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Sun Jul 25 19:07:11 1999
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 25 Jul 1999 Volume: 9 Number: 253
Today's topics:
Adding to and deleting from list boxes, text areas (William H. Hsu)
Re: Best Perl book? (brian d foy)
Re: Can anyone explain concepts of Perl Objects? (Damian Conway)
Re: Extracting plain text from email (Michael Rubenstein)
Re: Extracting plain text from email (Steven Smolinski)
Re: How to dereference an array reference? (Kai Großjohann)
How to run as diffrent user in PERL <zamors@ync.net>
Re: How to run as diffrent user in PERL (Mike Bristow)
Re: How to run as diffrent user in PERL (Abigail)
Re: index.cgi script help <rusenet@bigfoot.com>
Re: its 1.30am <snip> - eval - morning - I can see clea (brian d foy)
Re: need to understand do { block } (Michael Rubenstein)
Re: need to understand do { block } <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: Ping with the system(); (Mike Bristow)
reg expression <llornkcor@llornkcor.com>
Re: remove records from database (Mike Bristow)
Removing characters (Jimtaylor5)
Re: Removing characters (Garth Sainio)
Re: Replacing and Stripping HTML (Abigail)
system() <brad@americanisp.net>
Re: Which group is appropriate? bane_dewitt@my-deja.com
Re: Which group is appropriate? <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: Which group is appropriate? (Mike Bristow)
Re: Which group is appropriate? (Abigail)
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 21:57:13 GMT
From: bhsu@lightsaber.ncsa.uiuc.edu (William H. Hsu)
Subject: Adding to and deleting from list boxes, text areas
Message-Id: <7ng17p$egf$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
Keywords: CGI, Perl, HTML forms, list boxes, text areas, dynamic update
Has anyone written a CGI/Perl-based application that fills in
text areas or list boxes based on selections made from a multiple option list?
I have an option list that looks roughly like this:
<SELECT NAME=mylist MULTIPLE SIZE=3>
<OPTION VALUE=foo>foo
<OPTION VALUE=bar>bar
<OPTION VALUE=baz>baz
<OPTION VALUE=yada>yada
</SELECT>
and buttons corresponding to textareas:
[Add to 1 >>] { Text area 1 }
[Add to 2 >>] { Text area 2 }
When the user Ctrl-clicks on "foo" and "baz" and hits the "Add to 1"
button, I'd like to be able to:
1. Either gray out the selected items or delete them entirely from the option
list, so that only "bar" and "yada" may subsequently be selected, until the
form is reset. Graying out and deletion are equally acceptable for my
application. The updated list is statically initialized, but ephemeral,
so it's fine for the user's changes to last only as long as it takes to
finish "moving" items into the text areas.
2. Put "bar" and "yada" in { Text area 1 }
The functionality I am trying to achieve is similar to that in most
resource-transfer utilities (e.g, "Add/Remove font" in many word processors,
where one list box is updated from another; "move file/dir" in some graphical
FTP clients; etc.). I can maintain a "deleted entries" bit vector on the Perl
side; I just need to learn how to update the HTML list and text areas on the
fly.
I'd greatly appreciate any pointers to online references and/or any
examples, and will follow up with a summary of posts and e-mail if there is
interest.
Thanks,
Bill
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William H. Hsu, Ph.D.
Research Scientist, Automated Learning Group
National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
bhsu@ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/bhsu ICQ: 28651394
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:46:02 -0500
From: brian@pm.org (brian d foy)
Subject: Re: Best Perl book?
Message-Id: <brian-2507991846020001@news.panix.com>
Keywords: just another new york perl hacker
In article <QPhqZAAOitm3EwHb@zaynar.demon.co.uk>, Unigni <unigni@zaynar.demon.co.uk> posted:
> In article <slrn7ple5q.ap5.dha@panix7.panix.com>, "David H. Adler"
> <dha@panix7.panix.com> writes
> >iii) A listing of perl books with ratings is available at the perl home
> > page: http://www.perl.com/pub/language/critiques/index.html
> Wouldn't that site be a little bit biased towards O'Reilly books, since
> they actually own the web site? :-)
it's not the site you need to worry about, it's Tom, and as far as i
can tell he's equally rough on all books, and that's being kind to
some of them that shouldn't even be used to wrap fish.
--
brian d foy
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 20:28:02 GMT
From: damian@cs.monash.edu.au (Damian Conway)
Subject: Re: Can anyone explain concepts of Perl Objects?
Message-Id: <7nfs0i$192$1@towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au>
Ramanika <ramanika@flashmail.com> writes:
>What does bless do? (yes I have read all about it and still do not
>understand)
>Under what circumstances do you need it (bless)?
