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Date: Sun, 9 May 99 23:00:16 -0700
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Today's topics:
Re: cgi (forum) web hosting recommendations? <webmaster@chatbase.com>
Re: Character codes in Perl <gt7202e@prism.gatech.edu>
Re: DBI For NT??? <see@web.page>
Re: Executing programs with switches <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Re: Free Perl Web Database w/ full source code - commen (Steve MacLellan)
If first record....Please read!!! jeff@indexfinger.com
Re: Like on mIRC? <selectthree@gsig-net.qc.ca>
Re: Making executables from .pl files? smnayeem@my-dejanews.com
Re: Making executables from .pl files? <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Re: Pentium III Chips Released with IDs - Intel won't b <Matt@mpcm.com>
Re: regex question <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Re: regex question (Larry Rosler)
Re: spawn new browser window <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Re: undefined statements in perl?? <mpersico@erols.com>
Re: undefined statements in perl?? (Rahim Aladin)
Re: undefined statements in perl?? (Ilya Zakharevich)
Re: undefined statements in perl?? (Larry Rosler)
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:41:53 -0700
From: TRG Software : Tim Greer <webmaster@chatbase.com>
Subject: Re: cgi (forum) web hosting recommendations?
Message-Id: <37361D41.F4653345@chatbase.com>
Mark Austin wrote:
>
> Need hoster for travel forum
> Max 2000 postings per month
> Must have FLOCK capabilities (so not Sun)
> 10Mb would do - 20 better
> Looking to go with basic service level and then upgrade to virtual domain if
> successful
> I'm in the UK but dont mind where they are as long as they are reliable
> Any suggestions?
> RSVP
> Mark
You'll probably get a better answer, if you ask this question in the
right NG. I can't think of a suitable one though, sorry.
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:16:58 -0400
From: "andy barfoot" <gt7202e@prism.gatech.edu>
Subject: Re: Character codes in Perl
Message-Id: <7h58j8$jje$1@news-int.gatech.edu>
Henry Gondorff wrote in message <3733de14.17869722@news.intac.com>...
>Hi,
> I'm having problems with the ord() function in perl... it
>returns zero for several keys, including the arrow and function keys.
>Is this due to Perl itself or to DOS?
> Basically, I am looking for a way to differentiate between
>user keystrokes; currently, I have no way to tell the difference
>between 'F1' and 'Left Arrow' (or 'Right Arrow' or NULL, etc).
>I have tried both sysread() calls and the Term::ReadKey module.
>Getting the key from the console is no problem, but figuring out
>which key an ord() value of zero belongs to is my problem.
> I've seen a few attempts at answers to similar questions on
>CPAN, but I'm not anxious to use C header files to fix this... I am
>wondering if there is a 100% Perl solution.
> I am running ActivePerl 5.15 on Windows 98/DOS 7.
>Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>DTD
I remember writing BASIC programs a long time ago (using DOS 3.2 :) ).
Then, there was a command 'inkey' that was similar to readkey. I found that
when i pressed an arrow key, insert, delete, etc, i would get _two_
characters, one nul (ascii 0) and a letter. Try some of these..
Call readkey again after you get a zero. Do you get a letter?
Does readkey give you a two-character string?
Do the module docs at www.cpan.org say anything?
Is the module author's email address at cpan?
luck,
Andy
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Date: 09 May 1999 22:17:33 PDT
From: "Phlip" <see@web.page>
Subject: Re: DBI For NT???
Message-Id: <7h5q5d$hkl@chronicle.concentric.net>
Jason Sova wrote:
> Thanks guys for your help with my last question but I've seem
to
>have gotten stuck. I'm looking for DBD::XBase and all the links are
>dead. I found it at Jan Pazdziora's Page but it's the unix source.
I'm
>running a NT Server. What can be done. I'm still new to alot of
this
>stuff.
