us.ibm.net>
In comp.lang.perl.misc, Gary O'Keefe <gary@onegoodidea.com> wrote:
> <NOT SERIOUS>
> p.s. I've got a great idea: let's teach those smug python bastards a
> lesson by re-directing all the newbees to comp.lang.python.
It's been done. <URL:http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html>
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:23:31 -0700
From: James Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.Com>
Subject: Re: Why use Python when we've got Perl?
Message-Id: <37C620D3.A47C5BA@Lugoj.Com>
Phil Hunt wrote:
>
> In article <37c563bc.26497369@news.hydro.co.uk>
> gary@onegoodidea.com "Gary O'Keefe" writes:
> > Perl on the other hand is the first language anyone even vaguely
> > interested in putting together an interactive web-server hears about.
> > That means EVERY DUMBASS IN THE UNIVERSE who wants to put their cock
> > on the internet and have you virtually stroke it but, importantly,
> > can't be bothered to actually learn all this computer bullshit posts
> > to comp.lang.perl.misc.
> >
> > If your newsgroup (that you'd just paid to download) was filled with
> > posts like this:
> >
> > > Subject: [newbee] I am too damn lazy - can't you do this for me?
> > >
> > > hay gurus
> > >
> > > Im starting up an intractive cock-stroking website
> > > (http://www.cockstroke.com/). Its going 2 B KEWL!!!
> > >
> > > But I NEED A CGI TO MAKE IT WORK!!!
> > >
> > > Can you supr-clever gurus write me something??!! It woudnt take
> > > you any time and ITD B GRATE!!!
> > >
> > > THX
> > >
> > > Newbee
> >
> > then your patience would vapourise, just like ours.
> I can see it now: Python, the language for a firmer, harder, hotter,
> cock-stroking experience!!!
>
Please Gentlemen. These comments should be directed to the comp.lang.viagra
newsgroup. Only the Viagra language is capable of providing macho
programmers with the stamina to satisfy their computer's lust for more
things to compute. Or perhaps it is best that we not pursue this line of
inquiry....
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:38:23 -0600
From: Syniq <crdempsey@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Why use Python when we've got Perl?
Message-Id: <37C6244F.D81491F2@uswest.net>
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First of all, I want to apologize to everyone for continuing this useless
thread...that said, I'll now continue it. ;o)
>
>
> > When > 90% of the newsgroup postings are ill-formatted garbledy-gook
> > that also fall into the category of not having bothered to have first
> > checked the online docs or faqs that come with Perl, these things add up.
> > And eventually, it risks breaking our spirit. There's just no way to deal
> > with the never-ending onslaught of non-programmer CGI script kiddies, who
> > seem to outnumber the rest of us zillions to one.
>
And there's now way to deal with the never-ending onslaught of stupid
politicians.
Or the people that generally think the world owes them something.
Or the people that cut you off in traffic.
Or the people in line ahead of you that fart.
Or the people on Jerry Springer.
Or Jerry Springer.
Point is, that's life. Deal with it.
The rest of us have to deal with the never-ending onslaught of elitist,
megalomaniacal people who learn
how to use a curly brace and so develop a God-complex.
We zillions might apologize for soiling your existence with our presence, if
you deigned to allow us to speak.
>
> > So what do you do? You either bail out of this untenable situation, as
> > Larry Wall has done, or else "customer-service battle fatigue" sets in.
> > When that happens, people end up getting snapped at, sometimes mistaking
> > an honest learner for yet another beggar looking for handouts.
>
Simply not answering the post is beyond your capabilities? Is it more
difficult to simply do nothing (except, for course, patting yourself on the
back for your universal wisdom and omnipotence) rather than waste your
obviously wildly valuable time to write a script to flame these people?
Sure, it only took a few seconds, but Heaven only knows how large you might
have inflated your ego in that short time.
If you feel you MUST answer every post, then why don't you edit your spam-bot
to send links to the HOW-TOs and documentation? At
least you would be doing something other than bogging down mail servers around
the world.
> > I do think that earnest individuals seriously wanting
> > to work hard are still given the same helping hand they always got.
>
How can you tell, when they ask their first question? Is there a secret code?
I realize that some of you pay to download your newsgroup messages. Don't
blame the rest of us. Blame your ISP or phone company. It's
an open message board, which means everyone is allowed to post. If you are
upset that someone had the nerve to post something you
didn't want to read, perhaps you should find someway to read the posts without
paying by the minute. If your ISP charges you--change.
If your government charges you, don't blame me, or anyone other than your
government. We didn't set it up.
Finally, as a newbie, I have to wonder a few things: How much do you have to
learn before you can walk around with a big chip on your
shoulder and the ponderous weight of the mantle of God-hood resting heavy on
your head? Must be pretty cool to think you are greater than
everyone but those that can flame you for any question you ask.
Before you make someone feel foolish for trying to learn something, remember
that there is a situation in which each of those people could do
the same to you.
"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio,/ than are dreamt of in
your philosophy."--W. Shakespeare
"One sign of maturity is knowing when to ask for help."--D. Wholey
"Do not, as some ungracious pastors do,/ Show me the steep and thorny way to
heaven,/ Whiles like a puffed and reckless libertine/
Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads..."--W. Shakespeare
Cody aka Syniq
crdempsey@uswest.net
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Date: 27 Aug 1999 03:38:30 GMT
From: danny@hendrix.postino.com (Danny Aldham)
Subject: www.perl.com broken
Message-Id: <7q517m$s92$1@hendrix.postino.com>
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
I went to www.perl.com tonight to get connected to CPAN. Using both
Netscape & Lynx I selected CPAN which went to www.perl.com/CPAN/readme.html
and then selected "select a site manually". This links leads to
www.perl.com/CPAN/ which displays the same page, and selecting the same
link leads back to the same page again. Kind of bush league O'Reilly.
--
Danny Aldham Providing Certified Internetworking Solutions to Business
www.postino.com E-Mail, Web Servers, Mail Lists, Web Databases, SQL & Perl
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