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Mon May 17 07:07:54 1999
Date: Mon, 17 May 99 04:00:22 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 17 May 1999 Volume: 8 Number: 5693
Today's topics:
Re: /usr/bin/perl vs /usr/local/bin/perl (Ethan H. Poole)
Any Function Keypress ? ... <kryz@evc.net>
Re: Any Function Keypress ? ... (Sam Holden)
Anyone understand header hashes in Mail::Mailer? (Lee)
Re: Anyone understand header hashes in Mail::Mailer? <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: C++ parser written in PERL <Mathias-Henry.Weber@de.heidelberg.com>
creating an system call on the fly (Eric Smith)
Getchar or Keypress ? <kryz@evc.net>
Re: Getchar or Keypress ? <ebohlman@netcom.com>
Re: Hash arrays <bill@fccj.org>
Re: Hash arrays <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
help, A Simple Question <dickyart@hkstar.com>
Re: help, A Simple Question (Sam Holden)
how to catch the return value in perl? <peary@mail3.intellect.com.tw>
Re: How to create a non-blocking UDP server on Win32 (Michel Dalle)
Multicasting with Perl (a sort-of answer) <bryan@tep12.ucsd.edu>
OOP and Perl-a good book? <"%GIVEN NAME%.o'regan"@port.ac.uk>
OOP and Perl-a good book? <"%GIVEN NAME%.o'regan"@port.ac.uk>
Re: open, read,then print a file (Bart Lateur)
Parsing a data file... <beamanj@webvision.com>
Re: Parsing a data file... (Michel Dalle)
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:56:08 -0400
From: ehpoole@ingress.com (Ethan H. Poole)
Subject: Re: /usr/bin/perl vs /usr/local/bin/perl
Message-Id: <Vl8P1nCo#GA.175@rejz.ij.net>
In article <7ho85g$8eg$1@52-a-usw.rb1.blv.nwnexus.net>, tzs@halcyon.com
says...
>
>What *should* happen is for everyone to make a "/interpreter" directory, and
>in that directory put symbolic links to perl, bash, awk, and any other
programs
>people commony use with #!. Scripts should then be distributed starting
with
>#!/interpreter/perl or #!/interpreter/bash or whatever.
Still wouldn't solve the problem, some systems will have multiple versions of
the same interpreter installed. Most programmers learned long ago that any
attempt to dictate a user's directory structure is almost always futile.
Even Microsoft has largely abandoned their attempts at getting users to use a
common directory structure, virtually any program nowadays will permit you
to install it just about anywhere you wish.
--
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| CGI Programming (Perl & C)..
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:40:31 +0200
From: "KRyZ" <kryz@evc.net>
Subject: Any Function Keypress ? ...
Message-Id: <7hoo7k$3va$1@front3.grolier.fr>
Is there any function Keypress or Getchar ?
I want to read a char from the keyboard and get his value directly. I don't
want to press the enter key ...
If anyone have an exemple of this function, please mail me ... thanx
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Date: 17 May 1999 10:08:35 GMT
From: sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au (Sam Holden)
Subject: Re: Any Function Keypress ? ...
Message-Id: <slrn7jvql3.n4l.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>
On Mon, 17 May 1999 11:40:31 +0200, KRyZ <kryz@evc.net> wrote:
>Is there any function Keypress or Getchar ?
>I want to read a char from the keyboard and get his value directly. I don't
>want to press the enter key ...
>If anyone have an exemple of this function, please mail me ... thanx
Don't ask twice. One post will do...
The answer is in the documentation that comes with perl...
In the FAQ to be specific. You know the thing your meant to read
_before_ you post.
perlfaq5 to be even more specific, but you multiple posts causes me
to not cut and paste the FAQ title you'll have to look yourself.
--
Sam
I don't want Perl to be beautiful--I want you to write beautiful
programs in Perl.
--Larry Wall
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:56:12 GMT
From: lee.kimber@bignofoot.com (Lee)
Subject: Anyone understand header hashes in Mail::Mailer?