>Under what circumstances do you leave it out (bless)?
>What is the equivalent of bless in regards to C++ objects?
>What is the best way to represent member data in an object? Hash?
>What is the equilavent of "a pointer to an object" in Perl?
>How do you create and manipulate one (pointer to an object)?
>I have read all the man pages and perl books and still am struggling
>with a few basic concepts.
There's also an explanation of the basics of OO Perl at:
http://www.manning.com/Conway/Cyberdigest.html
Pages 14 to 18 in particular explain blessing, whilst pages 51 to 56
give a fairly detailed comparison between C++ and OO Perl.
Damian
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:49:15 GMT
From: miker3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: Extracting plain text from email
Message-Id: <37a5771e.92226614@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:22:07 -0400, tadmc@metronet.com (Tad
McClellan) wrote:
>Roger (rexcell@btinternet.com) wrote:
>
>: > Oh, and please place your replies *after* the sufficiently tailored
>: > text you quote. This is good usenet custom, and it is for a reason.
>
>: I am sorry u mean like this
>: I am also new to news groups mabey a good way to get help as long as i dont
>: upset every one.
>
>
> Read news.announce.newusers if you are a new user of news
> and want so see tha announcements so that you look like you
> know what you are doing.
Perhaps it would help if you'd give a citation to the article in
news.announce.newusers that says to place replies after the
quoted text. It is quite difficult to find.
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 22:00:59 GMT
From: sjs@yorku.ca (Steven Smolinski)
Subject: Re: Extracting plain text from email
Message-Id: <slrn7pmu2h.28t.sjs@frisco.gulch.com>
Michael Rubenstein <miker3@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
=(Tad McClellan) wrote:
=
=> Read news.announce.newusers if you are a new user of news
=> and want so see tha announcements so that you look like you
=> know what you are doing.
=
=Perhaps it would help if you'd give a citation to the article in
=news.announce.newusers that says to place replies after the
=quoted text. It is quite difficult to find.
I don't know about that custom, but many articles in that group tell you
to read a newsgroup for a while and abide by the customs. Placing
replies after quotes is a custom all over usenet -- it is very difficult
to miss if one is paying attention.
Steve
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 23:23:35 +0200
From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann)
Subject: Re: How to dereference an array reference?
Message-Id: <vaflnc4l8yw.fsf@petty.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
backwards.saerdna@srm.hc (Andreas Fehr) writes:
> Yes, filtering spam is easy, but here in Europe, most private
> people have a modem dialup connection to the internet and no
> flat rate to connect there. So loading all the spam to your
> computer takes some time and money.
The TV broadcasting stations are wasting my money! They broadcast
commercials, and *I* have to pay the electricity bill!
Let's start a compaign against the TV broadcasting stations wasting
our precious money!
Uh-huh.
kai
--
Life is hard and then you die.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:07:14 -0500
From: "Code" <zamors@ync.net>
Subject: How to run as diffrent user in PERL
Message-Id: <O9Km3.3$Q3.201@typ21b.nn.bcandid.com>
Hi, i have a perl script that i run as a cgi. Is there anyway to make it run
as a diffrent user than "Nobody"? I am having a problem changing files that
are set to user nobody.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:24:18 GMT
From: mike@fat.dotat.at (Mike Bristow)
Subject: Re: How to run as diffrent user in PERL
Message-Id: <slrn7pmsji.9ta.mike@lindt.fat.dotat.at>
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:07:14 -0500, Code <zamors@ync.net> wrote:
>Hi, i have a perl script that i run as a cgi. Is there anyway to make it run
>as a diffrent user than "Nobody"? I am having a problem changing files that
>are set to user nobody.
If you need to ask how, you probably shouldn't do it.
Read perlsec(1) to find out how to do it, and more importantly,
why it may very well be a bad idea.
--
Mike Bristow, Geek-At-Large. GK/RT0038
one tequila - two tequila - three tequila - FLOOR !!!
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 16:07:19 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: How to run as diffrent user in PERL
Message-Id: <slrn7pmv2v.b7i.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Code (zamors@ync.net) wrote on MMCLIV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:O9Km3.3$Q3.201@typ21b.nn.bcandid.com>:
@@ Hi, i have a perl script that i run as a cgi. Is there anyway to make it run
@@ as a diffrent user than "Nobody"? I am having a problem changing files that
@@ are set to user nobody.
Yes, but that has nothing to with Perl.
Go talk to your system administrator.