The standard answer for any Perl on Win32:
Install Perl from www.activestate.com. Their installer will even
plug Perl into MS's Web server for you.
This comes with a batch file called PPM. Run that in a command
prompt.
Use "search" to locate a module, and "install" to pump it in:
install DBD-ODBC
Your specific problem is you seek an xBase or dBase driver. If there
is none, get ODBC and Jet and the Office file data source drivers,
then use DBD::ODBC or DBD::ADO. The former is available via PPM, and
the latter is just one file so you can just plop it into the DBD
directory with the others. Then use the ODBC DSN builder on the
Control Panel, pick the dBase driver, associate it with a file, name
it, and pass it into the DBI connection string.
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:09:34 GMT
From: "Stephen Warren" <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Subject: Re: Executing programs with switches
Message-Id: <iStZ2.63$%j4.734@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
Ronnie <ronnie@post1.com> wrote in message
news:373652CD.DBC23D93@post1.com...
> I'm trying to execute a perl program (prog2) from another perl program
>
> But when I try
> system("prog2 -a optional_arg1 -b optional_arg2 compulsory_argument");
> it gives me a "Use of uninitialised value..." message.
Probably, you aren't actually using the code you gave, but something more
like:
system( "prog2 -a $arg1 -b $arg2 comp" ) ;
The error indicates that $arg1 and/or $arg2 haven't been initialized.
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:08:42 GMT
From: maclell@col.ca (Steve MacLellan)
Subject: Re: Free Perl Web Database w/ full source code - comments encouraged - db_Perl_Database_100.zip (0/1)
Message-Id: <37363ed0.92188567@news.tor.metronet.ca>
On Sun, 09 May 1999 23:06:10 GMT, jefflv@usol.com (Jeff Vannest)
wrote:
>On Sun, 09 May 1999 04:22:28 GMT, jefflv@usol.com (Jeff Vannest)
>wrote:
>>Here is a little hobby project I've been working for some time now....
>
>It occurs to me that this newsgroup was not the appropriate place to
>post this message -
>I have read several messages regarding how this group's name is
>appropriate, however its topical latitude still is frequently debated.
>I must agree with those who urge a more specific name for this group -
>let the .misc cover the .misc.
>
>Again, I apologize.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jeff Vannest
IMHO this was the right place to post it. Others, here, are often
quick to tell you your post doesn't belong here. As far as I am
concerned the "misc" should include scripts. and anything and
everything else that is miscellaneous Perl.
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:43:30 GMT
From: jeff@indexfinger.com
Subject: If first record....Please read!!!
Message-Id: <7h5a3i$4cs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Hi.
First, the script reads a databse...and foreach line it does something.
If its the first record in the database, it should do one thing.
If not, do something else.
Then move to the next record.
I need the "If its the first record in the database, it should do one
thing. If not, do something else." part.
I appreciate all help.
Thank You.
Jeff Farber
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:56:07 -0400
From: Pierre-Luc <selectthree@gsig-net.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Like on mIRC?
Message-Id: <37362EA4.9D283311@gsig-net.qc.ca>
Well...
that's nice from you to have answered my post, but can you be more
explicit, please?
Simply give me the code that would print on a web page "you are
modem83.gsig-net.qc.ca", as example.
Please,
Pierre-Luc Soucy
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:55:20 GMT
From: smnayeem@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Making executables from .pl files?
Message-Id: <7h5oro$dsk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
In article <37302931@cs.colorado.edu>,
tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen) wrote:
> [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited
author via email]
>
> In comp.lang.perl.misc,
> smnayeem@my-dejanews.com writes:
> :But say what if i want to send a copy of my
file to someone who doesnt have
> :perl installed. With the present way of
distributing i have to go to every
> :place and install perl (or have them install
it) before my program can be of
> :any use. isnt that like making it cause too
much of an overhead?
>
> And what if you want to send someone a program
that uses X11, but
> they don't have it?
