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Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 5549 Volume: 8
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Mon May 3 11:09:40 1999
Date: Mon, 3 May 99 08:00:21 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 3 May 1999 Volume: 8 Number: 5549
Today's topics:
Re: .htpasswd (Randal L. Schwartz)
Re: .htpasswd (Bart Lateur)
Re: A Question About Visual Perl <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
Re: Apache mod_perl script won't exit on Apache::exit() zenin@bawdycaste.org
Re: calling with strings (Tad McClellan)
Re: Can i run cgi in Win95 of my PC ?? <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
ctime(mtime) <chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu>
Re: ctime(mtime) (Michael Fuhr)
Re: finding the right doc WAS Re: using perl to manage <jdf@pobox.com>
Finding x^y? <wef@wwa.comx>
Re: Finding x^y? (Steve Linberg)
Re: Finding x^y? <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
Re: for ($i = 0, $i <= 29470, $i++} -- 29470 too high? (Rob Sweet)
Re: GETting a Web-Site with IO::Socket::INET <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
help! i need a simple example... mark_f_edwards@my-dejanews.com
Re: help! i need a simple example... <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
need user to be able to submit files from browser <matt@betcha.net>
New posters to comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Re: Newsfeed and Local Weather (John Klassa)
Re: Newsfeed and Local Weather <uri@sysarch.com>
Re: Newsfeed and Local Weather <uri@sysarch.com>
Re: Out of memory <ashilt01@sprintspectrum.com>
Re: Perl in the workplace (Steve Linberg)
Re: simple CGI program <fty@utk.edu>
Re: sorting data in perl (Brian Peisley)
Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
What's the difference between Perl and CGI? <joeyandsherry@mindspring.com>
Re: What's the difference between Perl and CGI? (Steve Linberg)
Re: Who is Just another Perl hacker? (Randal L. Schwartz)
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: 03 May 1999 06:54:13 -0700
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: .htpasswd
Message-Id: <m1zp3mfed6.fsf@halfdome.holdit.com>
>>>>> "Bart" == Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be> writes:
Bart> $salt = "xy"; #you need two letters, digits, or something
To be precise, two (or more) characters from the set of:
'0'..'9','a'..'z','A'..'Z','/','.'
print "Just another Perl hacker,"
--
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Keywords: Perl training, UNIX[tm] consulting, video production, skiing, flying
Email: <merlyn@stonehenge.com> Snail: (Call) PGP-Key: (finger merlyn@teleport.com)
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:53:54 GMT
From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: .htpasswd
Message-Id: <372fb80c.23548050@news.skynet.be>
On 03 May 1999 06:54:13 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>Bart> $salt = "xy"; #you need two letters, digits, or something
>
>To be precise, two (or more) characters from the set of:
>
> '0'..'9','a'..'z','A'..'Z','/','.'
>
>print "Just another Perl hacker,"
That's what the "or something" in my code comment was about. :-)
I knew there were some more different characters allowed, but I didn't
knew exactly which. I think this may depend on the OS, anyway (as does
crypt()).
Anyway, using only letters and digits, you have a pretty wide choice,
already. It's just intended to make the .htpasswd a bit more
"uncrackable", anyway.
Bart.
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Date: 03 May 1999 08:18:29 -0600
From: Daniel Grisinger <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
Subject: Re: A Question About Visual Perl
Message-Id: <m3so9eck3u.fsf@moiraine.dimensional.com>
bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur) writes:
> What do people (like you) expect of a "Visual Perl"? Since Perl cannot
> be used for development of GUI stuff, apart from Tk and Macintosh
> oriented stuff, I simply cannot imagine what it could be good for.
I have enough gtk-perl code to refute this. Perl is just as good for
visual apps as it is for other apps--in fact, just about the only
things I wouldn't want to write in perl are device drivers or
filesystems. I have heard of others writing filesystems in perl,
though.
> Perl is a "text only" oriented language to me.
Yes, but text doesn't mean 7-bit ascii anymore. With Unicode and i18n
a stream of `textual' is essentially identical to a stream of `binary'
data. Perl is changing right along with the definitions of `text',
fortunately.
Perl is excellent for solving problems spread across many
domains--anything that can be reduced to structured manipulation of
patterned data streams (everything, essentially :-) is sitting right
on Perl's home turf.
dgris
--
Daniel Grisinger dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com
perl -Mre=eval -e'$_=shift;;@[=split//;;$,=qq;\n;;;print
m;(.{$-}(?{$-++}));,q;;while$-<=@[;;' 'Just Another Perl Hacker'
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Date: 03 May 1999 14:05:20 GMT
From: zenin@bawdycaste.org
Subject: Re: Apache mod_perl script won't exit on Apache::exit();
Message-Id: <925740450.888095@thrush.omix.com>
Steve Baker <steveb@web.co.nz> wrote:
: I am running modperl on IRIX 6.5 with a persistant database connection to
: Oracle 8 with the latest perl, apache and openssl.