Abigail
--
package Just_another_Perl_Hacker; sub print {($_=$_[0])=~ s/_/ /g;
print } sub __PACKAGE__ { &
print ( __PACKAGE__)} &
__PACKAGE__
( )
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:48:07 +0200
From: "Rik." <rusenet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: index.cgi script help
Message-Id: <7nft05$50s$1@enterprise.cistron.net>
Anno Siegel <anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de> schreef in berichtnieuws
7nevtg$5oh$1@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de...
Mike <mike@customautotrim.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
and others posted also
But.. in order to answer your question:
What the script does, is trying to deal with the so-called subdomains.
The string that you pu in $url, will become visible in the address bar (as
the visitor will be forwarded to the $url).
This means that if you forward a visitor to
http://www.kewlness.com/index5.html
also the index5.html will become visible in the address bar.
In order to just keep a hey-i-don't-want-a-page URL in the address bar, you
could (and maybe should) create a directory (perhaps named 'othersite'?)
which you forward to.
This way http://subdomain.kewlness.com would load
http://www.kewlness.com/otherside
which is its turn loads the default page: index.html (home.htm whatsoever)..
Give it a try.
Rik
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:40:48 -0500
From: brian@pm.org (brian d foy)
Subject: Re: its 1.30am <snip> - eval - morning - I can see clearly now ...
Message-Id: <brian-2507991840480001@news.panix.com>
Keywords: just another new york perl hacker
In article <slrn7plshg.ho9.eric@plum.fruitcom.com>, eric@fruitcom.com posted:
> brian@pm.org (brian d foy):
> >
> > what are you trying to do? that is, what behaviour are you trying
> > to get? if you are trying to match against something in $_, then
> > you need something in $_ for it to succeed. what's supposed to be
> > in @ARGV?
> Ok, I have this script that looks in my flat text telephone list (it a
> largish list). Now it used to take only three args and the script needed
> to match those three args in the same line, so ..
> bri Fo mong
> as args, would match an entry
> Perl Mongers, Brian Foy
you should be using case insensitive matching with my name.
--
brian d foy
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:58:09 GMT
From: miker3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: need to understand do { block }
Message-Id: <37a77941.92773571@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
On 25 Jul 1999 16:26:19 GMT, mwang@tech.cicg.ml.com (Michael
Wang) wrote:
>Perl experts,
>
>what will be output by the following Perl script?
>
>print(
> do { foreach (1, 2) {
> (1..5);
> }
> }
>)
>
>Here is my analysis:
>
>(1) It will print what do { } returns
>(2) what do returns is the last expression evaluated in the do block
> [Camel book page 158]
>(3) foreach (1, 2) { } is a statement, not an expression
> which has no return value
>(4) (1..5) is an expression and returns itself
>(5) Expression (1..5) is evaluated twice per foreach {}
>(6) Last expression evaluated is (1..5) in do {} block
>(7) do {} should (1..5)
>(8) print should output (1..5)
>
>But in fact the above Perl script output nothing (no errors either).
>So I would like to know what steps in above analysis are not true? Thanks.
When you have problem like this it's always a good idea to use
the -w flag (actually, it's a good idea even when you don't have
a problem like this).
The result of the range operator depends on the context. In list
context it returns an array of values. In scalar context it
returns a boolean value. You are using it in a void context.
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 15:51:26 -0700
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: need to understand do { block }
Message-Id: <379b86de@cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
In comp.lang.perl.misc, miker3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Rubenstein) writes:
:In scalar context [the range operator] returns a boolean value.
Only for degenerate values of "boolean". The documentation is misleading.
It should say "scalar". Read past the first sentence.
In scalar context, ".." returns a boolean value. The operator is
bistable, like a flip-flop, and emulates the line-range (comma)
operator of sed, awk, and various editors. Each ".." operator
maintains its own boolean state. It is false as long as its left
operand is false. Once the left operand is true, the range operator
stays true until the right operand is true, AFTER which the range
operator becomes false again. (It doesn't become false till the next
time the range operator is evaluated. It can test the right operand
and become false on the same evaluation it became true (as in awk),
but it still returns true once. If you don't want it to test the
right operand till the next evaluation (as in sed), use three dots
("...") instead of two.) The right operand is not evaluated while
the operator is in the "false" state, and the left operand is not
evaluated while the operator is in the "true" state. The precedence
is a little lower than || and &&. The value returned is either
the empty string for false, or a sequence number (beginning with 1)
for true. The sequence number is reset for each range encountered.