>
> And what if you want to send someone a program
that uses Tk, but
> they don't have it?
>
> And what if you want to send someone a program
that uses Oracle, but
> they don't have it?
>
> And what if you want to send someone a program
that uses Windows, but
> they don't have it?
>
> Eh?
>
> --tom
> --
> "Patriotism is an arbitrary veneration of real
estate above principles."
>
What if u want to send someone a program that uses
C++?
no problem
What if u want to send someone a program that uses
J++?
no problem
What if u want to send someone a program that uses
C?
no problem
What if u want to send someone a program that uses
Pascal?
no problem
What if u want to send someone a program that uses
Basic?
no problem
err -- perl is another such language and why does
it have to have restrictions that none of those
languages have, they all can make exes ...
sometimes its more convenient, say i want to give
a small program to someplace and i can just carry
it by a floppy disk whereas if i need perl
installed i need to carry a whole bunch of disks
and wait and install the perl before i can show my
program... isnt it more convenient sometimes to
use exes?
smnayeem
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:41:16 GMT
From: "Stephen Warren" <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Subject: Re: Making executables from .pl files?
Message-Id: <0kuZ2.74$%j4.385@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
<smnayeem@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:7h5oro$dsk$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <37302931@cs.colorado.edu>,
>
> What if u want to send someone a program that uses
> C++?
> no problem
> What if u want to send someone a program that uses
> J++?
> no problem
> What if u want to send someone a program that uses
> C?
> no problem
> What if u want to send someone a program that uses
> Pascal?
> no problem
> What if u want to send someone a program that uses
> Basic?
> no problem
Well, if your program actually uses any of the above, then you must have
them installed. However, if you really meant that they were originally
written in the above languages[1] and then compiled to executables, then
you're correct that you probably[2] don't need those
applications/compiler-environments installed.
[1] J++ is not a language. It's a compiler for Java[3]
[2] But you may well need their run-times[4]...
[3] Although it isn't really Java, it's just something similar...
[4] Which in some cases are probably bigger than Perl[5]...
[5] Not that I've bothered checking, so don't call me on it.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:56:28 -0400
From: MPCM <Matt@mpcm.com>
Subject: Re: Pentium III Chips Released with IDs - Intel won't budge
Message-Id: <37362EBC.8D020ECA@mpcm.com>
Think about this, if you want privacy don't go online. In order to exist
in this wonderful cyber space, energy has to be sent back to you to
complete the circuit (communication at the simplest level). They know
where you are anyway, I am all for the boycott and other things, but the
truth is people don't care and would rather be ignorant, so lay off.
Intel No Privacy wrote:
>
> Pentium III chip with the individual serial number that can
> track your web surfing and buying habits can now have the ID number
> turned on and off by software. Following some links I found the
> www.fightdivx.com website and noticed that they have a Intel Boycott
> page with links, quotes and info on why you should boycott the
> invasion of privacy Pentium III chips. Just like everyone suspected,
> the ID number can be taken without a customers knowledge. Just like
> cellular phone fraud, once someone has your unique ID number, they
> could pose as you on the internet. Do not be fooled by reports that
> this problem is fixed because Intel disabled this feature by software
> on their up coming chips. Information is power. They want to know
> your surfing and buying habits. That is what this is all about. Here
> is the link to the page with the boycott info and links.
>
> http://www.fightdivx.com/intelboycott.htm
>
> Also you will find a Boycott Intel screen saver and banner on their
> page above. Spread it around.
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:33:10 GMT
From: "Stephen Warren" <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Subject: Re: regex question
Message-Id: <qcuZ2.70$%j4.734@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
chris <candree@one.net.au> wrote in message
news:3736254d.0@pink.one.net.au...
> I am a newbie to Perl and am having trouble with regexes. If I want to
> substitute 'or' with 'our' for example but only in words that end in 'or'
> and have more than 4 letters then s/ \S{3,}or/our/g; will replace words
> such as 'color' with 'our' instead of 'colour' .