Message-Id: <373fe756.10986384@news.dircon.co.uk>
I'm having toruble getting Mail::Mailer to use smtp to send emails for
a mailing list.
I've been using the Perl Cookbook (p652) to set up the email headers
as a hash but when I run the script, I get this error message:
"Can't use string ("From") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/Mail/Mailer.pm
I presume there's a good reason "strict refs" is in place and that I
should not therefore remove them.
The lines opening the mailer - and causing the problems are:
$mailer->open( 'From' => 'Lee <lee.kimber@bigfoot.com>',
'To' => 'Lee <lee-k@dircon.co.uk>',
'Subject' => 'Test Email' )
|| die "Can't open mailer: $!\n";
as detailed in The Perl Cookbook (except that I've added the error
message check at the end).
I've read the Mail examples and can't see why this is one is failing
(though I'm new to Perl so ...)
Anyone got any ideas?
The Home Repossession Page
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~lee-k/
(Remove antispam device to reply by email)
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Date: 17 May 1999 11:39:08 +0100
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone understand header hashes in Mail::Mailer?
Message-Id: <373ff1cc@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>
Lee <lee.kimber@bignofoot.com> wrote:
> I'm having toruble getting Mail::Mailer to use smtp to send emails for
> a mailing list.
>
> I've been using the Perl Cookbook (p652) to set up the email headers
> as a hash but when I run the script, I get this error message:
>
> "Can't use string ("From") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at
> /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/Mail/Mailer.pm
>
> I presume there's a good reason "strict refs" is in place and that I
> should not therefore remove them.
>
> The lines opening the mailer - and causing the problems are:
>
> $mailer->open( 'From' => 'Lee <lee.kimber@bigfoot.com>',
> 'To' => 'Lee <lee-k@dircon.co.uk>',
> 'Subject' => 'Test Email' )
> || die "Can't open mailer: $!\n";
>
Shouldnt that be :
$mailer->open({
'From' => ....,
'To' => ....,
'Subject' => ....
})
You need the curlies there as the argument is hash reference.
/J\
--
Jonathan Stowe <jns@gellyfish.com>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:15:49 +0200
From: "Mathias-H. Weber" <Mathias-Henry.Weber@de.heidelberg.com>
Subject: Re: C++ parser written in PERL
Message-Id: <373FC225.ADDDFB90@de.heidelberg.com>
Bart Wouters wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a newby in the PERL world.
> I have to write a C++ parser in PERL (result of the parsing is preferably a
> parse tree).
>
> Did anyone already do this ? Or something similar (like e.g. java parser in
> perl) ?
>
> What would be the best way to do this ?
> Which modules have interesting features and should I look into, to reach my
> goal ?
>
There is a yacc-like parser module available in perl. Its most recent
version is Parse-Yapp-0.31 which has been announced on May, 15th.
ftp://ftp.uni-hamburg.de/pub/soft/lang/perl/CPAN/authors/id/F/FD/FDESAR
(The URL should be all one line!)
Mathias
--
Mathias-H.Weber mailto:weber.m@gmx.de
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Date: 17 May 1999 09:59:35 GMT
From: eric@fruitcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: creating an system call on the fly
Message-Id: <slrn7jvq70.8fr.eric@plum.fruitcom.com>
Hi
I have scripts that automatically send mail with all sorts of prepared
parameters. The core of the script is a call to the MUA mutt viz:
system "mutt -s '$subject' -a $file $address <<EOF
Now I am embarrassingly being reduced to the following in order to include
all the attachments.
system "mutt -s '$subject' -a $file -a\
/d/e/distribution/doc/advancereports.jpeg\
-a /d/e/distribution/doc/bluelevel.jpeg -a\
/d/e/distribution/doc/consreport.jpeg \
-a /d/e/distribution/doc/elecscreen.jpeg -a\
/d/e/distribution/doc/greenlevel.jpeg \
-a /d/e/distribution/doc/intransitalarm.jpeg -a\
/d/e/distribution/doc/invoice.jpeg \
etc etc
Can I supply a globbing reference in my @ARGV and have perl do all this
dirty work for me?