:
: my scripts will usually not terminate when the end of the script is
: reached.
Do you see the process hanging? Do you have server-status enabled?
If so, can you see the Apache children hanging? If you're using
CGI and not Apache::Registry, can you see the CGI process in ps?
What's its state?
: Even with an exit(); or Apache::exit(); the browser will keep on waiting
: for more data after the script has reached the end.
I assume if you're calling Apache's exit() (that's
Apache::Registry::exit(), yes?) that you're running under
Apache::Registry?
: the following code:
: print STDERR "the end";
: Apache::exit();
: print STDERR "you still here?";
:
: will only print "the end".
Err, isn't that correct? You've exit()ed, haven't you?
--
-Zenin (zenin@archive.rhps.org)
Yah, Emacs is a good OS, but I prefer FreeBSD.
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 03:43:43 -0400
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: calling with strings
Message-Id: <f3kjg7.e12.ln@magna.metronet.com>
joeyandsherry@mindspring.com wrote:
: I wish to write a script that I can link to with somewhat this format:
: http://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/thescript.pl
: But, I'd also like to include a string value with the link
: some what like this:
: http://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/thescript.pluserid=1234
: and have the ability to recognize the strings value.
How URLs are encoded is not a Perl thing.
It is a WWW thing.
You have landed in the wrong newsgroup.
You should ask WWW questions in a newsgroup that has some
connection to the WWW, such as the comp.infosystems.www.*
newsgroups.
--
Tad McClellan SGML Consulting
tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:59:17 -0500
From: Cameron Dorey <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
To: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Can i run cgi in Win95 of my PC ??
Message-Id: <372DABB5.B3E3D3A7@mail.uca.edu>
[cc'd to js(g)]
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
>
> Arzhan I. Kinzhalin <kai@sparc.spb.su> wrote:
> >
> > I want just note that installing http server is not a reqiurement: perl (5.005 I
> > guess) does have offline-mode which is helpful to test CGI scripts written in
> > perl without httpd. But you'll get tired of typing parameter values each time
> > you run a script. :)
> >
>
> Just to clarify Perl itself does not have an off-line mode - it is the module
> CGI.pm that has such a mode.
Sure, Perl has an offline mode, on M$Win systems, it's called the
command line, or, often, "D***, I have to type something here! Where's
that keyboard? Which key is the 'any key'?" and, as many people point
out, it's what most of us use most of the time. It's CGI.pm that has an
*on*line mode. ;)
(But, I knew you knew that, I couldn't resist.)
Cameron
--
Cameron Dorey
camerond@mail.uca.edu
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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:41:27 -0800
From: "Chris" <chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu>
Subject: ctime(mtime)
Message-Id: <7gik8o$1gd$1@news.alaska.edu>
The PerlFAQ uses this as an example of getting a file's last modification
date:
...
$date_string = ctime(stat($checkfile)->mtime);
...
According to the stat documentation:
9 mtime last modify time since the epoch
10 ctime inode change time (NOT creation time!) since the epoch
So what does the line I quoted actually do in newbie english terms? I guess
the problem is that I can't find any mention of ctime as a function instead
of a value returned from stat()?
c
--
Chris Lott <chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu> p907.474.6350 f907.474.6841
IT Specialist - University of Alaska Fairbanks
http://itdc.elmer.uaf.edu/chris/
"This sentence has threee erors."
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Date: 3 May 1999 07:58:36 -0600
From: mfuhr@dimensional.com (Michael Fuhr)
Subject: Re: ctime(mtime)
Message-Id: <7gka2c$pe0@flatland.dimensional.com>
"Chris" <chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu> writes:
> The PerlFAQ uses this as an example of getting a file's last modification
> date:
>
> ...
> $date_string = ctime(stat($checkfile)->mtime);
> ...
>
> According to the stat documentation:
>
> 9 mtime last modify time since the epoch
> 10 ctime inode change time (NOT creation time!) since the epoch
>
> So what does the line I quoted actually do in newbie english terms? I guess
> the problem is that I can't find any mention of ctime as a function instead
> of a value returned from stat()?
Look at the line immediately above the one you quoted (perlfaq5):
use Time::localtime;
You'll find ctime() documented in the Time::localtime manual page.
--
Michael Fuhr
http://www.fuhr.org/~mfuhr/
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Date: 03 May 1999 10:53:33 -0400
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: finding the right doc WAS Re: using perl to manage passwords?
Message-Id: <m3d80i5hn6.fsf@joshua.panix.com>
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> writes:
> In comp.lang.perl.misc, Dan Baker <dtbaker@bus-prod.com> writes:
> :what will be the preferred documentation method of the future?
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:45:43 +0000
From: JWefler <wef@wwa.comx>
Subject: Finding x^y?
Message-Id: <372D7047.3951CD68@wwa.comx>
Why can't I find this in a FAQ or book?
$answer = $y ^ $x;
Help me with the syntax to perform a (x to the yth power)....