>
> How do I detect strings but only substitute parts of them. I hope this is
> clear enough.
This is almost certainly in the FAQ, and certainly in the docs (run 'perldoc
perlre').
However, what you want is to use () in the search part of s///:
$x =~ s/removed(saved)removed/$1/ ;
The stuff in the () gets saved in $1. Further sets of () would set $2 and so
on.
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:32:56 -0700
From: lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
Subject: Re: regex question
Message-Id: <MPG.11a00f526c82d800989a25@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <3736254d.0@pink.one.net.au> on Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:12
+1000, chris <candree@one.net.au> says...
> I am a newbie to Perl and am having trouble with regexes. If I want to
> substitute 'or' with 'our' for example but only in words that end in 'or'
> and have more than 4 letters then s/ \S{3,}or/our/g; will replace words
> such as 'color' with 'our' instead of 'colour' .
>
> How do I detect strings but only substitute parts of them. I hope this is
> clear enough.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Chris Andree
Hey, Chris, are you and "Glenn" <nb@pup.com.au> taking the same course
and asking us to do your homework? If so, why can't you look at the
several responses already in this thread?
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:28:40 GMT
From: "Stephen Warren" <swarren@www.wwwdotorg.org>
Subject: Re: spawn new browser window
Message-Id: <c8uZ2.67$%j4.611@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
BLUESRIFT <bluesrift@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990509232934.19143.00001405@ng-fw1.aol.com...
> There are, of course, several HTML methods to spawn a new browser window
and
> probably several client side script languages also. What would the Perl
method
> be?
There really isn't a Perl method:
1) Perl isn't a Web browser (and is not usually a valid client-side browser
scripting language, more's the pity:-) and hence can't randomly open its own
browser window. Although if you're talking about a Perl script (rather than
a CGI script written in Perl), you might be able to system() or exec() a
browser...
2) CGI scripts (which I assume you really meant, which may well
co-incidentally be written in Perl) run on the server-side, so opening a
browser window is useless, since it wouldn't display anywhere useful.
On the offchance, you're actually talking about running PerlScript on the
browser (which would be platform-specific to a particular Windows
browser...), then you just use the Perl syntax for the same object as you
would in javascript/VBscript.
However, a more useful answer is:
1) Get your CGI script to send a javascript to the client to do what you
want, just like you would if your CGI was written in any other language.
2) Read an HTML/HTTP/CGI newsgroup.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:17:36 -0400
From: "Matthew O. Persico" <mpersico@erols.com>
Subject: Re: undefined statements in perl??
Message-Id: <373625A0.30F80392@erols.com>
Rahim Aladin wrote:
>
> if you have the following C code:
>
> int i=2, n=10;
>
> i=i++;
> n=i++ * i++;
>
First of all, you don't have to ask, you can simply execute it yourself
in the debugger (perl -de 42).
Second, the assignment of 10 to n is totally useless since the value of
n is unused before n is assigned.
Using the debugger (perl 5.005_03 on NT)
DB<10> $i=2
DB<11> $i=$i++
DB<12> x $i
0 2
DB<13> $n=$i++ * $i++;
DB<14> x $n
0 6
DB<15> x $i
0 4
These make perfect sense to me. $i=2 is obvious. Then $i is accessed and
the value (2) is held. $i is then advanced to 3. Then the 2 is placed
back into $i.
Then $i is accessed as 2, advanced to 3, accessed as 3 then advanced to
4. 2*3 is 6, placed in $n. $i is 4
Now, if you had $n = $i++/$i++, you might have a quandry as there may be
no standard as to which $i++ is performed first. For multiplication (or
addition), who cares? 2 * 3 = 3 * 2. For division (or subtraction), it
does make a difference as 2/3 != 3/2.