Thanx a lot
--
Eric Smith
<eric@fruitcom.com>
Tel. 021 236 111
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:36:30 +0200
From: "KRyZ" <kryz@evc.net>
Subject: Getchar or Keypress ?
Message-Id: <7hoo3e$9sn$1@front1.grolier.fr>
anyone know how to read directly a char from the keyboard and get his value
? (i don't want to press the enter key ...)
If you have a small exemple ... please mail it me ... thanx
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:41:58 GMT
From: Eric Bohlman <ebohlman@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Getchar or Keypress ?
Message-Id: <ebohlmanFBvHpy.EzE@netcom.com>
KRyZ <kryz@evc.net> wrote:
: anyone know how to read directly a char from the keyboard and get his value
: ? (i don't want to press the enter key ...)
use Term::ReadKey;
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:32:06 -0400
From: "Bill Jones" <bill@fccj.org>
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <373f9ba0.0@usenet.fccj.cc.fl.us>
In article <7hm6bc$gdo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, armchair@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7hkblt$jrr@llama.swcp.com>,
> hudson@swcp.com (Tramm Hudson) wrote:
>> In article <7hjlcv$t2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <armchair@my-dejanews.com>
> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > Here's a dime old fellow. Get a real computer, get a real
> newsreader,
>> > get a good cup of coffee.
>>
>> Pot, meet Kettle. You are running NT and posting from Deja News with
>> a web browser -- hardly a real computer or newsreader by anyone's
>> standards
>
> Well I dislike Microsoft as much as the next person, but how did you
> know I am on a computer that uses NT, or was it just a guess?
It's 'real hard' to guess these days :]
From: armchair@my-dejanews.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:23:40 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Date: 17 May 1999 11:34:18 +0100
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <373ff0aa@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>
Bill Jones <bill@fccj.org> wrote:
> In article <7hm6bc$gdo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, armchair@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well I dislike Microsoft as much as the next person, but how did you
>> know I am on a computer that uses NT, or was it just a guess?
>
>
> It's 'real hard' to guess these days :]
>
> From: armchair@my-dejanews.com
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
> Subject: Re: Hash arrays
> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:23:40 GMT
> Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
> Lines: 46
> Message-ID: <7hm6bc$gdo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
> References: <7hh0nm$uqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hirnh$9no$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
> <373cf788@cs.colorado.edu> <7hjlcv$t2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
> <7hkblt$jrr@llama.swcp.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.146.34
> X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 16 10:23:40 1999 GMT
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> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.91.146.34
> Path:
> usenet.fccj.cc.fl.us!newsfeed.mia!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.m
> axwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail
>
Moreover we know that he is an employee of or is using the facilities
of the Lockheed-Martin Corporation - amazing ey ?
/J\
--
Jonathan Stowe <jns@gellyfish.com>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:18 +0800
From: dickyart <dickyart@hkstar.com>
Subject: help, A Simple Question
Message-Id: <373FD758.A94574AA@hkstar.com>
I am beginner of Perl
Please help me
-------------------------------
$B=(10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,'BOOM');
@A=$B;
for $c (@A){
print $c, "\n"; sleep(1);
}
-------------------------------
the result is BOOM
but I need the result it like that:
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
BOOM
-----
the $B , @A must need
Please email the answer to me.
dickyart@hkstar.com
thanks for help
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Date: 17 May 1999 09:12:49 GMT
From: sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au (Sam Holden)
Subject: Re: help, A Simple Question
Message-Id: <slrn7jvnch.jes.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>
On Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:18 +0800, dickyart <dickyart@hkstar.com> wrote:
>I am beginner of Perl
>Please help me
>
>-------------------------------
>$B=(10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,'BOOM');
>@A=$B;
Use @B if you want an array...
