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Date: Sun, 16 May 99 06:00:21 -0700
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Today's topics:
Chmod settings with omniHttp for w32 jokr81@my-dejanews.com
Re: comp.lang.perl.* archive? <fty@utk.edu>
counting lines in another file <bjorn.de.waele@skynet.be>
Re: counting lines in another file <debot@xs4all.nl>
Re: Hash arrays armchair@my-dejanews.com
Re: Hash arrays (Sam Holden)
Re: Hash arrays (Tramm Hudson)
Re: Hash arrays armchair@my-dejanews.com
Re: Hash arrays armchair@my-dejanews.com
Re: man pages and FAQs: why posted? (Bart Lateur)
Re: My script runs on win32, it won't run on Unix <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: mysql/perl question <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: need elegant way to deal hand of cards in Perl (Bart Lateur)
Re: Net::NNTP (Marcel Grunauer)
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:46:26 GMT
From: jokr81@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Chmod settings with omniHttp for w32
Message-Id: <7hmb6i$j6v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
I want to set up a chat on the Omni http
It works for some part, but it can't save it's data in a "/users"
directory that has to be created for it .
the author says in his readme , that there have to be different
chmod setting -
How can I do that in OmniHttp ???
Another question : how is the , that the perl-script can "see"
that datapath seems to be for unix . How is this done with OmniHttp ???
/usr/home/username/public_html/cgi-bin/darkchat/users/
the readme of the chat script :
DarkChat (C) 1997 by Sierra Kempster. All rights reserved.
This script is freeware, but please do not distribute without this
notice,
and email darkmoon@calweb.com to let me know it's being used. I won't
butt
in, but I like to know when my work is appreciated! :)
Inspired by Mike Wheeler's ChatPro.
For more information, email: skempster@tech.jps.net or visit the scripts
page at http://tech.jps.net/~skempster/
About:
DarkChat is a CGI script written in perl for use on my own web site.
I
was using Mike Wheeler's ChatPro (http://www.freescripts.com/) but
didn't care for some of the interface, so I wrote my own. It
doesn't
have the multi-room capabilities of Mike's script (yet!), but for my
personal site, it doesn't really need it. It can still do private
messages, and I think that's a private as somthing like this needs
to
get, at least for now.
Installation:
The first thing to need to do for this script is the installation.
When
you un-TAR the file, it should put everything where it needs to be,
but
you will still need to set the permissions as shown below:
drwxr-xr-x ./
-rw-r--r-- ./background.gif
-rw-r--r-- ./chat.gif
-rw-r--r-- ./chatblt.gif
-rwxr-xr-x ./darkchat.pl
-rw-rw-r-- ./help.html
-rw------- ./README.txt
drwxr-xr-x ./users/
In other words, the darkchat.pl script, the users/ directory, and
the
directory containing them need to be chmod 755 and everything else
needs
to be chmod 644. The README.txt file can be anything (is shown
chmod
600) since no one besides you needs to read it.
Some servers do not work with this configuration, normally marked by
an
inability to read anything that's posted. If this is the case,
change
the root and users/ directories to chmod 777. This is less secure
but
more likely to work.
Next you need to open up the darkchat.pl file in your favorite text
editor and configure the options as follows:
$title
This should be the title you want to have for your chat program.
$title_graphic
This is the graphic used for your chat's title. One is included
with
this archive (chat.gif), but it is for my own chat program. You're
welcome to use it if you like, but I'd rather you didn't. You
should
really try to be original. :) If you don't have one, that's okay
too.
$background
The background image for your chat. Included is background.gif,
which
is a very dark grey with a light texture. Again, it was designed
for my
own page, but is less page-specific than my title graphic. Use it,
or
don't.
$bgcolor
The bacground color (bgcolor of the body tag) for your chat, in
#RRGGBB
format.
$text
Text color for your chat, in #RRGGBB
$link
Link color
$vlink
vlink color
$alink
alink color
$oldcolor = "#7700FF";
Color for old messages
$actioncolor
Color for actions
$privcolor
Color for private messages
$keep
Time (in seconds) to keep messages.
$this_script
URL for this script
$data_path
Path for data files
Usually this will be the full path of the script. The #1 reason
I've
found that people have had trouble with the script (after
permissions) is this being set incorrectly. This needs to be the
directory CONTAINING the users/ directory, so by default this is
the
directory containing the script as well. So, for example, if the
path to the users directory is:
/usr/home/username/public_html/cgi-bin/darkchat/users/
then the $data_path needs to be set to:
/usr/home/username/public_html/cgi-bin/darkchat
$leave_url
URL users go to when they hit the "Leave" button.
$help_url
URL for help file
$chat_blt
Image to indicate new message. Included is chatblt.gif. Use it or
don't.