?,
--
JWefler
wef@wwa.comx
"Blow the x outta your a__!"
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:49:18 -0400
From: linberg@literacy.upenn.edu (Steve Linberg)
Subject: Re: Finding x^y?
Message-Id: <linberg-0305991049180001@ltl1.literacy.upenn.edu>
In article <372D7047.3951CD68@wwa.comx>, JWefler <wef@wwa.comx> wrote:
> Why can't I find this in a FAQ or book?
Because you didn't look up "exponentiation" in Programming Perl, probably.
> $answer = $y ^ $x;
>
> Help me with the syntax to perform a (x to the yth power)....
$answer = $y ** $x;
--
Steve Linberg, Systems Programmer &c.
National Center on Adult Literacy, University of Pennsylvania
email: <linberg@literacy.upenn.edu>
WWW: <http://www.literacyonline.org>
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Date: 03 May 1999 08:55:52 -0600
From: Daniel Grisinger <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
Subject: Re: Finding x^y?
Message-Id: <m37lqqcidj.fsf@moiraine.dimensional.com>
JWefler <wef@wwa.comx> writes:
<snip>
I tried to mail you an answer, but you appear to have made
on error entering your mail address in your newsreader.
Oh, well, I guess you didn't really need to know all that badly.
*plonk*
dgris
--
Daniel Grisinger dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com
perl -Mre=eval -e'$_=shift;;@[=split//;;$,=qq;\n;;;print
m;(.{$-}(?{$-++}));,q;;while$-<=@[;;' 'Just Another Perl Hacker'
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:17:51 GMT
From: sweet@enterpriseusa.com (Rob Sweet)
Subject: Re: for ($i = 0, $i <= 29470, $i++} -- 29470 too high?
Message-Id: <372dafb1.154740531@news1.mi.home.net>
On Sun, 2 May 1999 16:38:55 -0400, tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
wrote:
>Rob Sweet (sweet@enterpriseusa.com) wrote:
>
>: You should be using a semicolon not a comma as a delimiter.
>
>
> s/delimiter/separator/;
>
> A "delimiter" marks both "limits", the start and end, like
> "double quotes".
>
> A separator marks the end of one "thing" and the beginning
> of the next thing, like the space characters in this sentence.
>
> Precise terminology is important when discussing technical topics :-)
>
I stand corrected. (OK, I sit corrected).
---
Rob Sweet
sweet@enterpriseusa.com
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Date: 03 May 1999 08:38:00 -0600
From: Daniel Grisinger <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
Subject: Re: GETting a Web-Site with IO::Socket::INET
Message-Id: <m3hfpucj7b.fsf@moiraine.dimensional.com>
"Joe" <keitgen@keitgen.de> writes:
<referring to LWP::Simple, although that isn't apparent due to
misplaced quotations>
> This is too slow for me... It takes for ever on my server....
You aren't going to find a much faster way to fetch other web
documents.
Specifically, unless you are sitting on top of a huge pipe and are
also very close (from a network topology perspective) to your target
site you aren't going to see any perceptible difference in methods to
fetch remote resources via http. You are much more constrained by
bandwidth than anything else the vast majority of time.
Perhaps you should look into some sore of caching solution.
dgris
--
Daniel Grisinger dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com
perl -Mre=eval -e'$_=shift;;@[=split//;;$,=qq;\n;;;print
m;(.{$-}(?{$-++}));,q;;while$-<=@[;;' 'Just Another Perl Hacker'
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:28:03 GMT
From: mark_f_edwards@my-dejanews.com
Subject: help! i need a simple example...
Message-Id: <7gk88v$sti$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
can any of u perl wizards send me a SIMPLE (hello world) example
of perl calling c, or maybe even c calling perl?????
thx,
mark edwards
mark_f_edwards@excite.com
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Date: 03 May 1999 08:30:34 -0600
From: Daniel Grisinger <dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com>
Subject: Re: help! i need a simple example...
Message-Id: <m3n1zmcjjp.fsf@moiraine.dimensional.com>
mark_f_edwards@my-dejanews.com writes:
> of perl calling c, or maybe even c calling perl?????
Do you have questions that aren't answered in the following
documents-
Standard Manpages-
perlxs
perlxstut
perlguts
perlembed
perlcall
h2xs
xsubpp
Web Resources-
Perlguts Illustrated (a great information source about perl internals)
http://home.sol.no/~aas/perl/guts/
dgris
- believes that one should find one's own way through
the realm of wizards and dragons that is XS
--
Daniel Grisinger dgris@moiraine.dimensional.com
perl -Mre=eval -e'$_=shift;;@[=split//;;$,=qq;\n;;;print
m;(.{$-}(?{$-++}));,q;;while$-<=@[;;' 'Just Another Perl Hacker'
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:55:27 -0400
From: "Matt Baker" <matt@betcha.net>
Subject: need user to be able to submit files from browser
Message-Id: <7gkd24$gfn$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>
how is this done? I know netscape has an ftp feature built into the browser
but I need a script (or maybe its just an html thing) that will allow
retrieval of a file(specified by the user) from the users machine.