--
Sam
Can you sum up plan 9 in layman's terms? It does everything Unix does
only less reliably.
--Ken Thompson
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:06:00 +0800
From: "peary" <peary@mail3.intellect.com.tw>
Subject: how to catch the return value in perl?
Message-Id: <7holvd$ie3$1@news1.sinica.edu.tw>
Hi, all,
I use the Linux system with informix & perl,
We know we can use the perl statement " qx (ls -al) "
to capture the output of "ls -al" , and it really works.
Then I tried to write a C program and compiled to execution file as "add".
the code is as following....
/*--add.c--*/
#include <stdio.h>
main(int argc, char *argv[]){
printf("%s",argv[1]);
return;
}
and my perl example code :
#--add.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl
$|=1;
print "Content-type:text/html\n\n";
$p="123abc"
#--this is where i call the C program and want to capture the output value
$val=qx(./add $p)
print "<h1>return value--$val</h1>";
When I execute the perl program under the linux command mode,
"perl add.pl", it really print out the result as
"<h1>return value--123abc</h1>".
But when i run it on browser and submit to call the add.pl ,
the result(123abc) won't print out on browser(return value--), why?
Is somewhere wrong? or
Is there anyother method to catch the output or the return value
of the C program ?
Hope someone know can answer me, thanks a lot!!
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:12:07 GMT
From: michel.dalle@usa.net (Michel Dalle)
Subject: Re: How to create a non-blocking UDP server on Win32
Message-Id: <7hoq0a$pkk$1@news.mch.sbs.de>
In article <926612299.737412@zeppelin.svr.home.net>, "Jalil Feghhi" <jalil@corp.home.net> wrote:
>I am setting up a UDP server on a Win32 system and trying to make it
>non-blocking so that when I go to recv call it either times out or returns
>immediately (real non-blocking).
>
>I have tried two things so far. One is to use the Timeout arg to
>IO::Socket::INET->new call, which did not work (I still block on a
>subsequent recv call) and also tried to use fcnl() which is not implemented
>on Win32.
>
>I dont mind using the low leve socket functions here if that is the only way
>to do this.
>
>Could anybody tell me how to do this?
Have you had a look at select() ? That's how I usually check whether there
is something to read on a socket. And it doesn't rely on potentially
unimplemented socket options...
Have you looked at perlipc yet ? There is an example there for UDP that
does just about what you want :
socket();
bind();
..
send();
..
while (select()) {
recv();
}
close();
I'm sure you can do the same thing with IO::Socket too,
Michel.
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Date: 17 May 1999 08:02:07 GMT
From: The Hurdy Gurdy Man <bryan@tep12.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Multicasting with Perl (a sort-of answer)
Message-Id: <7hoidv$2al$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Seems like the news archives have plenty of posts where people ask whether
or not Perl can handle multicasting, but absolutely none wherein someone
says yes or no. I can't say definitively whether or not Perl supports it,
and I would like some kind of official statement saying yes or no. But
until that comes along, here's a little bit of info on the progress I've
made on my own.
I wrote two scripts, one that broadcasts and one that receives, and oddly
enough they do work with multicasts. The thing is, I didn't follow any of
the C programming conventions to write it, and in many regards it looks
like it shouldn't work. However, it has worked for me under Linux,
FreeBSD, and Solaris, but the exact same script does not work under IRIX.
Those are the only platforms to which I have access, so that's the best I
can do. If anyone knows the whole story on Perl and multicasting, PLEASE
let me know. The scripts I have don't work well enough for me to make a
full-fledged program out of them, but they do "sort-of" work so I am
hopeful.
Bryan
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:39:50 +0100
From: "%GIVEN NAME% o'regan" <"%GIVEN NAME%.o'regan"@port.ac.uk>
Subject: OOP and Perl-a good book?