Once that's done, you should be ready to go.
If you have any questions, you can email me at skempster@tech.jps.net
and
I'll help you as best I can. Be sure to give me the error message(s)
you're
getting and the URL for the script, if possible. Before emailing me, be
sure you have everything (especially the permissions) configured
correctly.
README.txt revised Mon Apr 5 1
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:49:02 -0400
From: Jay Flaherty <fty@utk.edu>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.* archive?
Message-Id: <373C0DAD.1D553598@utk.edu>
Pavel Kotala wrote:
>
> Exists any way to explore historical news? I am biginner in discussion
> groups.
>
> Thank you
>
> Pavel Kotala
www.dejanews.com
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:38:18 +0200
From: "Bjorn De Waele" <bjorn.de.waele@skynet.be>
Subject: counting lines in another file
Message-Id: <7hmea0$jab$1@news1.skynet.be>
Hello,
I am pretty new in programming with perl and I need pretty urgent a small
programcode.
I've got a textfile called address.txt which contains very much lines with
e-mailaddresses in. I need to now automatically how much lines there are in
that text-file. How do I need to do this ?
I hope someone can help me out.
Thanks in advance,
Bjorn
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:58:53 +0200
From: Frank de Bot <debot@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: counting lines in another file
Message-Id: <373EC10D.3E68B00E@xs4all.nl>
open(FILE, "address.txt");
@file = <FILE>; # Put every line in the array. $file[0] = "line 1" $file[1]
= "line 2"
close (FILE);
print $#file + 1; # $#file gives the number of arrays. Its start with 0
instead on 1.
This is also possible:
open(FILE, "address.txt");
@file = <FILE>;
close(FILE);
$count = 0;
foreach $line(@file) { # Look at every part of the array seperatly. The will
become the string $line in this case.
$count++;
}
print $count;
Bjorn De Waele wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am pretty new in programming with perl and I need pretty urgent a small
> programcode.
>
> I've got a textfile called address.txt which contains very much lines with
> e-mailaddresses in. I need to now automatically how much lines there are in
> that text-file. How do I need to do this ?
>
> I hope someone can help me out.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Bjorn
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:45:52 GMT
From: armchair@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <7hm7l0$h55$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <slrn7jshmb.49a.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>,
sholden@cs.usyd.edu.au wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 1999 11:40:28 GMT, armchair@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >In article <ylwvya6ddk.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu>,
> > Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> armchair <armchair@my-dejanews.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > Thanks. It seems a bit much, as all I really want to do is check
to
> >see
> >> > if the hash has elements:
> >>
> >> Then test that. "if (%hash)".
> >
> >I believe I thanked you elsewhere for this tidbit.
> >
> >>
> >> > Do they have a place to post requested enhancements to Perl?
> >>
> >> It's usually better to learn Perl first.
> >
> >I would definitely have to study real hard and long to find out that
a
> >hash name inside an if test returns 0 if the has is empty.
>
> Other people read the manual that comes with perl before they start
> asking other people questions. Now lets see I want to know how id
> a hash has any elements in it... where would I find that. Probably
> in perldata - the documentation of perl data types... Oh look ten
seconds
> later I see this on my screen :
>
> If you evaluate a hash in a scalar context, it returns a
> value that is true if and only if the hash contains any
> key/value pairs.
>
> Learn how to read, it will help your programming a lot.
I am reading, as I have said elsewhere, I have 3 (actually 4, one is CGI
based) books on Perl. Apparently it takes more than reading to satisfy
your Perl fellows - it takes 100% comprehension of all material. That's
a high standard indeed.
>
> >
> >So you want a 20 year word processor user telling Corel how to make
> >WordPerfect easier to use and not someone trying it for the first
time?
>
> No. The instructions are in the manual. You didn't bother reading the
> manual. After you have read the manual feel free to make suggestions
for
> how it can be improved - that's what bug reports are for.
>
I have read the Perl manual. I haven't read every word, nor comprehended
everything I have read, but then again, I am not a Perl programmer, and
thus, mortal.
> --
> Sam
>
> You can blame it all on the internet. I do...
> --Larry Wall
>
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Date: 16 May 1999 11:02:44 GMT
From: sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au (Sam Holden)
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <slrn7jt9ek.6e1.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>
On Sun, 16 May 1999 10:45:52 GMT, armchair@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>I have read the Perl manual. I haven't read every word, nor comprehended
>everything I have read, but then again, I am not a Perl programmer, and
>thus, mortal.
Your mortal! That would explain it all....
--
Sam
So I did some research. On the Web, of course. Big mistake...