Thanks
matt
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Date: 3 May 1999 14:18:03 GMT
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: New posters to comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <7gkb6r$a1$2@info2.uah.edu>
Following is a summary of articles from new posters spanning a 7 day
period, beginning at 26 Apr 1999 14:09:41 GMT and ending at
03 May 1999 06:08:03 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" email address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 1999 Greg Bacon.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Totals
======
Posters: 239 (47.5% of all posters)
Articles: 370 (22.6% of all articles)
Volume generated: 728.1 kb (24.6% of total volume)
- headers: 274.6 kb (5,506 lines)
- bodies: 444.9 kb (12,836 lines)
- original: 371.1 kb (10,764 lines)
- signatures: 8.2 kb (174 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.834
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 1.5
median: 1 post
mode: 1 post - 182 posters
s: 1.7 posts
Message size: 2015.1 bytes
- header: 760.1 bytes (14.9 lines)
- body: 1231.2 bytes (34.7 lines)
- original: 1027.0 bytes (29.1 lines)
- signature: 22.8 bytes (0.5 lines)
Top 10 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
18 21.7 ( 14.7/ 6.9/ 3.8) "Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton" <nospam.newton@gmx.net>
11 18.6 ( 10.1/ 8.5/ 3.9) "Stephen Warren" <swarren@slip.net>
9 15.6 ( 7.2/ 8.4/ 4.5) "Tim" <tim@timbury.com>
7 12.0 ( 5.5/ 4.2/ 2.1) webmaster@chatbase.com
6 9.0 ( 4.8/ 4.2/ 2.8) Brian Peisley <bdp@mutagenic.org>
5 10.5 ( 3.9/ 6.6/ 1.0) Huy Le <huymle@gis.net>
5 7.1 ( 3.5/ 2.4/ 1.2) "Craig R. Belcham" <crb@highpoint.co.uk>
5 5.3 ( 3.4/ 1.9/ 1.0) "Dave Kaufman" <davidk@nospam.cnct.com>
5 11.5 ( 5.1/ 4.7/ 4.6) abigail@delanet.com
4 4.6 ( 2.6/ 2.0/ 1.0) gh@fh-sw.de
These posters accounted for 4.6% of all articles.
Top 10 Posters by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
92.8 ( 0.9/ 91.9/ 91.9) 1 Gambler <you@you.com>
39.4 ( 1.3/ 38.2/ 36.2) 2 "Pizdobol" <pizdobol@hotmail.com>
21.7 ( 14.7/ 6.9/ 3.8) 18 "Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton" <nospam.newton@gmx.net>
18.6 ( 10.1/ 8.5/ 3.9) 11 "Stephen Warren" <swarren@slip.net>
15.6 ( 7.2/ 8.4/ 4.5) 9 "Tim" <tim@timbury.com>
12.0 ( 5.5/ 4.2/ 2.1) 7 webmaster@chatbase.com
11.9 ( 1.6/ 10.3/ 10.2) 2 scott <scott.wachtler@cdc.com>
11.5 ( 5.1/ 4.7/ 4.6) 5 abigail@delanet.com
11.4 ( 1.6/ 9.9/ 9.2) 2 "Ron Reidy" <rreidy@skyconnect.com>
10.5 ( 3.9/ 6.6/ 1.0) 5 Huy Le <huymle@gis.net>
These posters accounted for 8.3% of the total volume.
Top 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of three posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 0.5 / 0.5) 3 Ashim <"ashi mg"@qualcomm.com>
1.000 ( 3.2 / 3.2) 3 matte_8000@my-dejanews.com
1.000 ( 5.0 / 5.0) 4 Igor Berg Mogielnicki <iggepop@my-dejanews.com>
1.000 ( 0.7 / 0.7) 4 "Dennis" <dennis@rietvink.demon.nl>
0.996 ( 3.6 / 3.6) 4 Mitch <portboy@home.com>
0.988 ( 3.3 / 3.4) 3 esalmon@packet.net
0.978 ( 4.6 / 4.7) 5 abigail@delanet.com
0.931 ( 0.8 / 0.8) 3 "Mario Anthony Thomas" <mario@alamar.net>
0.913 ( 5.9 / 6.5) 3 swistow@my-dejanews.com
0.822 ( 1.1 / 1.3) 3 georgee1631@my-dejanews.com
Bottom 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of three posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.553 ( 3.8 / 6.9) 18 "Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton" <nospam.newton@gmx.net>
0.537 ( 4.5 / 8.4) 9 "Tim" <tim@timbury.com>
0.526 ( 1.0 / 1.9) 5 "Dave Kaufman" <davidk@nospam.cnct.com>
0.516 ( 1.2 / 2.3) 3 andrews@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Avery Andrews)
0.509 ( 1.2 / 2.4) 5 "Craig R. Belcham" <crb@highpoint.co.uk>
0.500 ( 2.1 / 4.2) 7 webmaster@chatbase.com
0.482 ( 1.0 / 2.0) 4 gh@fh-sw.de
0.462 ( 3.9 / 8.5) 11 "Stephen Warren" <swarren@slip.net>
0.409 ( 0.5 / 1.3) 3 "Ronald van der Lingen" <166959rl@student.eur.nl>
0.149 ( 1.0 / 6.6) 5 Huy Le <huymle@gis.net>
25 posters (10%) had at least three posts.