The final sequence number in a range has the string "E0" appended to
it, which doesn't affect its numeric value, but gives you something
to search for if you want to exclude the endpoint. You can exclude
the beginning point by waiting for the sequence number to be greater
than 1. If either operand of scalar ".." is a constant expression,
that operand is implicitly compared to the $. variable, the current
line number.
--tom
--
:The only reason [not to use] perl is that some sysadmins don't allow software that they didn't pay for.
By all means, let them send me money if it makes them feel better. :-)
--Larry Wall in <1993Dec13.213032.26623@netlabs.com>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:40:24 GMT
From: mike@fat.dotat.at (Mike Bristow)
Subject: Re: Ping with the system();
Message-Id: <slrn7pmtho.9ta.mike@lindt.fat.dotat.at>
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:14:15 -0400, Garth Sainio <modred@shore.net> wrote:
>$mystring = `ping 194.7.91.65`;
Note that this command will run forever on may unixes: you probably
should do something like this:
---- imaginary code ----
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
# Set the following to a command that will ping a machine
# a finite number of times:
my $pingcmd = '/usr/sbin/ping'; # Solaris
# my $pingcmd = '/bin/ping -c 1'; # DeadRat Linux
# ... stuff here ...
my $string = `$pingcmd 194.7.91.65`;
---- end imaginary code ----
Be aware that the success and fail text you capture will be
different as well.
>using the module (you may need to install this or get it installed), these
>are just general instructions since I have never used this specific module
>before.
>
>add use Net::Ping; at the top of your then look at the documentation via
>the shell command perldoc Net::Ping.
This is, IMO, both a better idea and a worse idea at the same time ;-)
It's a better idea because, well, it's all perl. And all perl is
better than hoping the ping on the box your script ends up on
behaves the way you expect: after all, it's going to be the same
code ;-)
It's worse because either your target needs to be running a TCP or UDP
echo server or you need superuser privilages.
Probably the best compromise is to write a suid helper script (pping?)
that does what you expect everywhere: this will keep the SUID code
you need to quintiple check down to manageable sizes. Of course,
someone has probably already written one... but I can't be bothered
to look for it. I'll leave that for the people who want it ;-)
--
Mike Bristow, Geek-At-Large. GK/RT0038
one tequila - two tequila - three tequila - FLOOR !!!
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 16:09:28 -0600
From: llornkcor <llornkcor@llornkcor.com>
Subject: reg expression
Message-Id: <hfmsqt47.fsf@wind.localdomain>
Is there any wild card expressions ? I would like to delete all <img
src="blah blah blah"> tags. Not knowing what the actual url of the
image is. How could I match all the characters from < to >?
LP
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:52:48 GMT
From: mike@fat.dotat.at (Mike Bristow)
Subject: Re: remove records from database
Message-Id: <slrn7pmu8v.a01.mike@lindt.fat.dotat.at>
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:57:28 -0800, Chad Horton <sandc@sprynet.com> wrote:
>Here is my dilema:
Your newsclient is broken: it should be sending \n not \r\n to deliminate
lines.
>100|www.pepsi.com|10|10|80|0|
>20|www.pepsi.com|1||1|18|0|
[snip]
>What I need to find the highest value for column 1 for all records per
>domain and remove the duplicate records.
This has nothing to do with perl, assuming you're using the DBI interface
to get at the database. why? Because the question could be recast as:
`What SQL do I need to execute to find the highest value for colum 1 for
all records per domain and remove the duplicate records'.
Which is an SQL question, not a perl one.
--
Mike Bristow, Geek-At-Large. GK/RT0038
one tequila - two tequila - three tequila - FLOOR !!!
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 20:18:14 GMT
From: jimtaylor5@aol.com (Jimtaylor5)
Subject: Removing characters
Message-Id: <19990725161814.21146.00001525@ng-fx1.aol.com>
I'm trying to remove every first character of my variables. If it was on the
end I could use chop, but how would I remove one character at the front without
leaving a space?
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:35:51 -0400
From: modred@shore.net (Garth Sainio)
Subject: Re: Removing characters
Message-Id: <modred-2507991635510001@gniqncy-s01-018.port.shore.net>
In article <19990725161814.21146.00001525@ng-fx1.aol.com>,
jimtaylor5@aol.com (Jimtaylor5) wrote:
!! I'm trying to remove every first character of my variables. If it was on the
!! end I could use chop, but how would I remove one character at the
front without
!! leaving a space?
You can use substr to extract the substring from the second character onward.