Message-Id: <373FD5D6.46A1CD43@port.ac.uk>
I am learning PERL and have a project coming up to design web forms for
on-line submission of information. I was thinking I could use
Object-Oriented principles to design the basic form class and grow from
there. (I have done some very basic OOAD and some very basic JAVA so I
already have a good understanding of the basics of OO) I have tried
creating objects in PERL, but still struggling with the 500 error.
Would any be able recommend a good book that addresses OO in Perl
comprehensively?
Has anyone ever approached this type of project in this way?
any help appreciated.
David O'Regan
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:41:39 +0100
From: "%GIVEN NAME% o'regan" <"%GIVEN NAME%.o'regan"@port.ac.uk>
Subject: OOP and Perl-a good book?
Message-Id: <373FD642.7C101037@port.ac.uk>
I am learning PERL and have a project coming up to design web forms for
on-line submission of information. I was thinking I could use
Object-Oriented principles to design the basic form class and grow from
there. (I have done some very basic OOAD and some very basic JAVA so I
already have a good understanding of the basics of OO) I have tried
creating objects in PERL, but still struggling with the 500 error.
Would any be able recommend a good book that addresses OO in Perl
comprehensively?
Has anyone ever approached this type of project in this way?
any help appreciated.
David O'Regan
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:26:08 GMT
From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: open, read,then print a file
Message-Id: <3740c737.2242258@news.skynet.be>
armchair@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> > my $file_line = "";
>>
>> Just my $file_line would do, since you don't use it before setting it.
>
>I could swear I have gotten warnings before for not initializing
>variables on the same line I declare them. But I took it out and no
>warning. But that was on Perl 5.003 and I just tested on Perl 5.005???
No, the concept is that you get this warning only if you're trying to
USE an undefined variable, converting it to a string by for example
printing it, or interpolating in a string; or by trying to use it as a
number.
Simply copying the undefined value into another variable doesn't trigger
the warning.
my $value; # undefined
print $value; # gives a warning
my $string = "The value currently is '$value'"; # too
my $sum = $value+3; # too
my $copy = $value ; # NOT!
Oh, and this doesn't warn either:
$value++;
Because this is a trick that is used heavily, especially with hash
values, for example to count words. Other, vaguely related operators
(such as +=) don't warn either.
foreach $word (split /[?,;:.!]? +/) {
$count{$word}++;
}
Oh, and using undef in a boolean test interprets this as FALSE. No
warning.
Bart.
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:18:38 -0700
From: "news.pacbell.net" <beamanj@webvision.com>
Subject: Parsing a data file...
Message-Id: <L9R%2.30777$ny.2070059@typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net>
Forgive me for such a newbie question, but I need to write a Perl script
that parses values out of a data file in the form:
value1, value2, value3
value1, value2, value3
each line is intended to be a record, so I need to search through the
records until I meet search criteria, like:
while not eof,
if value3=something then
do something
exit loop
endif
next record
end while
PLEASE help ASAP
Thank you in advance,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:25:56 GMT
From: michel.dalle@usa.net (Michel Dalle)
Subject: Re: Parsing a data file...
Message-Id: <7hoqq8$q40$1@news.mch.sbs.de>
In article <L9R%2.30777$ny.2070059@typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net>, "news.pacbell.net" <beamanj@webvision.com> wrote:
>Forgive me for such a newbie question, but I need to write a Perl script
>that parses values out of a data file in the form:
>
>value1, value2, value3
>value1, value2, value3
>
>each line is intended to be a record, so I need to search through the
>records until I meet search criteria, like:
>
>while not eof,
> if value3=something then
> do something
> exit loop
> endif
> next record
>end while
>
Translated into "basic" Perl :
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
my($value1,$value2,$value3);
while (<>) {
chomp;
($value1,$value2,$value3) = split(/, /);
if ($value3 eq "something") {
print "Please do something !\n";
last;
}
}
So, grab some Perl manual, and look up :
- #!
- perl
- -w
- my
- variables
- while
- <>
- chomp
- split
- print
- last
And while you're at it, read the rest of the manual too :o
Michel.
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