Top 10 Crossposters
===================
Articles Address
-------- -------
12 James Lee <leekk@cs.utexas.edu>
11 "afid.net" <a.carson@ndirect.co.ukNOSPAM>
5 "Joe Taylor" <qwizzer2@hotmail.com>
5 Ed <Ed@gec.nospam.com>
4 Gambler <you@you.com>
3 tony.mail@tesco.net
3 jabarone@my-dejanews.com
3 tedwood@my-dejanews.com
2 toma@cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
2 Steve Baker <steveb@web.co.nz>
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Date: 3 May 1999 12:47:50 GMT
From: klassa@aur.alcatel.com (John Klassa)
Subject: Re: Newsfeed and Local Weather
Message-Id: <7gk5tm$5sl$1@aurwww.aur.alcatel.com>
On 02 May 1999 00:01:51 -0400, Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com> wrote:
> reading it. caps do help in some ways but i think more white space in
> perl would help too (like before ; tom?). that is my opinion on a style
You want to put whitespace before semicolons, as in:
print "foo\n" ;
(rather than just: print "foo\n";)?
Yikes.
--
John Klassa / Alcatel USA / Raleigh, NC, USA
------------------------------
Date: 03 May 1999 10:39:30 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
Subject: Re: Newsfeed and Local Weather
Message-Id: <x7676a43q5.fsf@home.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "JK" == John Klassa <klassa@aur.alcatel.com> writes:
JK> On 02 May 1999 00:01:51 -0400, Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com> wrote:
>> reading it. caps do help in some ways but i think more white space in
>> perl would help too (like before ; tom?). that is my opinion on a style
JK> You want to put whitespace before semicolons, as in:
JK> print "foo\n" ;
JK> (rather than just: print "foo\n";)?
do you want to do:
print"foo\n";
i like white space in many places. some tokens visually stick out better
for me with it. some don't as i don't use it around -> or usually in
[]. most other places i use spaces. i have been using space before ; for
25 years since i first learned to program pl/i on punch cards. but at
least my indenting is acceptable to most folks as i use the one true
indenting style!
:-)
uri
--
Uri Guttman ----------------- SYStems ARCHitecture and Software Engineering
uri@sysarch.com --------------------------- Perl, Internet, UNIX Consulting
Have Perl, Will Travel ----------------------------- http://www.sysarch.com
The Best Search Engine on the Net ------------- http://www.northernlight.com
------------------------------
Date: 03 May 1999 10:43:05 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
Subject: Re: Newsfeed and Local Weather
Message-Id: <x73e1e43k6.fsf@home.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "RA" == Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
RA> Kai Henningsen <kaih=7G5oWCd1w-B@khms.westfalen.de> writes:
>> rra@stanford.edu (Russ Allbery) writes:
>>> I don't think TIMTOWTDI is just a theoretical concept to Larry.
>> But 19$Year is *not* a way to do it.
>> In fact, it never was.
RA> Wasn't that in the man page, not the script?
both, in a way!
here is the excerpt:
<QUOTE>
print OUT <<EOF;
###############################################################
# These next few lines are legal in both Perl and nroff.
$null.00; # finish .ig
'di \\" finish diversion--previous line must be blank
.nr nl 0-1 \\" fake up transition to first page again
.nr % 0 \\" start at page 1
'; __END__ ##### From here on it's a standard manual page #####
.TH $PROG 1 "$month $mday, 19$year"
.AT 3
.SH NAME
</QUOTE>
so larry was generating an embedded nroff man page with a y2k broken
date.
:-(
uri
--
Uri Guttman ----------------- SYStems ARCHitecture and Software Engineering
uri@sysarch.com --------------------------- Perl, Internet, UNIX Consulting
Have Perl, Will Travel ----------------------------- http://www.sysarch.com
The Best Search Engine on the Net ------------- http://www.northernlight.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:39:54 GMT
From: Aaron Shilts <ashilt01@sprintspectrum.com>
Subject: Re: Out of memory
Message-Id: <7gkcfp$mp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
If it's running on a Unix machine, the 'top' command will give that
information. It will give memory and CPU utilization for each process that's
running, so your script will show up. You can do some troubleshooting by
eliminating certain sub's or loops and watching the 'top' output.