--Larry Wall
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Date: 16 May 1999 05:05:45 -0600
From: hudson@swcp.com (Tramm Hudson)
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <7hm8q9$2uu@llama.swcp.com>
In article <7hm6bc$gdo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <armchair@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> hudson@swcp.com (Tramm Hudson) wrote:
> > In article <7hjlcv$t2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <armchair@my-dejanews.com>
> > > Here's a dime old fellow. Get a real computer, get a real newsreader,
> > > get a good cup of coffee.
> >
> > Pot, meet Kettle. You are running NT and posting from Deja News with
> > a web browser -- hardly a real computer or newsreader by anyone's
> > standards. [snip]
>
> Well I dislike Microsoft as much as the next person, but how did you
> know I am on a computer that uses NT, or was it just a guess? [snip]
Every post that you have made has had the following header:
> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (WinNT; U)
Which tells us that you are using the english version of Netscape 4.51
running on Windows NT. While this is easy enough to fake I doubt that you
would have reason to set it to such a boring value.
> > Don't forget your multiple postings of many articles, poor
> > line wrapping skills and overall lack of proper follow-up editing.
> > [snip]
>
> I only multiple posted 2 or maybe 3 articles. At least one I actually
> changed a line (hit browser back after posting so it technically was
> different).
The Deja News interface makes it far to easy to make multiple postings
without canceling the previous versions. Do you know how to cancel
articles that you wish to retract and edit?
> As far as line wrapping, that is out of my hands and in
> Dejanews, which you criticize. You will have to be more specific on
> "overall lack of proper follow-up editing".
Yes, that is another reason to get a real newsreader that posts what you
input, not some mangled version of what you have typed. At least it is not
emitting HTML or MIME cruft. You should edit follow-up articles so that
the portions to which you are replying are left and the parts that are not
relevant are removed (but be sure to note the editing). You can use Deja
News to read the previous posts in a long-running thread if the originals
have expired from your spool.
For info on how to properly follow-up a post check out my style
guide available at:
http://www.swcp.com/~hudson/style.txt
[snip the rest]
Tramm
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:35:30 GMT
From: armchair@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <7hme2i$kuk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <7hm8q9$2uu@llama.swcp.com>,
hudson@swcp.com (Tramm Hudson) wrote:
> In article <7hm6bc$gdo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <armchair@my-dejanews.com>
wrote:
> > hudson@swcp.com (Tramm Hudson) wrote:
> > > In article <7hjlcv$t2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
<armchair@my-dejanews.com>
>
> The Deja News interface makes it far to easy to make multiple postings
> without canceling the previous versions. Do you know how to cancel
> articles that you wish to retract and edit?
Good point, they do have some explanation somewhere about how to cancel.
Odd thing though, if you cancel a message from a NewsReader other than
at DejaNews, and your post has already hit the DejaNews server, it
doesn't cancel the original, but does create a new message of
"canceled". (At least that was my experience when I canceled a message a
couple of years ago).
>
>
>
> Tramm
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:46:12 GMT
From: armchair@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Hash arrays
Message-Id: <7hmeml$l9s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <slrn7jt7rc.1nu.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>,
sholden@cs.usyd.edu.au wrote:
I am on a computer that uses NT, or was it just a guess?
>
> I expect the following header gives it away quite clearly :
>
> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (WinNT; U)
>
Well, DejaNews does not normally show 'header stuff' but does give you
access to it and I found:
The University of Sydney, Australia
Let's see, Fosters has been educating us on the differences between
Australia and America in their TV commercials - a sprig of parsley is a
salad, a guy bashing a door in with his head (was that you?) is a
locksmith, and .... blast, that's all I can remember mate!
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:44:13 GMT
From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: man pages and FAQs: why posted?
Message-Id: <373eab00.6853541@news.skynet.be>
John Callender wrote:
>Lee <rlb@intrinsix.ca> wrote:
>
>> I have been reading this ng for quite a while, and also surmised those same
>> reasons. But I don't think it will be effective, and I think it is an
>> enormous waste of bandwidth.
>
>I think this "enormous waste of bandwidth" charge is suspect. What do
>you really mean by it?
At times, the PERLFUNC and FAQ post comprise about half of all threads
in this newsgroup. That *IS* quite a lot.
Bart.
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Date: 16 May 1999 11:34:05 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: My script runs on win32, it won't run on Unix
Message-Id: <7hmafd$3h5$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Sat, 15 May 1999 22:21:49 GMT lazersa@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I have written a perl script based on a tutorial which I downloaded, in
> this tutorial, the author suggested i use win32 (Activeperl) to debug my
> perl scripts. The script runs without any glitches on a windows-based
> system. When I try it on a unix server, it just returns an error message
> - I do not have access to the log files, so i can't get any more
> information than that.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas as to why it won't run, or is there any Url
> where i can see the dfferences(or how to modify a script for unix)?