$var = substr($var, 1);
Garth
--
Garth Sainio "Finishing second just means you were the
modred@shore.net first to lose" - anonymous
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 15:37:23 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Replacing and Stripping HTML
Message-Id: <slrn7pmtaq.b7i.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Anno Siegel (anno4000@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de) wrote on MMCLIV September
MCMXCIII in <URL:news:7netc9$5hs$1@lublin.zrz.tu-berlin.de>:
() Faisal Nasim <swiftkid@bigfoot.com> wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
() >: Here is what I am trying to do:
() >:
() >: 3. Strip remaining HTML from the file
() >
() >look at HTML::Parser
()
() ...which may or may not work after the </FONT> thingies (are those tags?)
() have been replaced.
Oh, sure it will. Don't forget HTML::Parser doesn't parse, and has no
HTML knowledge. Penguin::BBQ would have been a less confusing name.
HTML::Parser tokenizes something. It has knowledge of tags with TAGO = '<',
ETAGO = '</', TAGC = '>', and it knows how to deal with comments. But that's
about it. It doesn't know about marked sections, nettags, and not even CDATA
marked sections.
Abigail
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:30:13 -0600
From: Brad Baker <brad@americanisp.net>
Subject: system()
Message-Id: <379B73D5.57718BA5@americanisp.net>
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The syntax for the system() function is:
system("/bin/command var1 var2 etc");
But what would I put in the system function if the command to run
requires quotes?
eg-
/bin/command "Hello world" "Variable two" "mystuff"
?
Thanks!
Brad
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:22:36 GMT
From: bane_dewitt@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Which group is appropriate?
Message-Id: <7nfrm6$7oc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <slrn7pl230.465.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>,
abigail@delanet.com wrote:
> Noone in this group will ridicule you if you do your
> homework and ask questions. They might ridicule you
> for not doing what you should have been doing since
> highschool though.
"Do your homework" is pretty subjective, though.
Is there any perl language question that _can't_ be answered
with "RTFM" and/or "RTFFAQ"?
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 10:21:35 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Which group is appropriate?
Message-Id: <7neoff$21r$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:49:07 -0500 Kevin Kinnell wrote:
> My server gets the following (english) Perl groups:
>
> alt.perl.sockets
> comp.lang.perl
> comp.lang.perl.announce
> comp.lang.perl.misc
> comp.lang.perl.modules
> comp.lang.perl.tk
> perl.porters-gw
>
> Out of these, only c.l.p and c.l.p.misc aren't specific.
>
> Recent posts make it seem that c.l.p will be a defunct group
> soon.
>
Er, comp.lang.perl doesnt exist - hasnt done for a while ...
> Is there a group where Perl novices--who don't have all of
> the faqs memorized and are just exploring how to get things
> done--should be posting so that they may figure things out
> together instead of pestering the experts and exposing them-
> selves to the inevitable ridicule that attends learning how
> to fit into a new culture?
>
No you've just got to read the documentation and then take the
ridicule just like everyone else ... You'll be better for it in the
end.
/J\
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:37:44 GMT
From: mike@fat.dotat.at (Mike Bristow)
Subject: Re: Which group is appropriate?
Message-Id: <slrn7pn0t8.a21.mike@lindt.fat.dotat.at>
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:22:36 GMT, bane_dewitt@my-deja.com <bane_dewitt@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Is there any perl language question that _can't_ be answered
>with "RTFM" and/or "RTFFAQ"?
Yes.
However, I personally feel that a question answered with
``RTFFAQ'' together with how you can find out which bit
of the FAQ to read (eg perldoc -q) is of more value to a
newbie that practically any other answer.
It not only shows them the answer - probably a better answer
than the one I can come up with - but shows them how to find the
answer to their next question much quicker than posting to
usenet.
Give the newbie an answer and you satisfy his curiosity for
a question. Show a newbie where the FAQ is and how to seach
it easily, and you satisfy his curiosity until the newbie
isn't a newbie any more - and beyond.
Hey! Newbie! `perldoc -q keyword' is a good place to start!
--
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 17:53:30 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Which group is appropriate?
Message-Id: <slrn7pn5a1.b7i.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
bane_dewitt@my-deja.com (bane_dewitt@my-deja.com) wrote on MMCLIV
September MCMXCIII in <URL:news:7nfrm6$7oc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:
\\ In article <slrn7pl230.465.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>,
\\ abigail@delanet.com wrote:
\\
\\ > Noone in this group will ridicule you if you do your
\\ > homework and ask questions. They might ridicule you
\\ > for not doing what you should have been doing since
\\ > highschool though.
\\
\\ "Do your homework" is pretty subjective, though.
\\
\\ Is there any perl language question that _can't_ be answered
\\ with "RTFM" and/or "RTFFAQ"?
Yes.
Abigail
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