-----
Aaron Shilts
Sprint
ashilt01@sprintspectrum.com
-----
> I am having a problem with a perl script that keeps running out of
> memory. I can not figure out what is causing the memory to grow. I
> have checked/limited most of the steps that (i thought) would force an
> increase in memory, but no luck. Is there any way to print out how much
> memory a script or variable is using? Either in the script itself of in
> the debbuger? Thanks for any help
>
> Tony
> tbailey5@mail.ford.com
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:39:46 -0400
From: linberg@literacy.upenn.edu (Steve Linberg)
Subject: Re: Perl in the workplace
Message-Id: <linberg-0305991039460001@ltl1.literacy.upenn.edu>
In article <7gk54k$q9a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, sstarre@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Do others find this kind of resistance to Perl at work? If so, were you able
> to make a case to management to at least allow it as a "2nd language"? Have
> you had to "go underground" to get your job done?
When I started my current job, it was an NT-vb house. It is now a
Linux/Perl/Apache house. I had to convince a lot of people, and succeeded
by continuing to list all of the things that were wrong with the old
setup, and all of the ways things that were currently impossible would be
simple under Linux and Perl.
I personally would never work anywhere where MIS twits were telling me I
"had" to use vb, and Perl was forbidden, simply because that's such an
absurdly blockheaded thing to say that I'd never feel confident that I
could get meaningful work done. I don't want to waste my time on this
planet grappling with stupid, small-minded obstacles that impede my
learning, growth, and productivity. (Unless it was a short-term deal with
titanic cash rewards, maybe. :)
--
Steve Linberg, Systems Programmer &c.
National Center on Adult Literacy, University of Pennsylvania
email: <linberg@literacy.upenn.edu>
WWW: <http://www.literacyonline.org>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:56:31 -0400
From: Jay Flaherty <fty@utk.edu>
Subject: Re: simple CGI program
Message-Id: <372D9CFF.D7964BB3@utk.edu>
Yuriy Tenenbaum wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a simple CGI program they can share. Something like a
> simple searching engine of your database through the internet.
Here's one using DBI/DBD::mysql from the DBD::mysql manpage:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
use DBI;
my $driver = "mysql";
my $dsn = "DBI:$driver:database=$database;$options";
my $dbh = DBI->connect($dsn, $user, $password);
$sth = $dbh->prepare("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bla");
if (!$sth) {
die "Error:" . $dbh->errstr . "\n";
}
if (!$sth->execute) {
die "Error:" . $sth->errstr . "\n";
}
my $names = $sth->{'NAME'};
my $numFields = $sth->{'NUM_OF_FIELDS'};
for (my $i = 0; $i < $numFields; $i++) {
printf("%s%s", $$names[$i], $i ? "," : "");
}
print "\n";
while (my $ref = $sth->fetchrow_arrayref) {
for (my $i = 0; $i < $numFields; $i++) {
printf("%s%s", $$ref[$i], $i ? "," : "");
}
print "\n";
}
$sth->finish;
$dbh->disconnect;
exit;
__END__
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:12:03 GMT
From: brian@helka.mutagenic.org (Brian Peisley)
Subject: Re: sorting data in perl
Message-Id: <slrn7ir889.ef.brian@helka.mutagenic.org>
[a complementary copy has been sent to cyberunity@my-dejanews.com]
In comp.lang.perl.misc cyberunity@my-dejanews.com writes:
>If I have an array as follow:
>
>A1 200
>BC 305
>EF 100
>DE 210
>
>and I would like to sort this array so that the output should be like:
>
>EF 100
>A1 200
>DE 210
>BC 305
I suspect that you have a hash rather than an array. If not, you probably
should.
You can find details on how to sort a hash by values in the perlfaq4 man page.
HTH,
--
Brian Peisley
bdp@mutagenic.org
------------------------------
Date: 3 May 1999 14:18:03 GMT
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <7gkb6r$a1$1@info2.uah.edu>
Following is a summary of articles spanning a 7 day period,
beginning at 26 Apr 1999 14:09:41 GMT and ending at
03 May 1999 06:08:03 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" email address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 1999 Greg Bacon.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Excluded Posters
================
perlfaq-suggestions\@(?:.*\.)?perl\.com
Totals
======
Posters: 503
Articles: 1636 (660 with cutlined signatures)
Threads: 468
Volume generated: 2963.1 kb
- headers: 1216.8 kb (24,382 lines)
- bodies: 1634.2 kb (51,003 lines)
- original: 1152.4 kb (38,039 lines)
- signatures: 110.5 kb (2,306 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.705
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 3.3
median: 1 post
mode: 1 post - 310 posters
s: 9.1 posts
Posts per thread: 3.5
median: 2.0 posts
mode: 1 post - 140 threads
s: 4.7 posts
Message size: 1854.6 bytes
- header: 761.6 bytes (14.9 lines)
- body: 1022.9 bytes (31.2 lines)
- original: 721.3 bytes (23.3 lines)
- signature: 69.2 bytes (1.4 lines)
Top 10 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
87 143.0 ( 66.5/ 63.5/ 33.3) Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
86 150.6 ( 50.1/100.3/ 61.5) tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
85 179.6 ( 70.6/ 91.5/ 51.7) David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
83 140.7 ( 54.0/ 77.7/ 46.7) lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
63 190.4 ( 51.7/131.5/120.2) tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen)
47 66.8 ( 39.1/ 27.7/ 14.8) bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
35 74.5 ( 29.3/ 34.5/ 18.4) Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
31 55.9 ( 23.9/ 24.9/ 13.9) rjk@linguist.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
29 44.5 ( 22.6/ 16.7/ 14.1) abigail@fnx.com
25 36.8 ( 14.3/ 22.6/ 12.2) Eric Bohlman <ebohlman@netcom.com>
These posters accounted for 34.9% of all articles.