>
If you have installed the ActiveState Perl you should have the documentaion
installed under the ActivePerl group in your start menu - you should look
at the perlport document to see traps that might catch you out.
A few things to look out for :
* Incorrectly using binary mode to transfer program from Windows to Unix
(You should ASCII mode )
* Incorrect or missing shebang (#!) line - you will need to check with
your hosting provider to determine what it should be,
* Incorrect mode on your program - you will need to consult the
documentation for your FTP client to find out how to correctly set it.
* Missing modules.
* Assumptions about paths or filenames.
You should also look at the perlfaq9 documentation wherein there is some
description of how you might get some better diagnostic from a CGI program.
/J\
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Date: 16 May 1999 12:30:17 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: mysql/perl question
Message-Id: <7hmdop$3mj$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On 15 May 1999 17:47:30 -0700 Mike Sosteric wrote:
>
<please fix your newsreader so that it will split your text into separate
lines of approximately 75 characters>
> Just a quick question, I want to create a WWW link database using Perl/MySQL. I want to be able to retrieve links like at yahoo /Sociology/Journals/ or History/Canadian/Nice People
>
> i have it in my head to store links in a simpel table with two rows, one the link, and
> the other the hierarchy
>
> ROW1____________________ ROW2_____________________
> http://www.somelink.com/ /sociology/journals/
>
First of all you will probably want to fix your terminology - I think
you are talking about columns here not rows .
>
> before I go ahead and code this though, any advice on whether this is a good/efficient method or whether or not there are other options?
I could think of a more flexible way of doing this : instead of holding the
whole hierarchy in each row you might consider only holding the cateogory
that contains that item and also a type to indicate whether this is a
category or a link.
At your top level you will select only those rows with no container (or a
dot or whatever) then when someone selects one of those categories you
select all of the rows that has the corresponding container and so on -
the point of having a 'type' column is so that you could do the appropriate
thing and have both links and subcategories within a container.
A quick hack of an example for this might be:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use CGI qw(:standard);
print header;
my $item = param('item') || '.';
my $me = url();
if(open(INFILE,"blahoo.txt"))
{
print start_html("Index of $item");
while(<INFILE>)
{
chomp;
my ($category,$child,$type) = split /\|/;
if ( $category eq $item )
{
if ($type eq "C" )
{
print a({-href => "$me?item=$child" },$child),"<BR>\n";
}
elsif ($type eq "L")
{
print a({-href => $child },$child),"<BR>\n";
}
}
}
}
else
{
print start_html("Application error"),
"Couldnt open the file - $!";
}
print end_html;
This operating on data like :
.|Category1|C
.|Category2|C
.|Category3|C
Category1|1SubCategory1|C
Category1|1SubCategory2|C
Category1|1SubCategory3|C
Category1|1SubCategory4|C
Category2|2SubCategory1|C
Category2|2SubCategory2|C
Category2|2SubCategory3|C
Category2|2SubCategory4|C
Category3|3SubCategory1|C
Category3|3SubCategory2|C
Category3|3SubCategory3|C
Category3|3SubCategory4|C
1SubCategory1|http://www.blah.com/|L
1SubCategory1|http://www.stuff.com/|L
1SubCategory1|http://www.thing.com/|L
2SubCategory1|http://www.reet.com/|L
2SubCategory1|http://www.cow.com/|L
3SubCategory1|http://www.moo.com/|L
3SubCategory1|http://www.woof.com/|L
You might also want to put a description in there somewhere.
Issues regarding database design are probably better discussed in
comp.database.misc
Issues to do with CGI should be discussed in :
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
/J\
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:44:18 GMT
From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: need elegant way to deal hand of cards in Perl
Message-Id: <3741addd.7585581@news.skynet.be>
Bob Berman wrote:
>I'm trying to come up with a Perl routine to distribute data round robin into an
>arbitrary number of "buckets". Like dealing a hand of cards when people are
>coming and going from the table. I currently create an array of "n" empty array
>refs and then iterate over that in a while loop and insert into each anon. array
>in turn. It just seems kind of "brute" force to me.
Still, it sounds good to me.
my $n = 4; #people
my @deck = (1..52); # cards
@pile = (); # one anon array for each person
for my $i (0 .. $#deck) {
push @{$pile[$i % $n]}, $deck[$i];
}
Bart.
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:26:18 GMT
From: marcel.nospam.grunauer@lovely.nospam.net (Marcel Grunauer)
Subject: Re: Net::NNTP
Message-Id: <373eab14.1219523@enews.newsguy.com>
On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:35:04 -0700, David Cassell
<cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov> wrote:
>Go to www.activestate.com and follow the links to a Net::NNTP version
>for your Perl.
Use the PPM to download libwww-net (LWP) from ActiveState's Package
archive.
Marcel
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