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Date: 10 May 1999 00:28:21 GMT
From: gt4530e@acmey.gatech.edu (Rahim Aladin)
Subject: Re: undefined statements in perl??
Message-Id: <7h5975$a87@catapult.gatech.edu>
i'm not sure if i fully understand this. The question i was trying to ask
is that in Perl, could you modify a variable more than once in the same
statement? and if so how is it handled by Perl. if you could explain this
a little more it would be great.
thanks
Matthew O. Persico (mpersico@erols.com) wrote:
: Rahim Aladin wrote:
: >
: > if you have the following C code:
: >
: > int i=2, n=10;
: >
: > i=i++;
: > n=i++ * i++;
: >
: First of all, you don't have to ask, you can simply execute it yourself
: in the debugger (perl -de 42).
: Second, the assignment of 10 to n is totally useless since the value of
: n is unused before n is assigned.
: Using the debugger (perl 5.005_03 on NT)
: DB<10> $i=2
: DB<11> $i=$i++
: DB<12> x $i
: 0 2
: DB<13> $n=$i++ * $i++;
: DB<14> x $n
: 0 6
: DB<15> x $i
: 0 4
: These make perfect sense to me. $i=2 is obvious. Then $i is accessed and
: the value (2) is held. $i is then advanced to 3. Then the 2 is placed
: back into $i.
: Then $i is accessed as 2, advanced to 3, accessed as 3 then advanced to
: 4. 2*3 is 6, placed in $n. $i is 4
: Now, if you had $n = $i++/$i++, you might have a quandry as there may be
: no standard as to which $i++ is performed first. For multiplication (or
: addition), who cares? 2 * 3 = 3 * 2. For division (or subtraction), it
: does make a difference as 2/3 != 3/2.
: ---------------------
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Date: 10 May 1999 01:24:51 GMT
From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)
Subject: Re: undefined statements in perl??
Message-Id: <7h5ch3$fb0$1@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Matthew O. Persico
<mpersico@erols.com>],
who wrote in article <373625A0.30F80392@erols.com>:
> > if you have the following C code:
> >
> > int i=2, n=10;
> >
> > i=i++;
> > n=i++ * i++;
> >
> First of all, you don't have to ask, you can simply execute it yourself
> in the debugger (perl -de 42).
Using experiments to clarify undefined behaviour is ridiculous. If it
is not defined, the result may depend on the phase of the moon.
Hope this helps,
Ilya
P.S. BTW, using experiments with *programming languages* is
riduculous. As far as you *need* to experiment to understand how a
feature works, it is not a programming language.
Until properly documented, Perl will remain a scripting language.
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:15:39 -0700
From: lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
Subject: Re: undefined statements in perl??
Message-Id: <MPG.119fd30b96ca3826989a1e@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <7h59fd$a87@catapult.gatech.edu> on 10 May 1999 00:32:45 GMT,
Rahim Aladin <gt4530e@acmey.gatech.edu> says...
> if you have the following C code:
>
> int i=2, n=10;
>
> i=i++;
> n=i++ * i++;
>
> the last two statements are undefined because i is being modified twice in
> the same statement. The ANSI/ISO C standard explains this by stating the
> following:
> "Between the previous and next sequence piont an object shall have its
> stored value modified at most once by the evaluation of an expression.
> Furthermore, the prior value shall be accessed only to determine the value
> to be stored."
>
> What are Perl's rules for situations like this?? I've looked in a few Perl
> books and cant find the the answer? Could somebody give me the answer to
> this question???
I'm sure the semantics wouldn't be intended to be any different. The
real difference is that much more effort went into formalizing these
concepts in the C Standard than went into the less-formal definition of
Perl. I don't think the sequence-point concept is mentioned in any Perl
docs.
The order in which side-effects occur in the evaluation of a list is
also a little murky, as some recent threads have shown.
Cross-posted and followups set to comp.lang.perl.misc, because there's
no modules in here no-how!
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