Top 10 Posters by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
190.4 ( 51.7/131.5/120.2) 63 tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen)
179.6 ( 70.6/ 91.5/ 51.7) 85 David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
150.6 ( 50.1/100.3/ 61.5) 86 tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
143.0 ( 66.5/ 63.5/ 33.3) 87 Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
140.7 ( 54.0/ 77.7/ 46.7) 83 lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
92.8 ( 0.9/ 91.9/ 91.9) 1 Gambler <you@you.com>
74.5 ( 29.3/ 34.5/ 18.4) 35 Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
66.8 ( 39.1/ 27.7/ 14.8) 47 bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
55.9 ( 23.9/ 24.9/ 13.9) 31 rjk@linguist.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
55.1 ( 19.6/ 32.9/ 17.8) 24 sholden@cs.usyd.edu.au
These posters accounted for 38.8% of the total volume.
Top 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 1.2 / 1.2) 5 cindycrawford@my-dejanews.com
0.978 ( 4.6 / 4.7) 5 abigail@delanet.com
0.975 ( 5.5 / 5.7) 5 andrew-johnson@home.com
0.925 ( 7.2 / 7.8) 10 fl_aggie@thepentagon.com
0.914 (120.2 /131.5) 63 tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen)
0.857 ( 16.4 / 19.1) 9 John Callender <jbc@shell2.la.best.com>
0.842 ( 14.1 / 16.7) 29 abigail@fnx.com
0.804 ( 5.7 / 7.1) 7 Ronny <ronald_f@my-dejanews.com>
0.773 ( 8.3 / 10.7) 5 sb@engelschall.com (Steffen Beyer)
0.769 ( 5.0 / 6.5) 5 "Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@mail.cern.ch>
Bottom 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.472 ( 5.6 / 11.8) 15 Jerome O'Neil <jeromeo@atrieva.com>
0.462 ( 3.9 / 8.5) 11 "Stephen Warren" <swarren@slip.net>
0.460 ( 5.0 / 10.8) 14 ada@fc.hp.com (Andrew Allen)
0.432 ( 4.6 / 10.7) 8 Bob Walton <walton@frontiernet.net>
0.431 ( 3.7 / 8.5) 8 efflandt@xnet.com
0.412 ( 2.6 / 6.4) 6 Ed Bogart <e.h.bogart@larc.nasa.gov>
0.382 ( 0.9 / 2.4) 6 Mike Coffin <mhc@Eng.Sun.COM>
0.336 ( 1.7 / 4.9) 6 "Wyzelli" <wyzelli@yahoo.com>
0.287 ( 0.7 / 2.6) 5 "darkstar" <eichner@gmx.de>
0.149 ( 1.0 / 6.6) 5 Huy Le <huymle@gis.net>
55 posters (10%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Threads by Number of Posts
=================================
Posts Subject
----- -------
51 "learning perl" does not seem to be written well
26 PERL & Y2K
24 what's wrong with $x = $y or ""
22 autoincrement magic a..z
22 stupid single quote " wipes out REST OF TEXT
21 Newsfeed and Local Weather
19 using perl to manage passwords?
19 What does this error message mean?
19 Is this the best way to get a substring?
13 unos problemitas
These threads accounted for 14.4% of all articles.
Top 10 Threads by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Subject
-------------------------- ----- -------
101.8 ( 43.1/ 54.8/ 32.6) 51 "learning perl" does not seem to be written well
92.8 ( 0.9/ 91.9/ 91.9) 1 Free US$5 for your gambling
54.6 ( 16.8/ 36.5/ 21.9) 22 stupid single quote " wipes out REST OF TEXT
53.6 ( 17.1/ 33.5/ 26.6) 21 Newsfeed and Local Weather
48.4 ( 5.2/ 42.7/ 39.1) 7 Help! - Trouble with CGI script written in Perl.
44.3 ( 20.5/ 21.4/ 12.3) 26 PERL & Y2K
40.7 ( 14.4/ 25.9/ 15.3) 19 using perl to manage passwords?
40.0 ( 15.6/ 20.6/ 12.1) 19 Is this the best way to get a substring?
37.4 ( 16.5/ 16.9/ 9.9) 22 autoincrement magic a..z
36.2 ( 0.8/ 35.3/ 35.3) 1 FMTEYEWTK about open() but were afraid to ask
These threads accounted for 18.6% of the total volume.
Top 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.949 ( 18.9/ 20.0) 6 Debug - Single step ?
0.915 ( 39.1/ 42.7) 7 Help! - Trouble with CGI script written in Perl.
0.874 ( 2.3/ 2.7) 5 On the fly conversion
0.865 ( 6.4/ 7.4) 6 Question : Maybe I missed something about arrays, how do i clean up my code to get rid of those warningmessages?
0.833 ( 12.2/ 14.7) 8 Learning Perl for the first time
0.825 ( 1.8/ 2.1) 5 Delete line
0.821 ( 1.4/ 1.8) 5 writing binary file
0.794 ( 26.6/ 33.5) 21 Newsfeed and Local Weather
0.793 ( 2.3/ 2.8) 6 Sorting numbers
0.790 ( 2.2/ 2.8) 6 Need help on "hex($1)"
Bottom 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.470 ( 7.4 / 15.8) 6 Counting files in a dir.
0.463 ( 2.2 / 4.7) 6 Won't write to file in the middle of CGI script
0.462 ( 1.2 / 2.6) 6 Regexp help needed
0.423 ( 2.1 / 5.0) 5 $value =~ s/%([a-fA-F0-9][a-fA-F0-9])/pack("C",hex($1))/eg;
0.421 ( 2.1 / 5.0) 7 simple problem
0.408 ( 1.8 / 4.5) 10 Multiline comments in perl
0.407 ( 2.1 / 5.2) 9 Possible to modify gif/jpeg images with Perl??
0.399 ( 0.7 / 1.7) 5 Question: Opening and closing files.
0.376 ( 4.0 / 10.5) 9 newbie: Replace \n with <br>\n
0.343 ( 3.8 / 11.1) 11 perldoc HELP, Was How to use Net::FTP in perl??
110 threads (23%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Targets for Crossposts
=============================
Articles Newsgroup
-------- ---------
17 comp.lang.perl.modules
11 comp.lang.perl
6 comp.lang.java.programmer
4 comp.lang.c++
4 comp.lang.c
4 comp.cad.cadence
4 de.comp.lang.perl
3 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
2 comp.os.linux.help
2 alt.perl
Top 10 Crossposters
===================
Articles Address
-------- -------
12 James Lee <leekk@cs.utexas.edu>
11 "afid.net" <a.carson@ndirect.co.ukNOSPAM>
5 Ed <Ed@gec.nospam.com>
5 "Joe Taylor" <qwizzer2@hotmail.com>
4 Gambler <you@you.com>
4 sb@engelschall.com (Steffen Beyer)
3 tony.mail@tesco.net
3 Tom Phoenix <rootbeer&pfaq*finding*@redcat.com>
3 jabarone@my-dejanews.com
3 tedwood@my-dejanews.com
------------------------------
Date: 3 May 1999 08:28:13 -0700
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <372db27d@cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc,
Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu> writes:
:Top 10 Threads by Number of Posts
:=================================
:
:Posts Subject
:----- -------
:
: 51 "learning perl" does not seem to be written well
: 26 PERL & Y2K
Oh joy! Another thread killed (the "no lower case" junk rule).
--tom
--
"When doth life leave the weary? 'Tis not death I fear, but the end of living."
- Paul
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:39:48 -0400
From: <joeyandsherry@mindspring.com>
Subject: What's the difference between Perl and CGI?
Message-Id: <7gk990$hf$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>
I have been apparently posting to the wrong newsgroups,
What's the difference between Perl and CGI?
Thanks for the enlightment.
--
Joey Cutchins
President
Trading Post.Com, L.L.C.
http://internettradingpost.com
ceo@internettradingpost.com
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:33:58 -0400
From: linberg@literacy.upenn.edu (Steve Linberg)
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Perl and CGI?
Message-Id: <linberg-0305991033580001@ltl1.literacy.upenn.edu>
In article <7gk990$hf$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>,
<joeyandsherry@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I have been apparently posting to the wrong newsgroups,
>
> What's the difference between Perl and CGI?
Perl is a language.
CGI is a protocol.
Many languages can use the CGI protocol, and Perl is one of them.
--
Steve Linberg, Systems Programmer &c.
National Center on Adult Literacy, University of Pennsylvania
email: <linberg@literacy.upenn.edu>
WWW: <http://www.literacyonline.org>
------------------------------
Date: 03 May 1999 06:55:05 -0700
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Who is Just another Perl hacker?
Message-Id: <m1vheafebq.fsf@halfdome.holdit.com>
>>>>> "Michel" == Michel Dalle <michel.dalle@usa.net> writes:
Michel> In article <m1hfpvh2jq.fsf@halfdome.holdit.com>, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
Michel> [snip]
>> So, in answer to your question, feel free to declare yourself a JAPH,
>> but most of us around here agree that I'm JAPH # 0. :)
Michel> I'll agree with that as long as $[ is 0 :-)
$[? What's $[?
:-)
print +("Just another Perl hacker,")[0];
--
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