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Tue Apr 27 08:07:02 1999
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 05:00:19 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Tue, 27 Apr 1999 Volume: 8 Number: 5495
Today's topics:
Re: "learning perl" does not seem to be written well (Bob Trieger)
==> Starting subroutines in here documents <== <Andreas.Fischer@Sun.COM>
Re: Different between recurrence and looping tedwood@my-dejanews.com
Re: Extracting emails from array (Randal L. Schwartz)
FAQ not applicable (was: Eliminate elements from array lou@visca.com
GIF in web page <kar@webline.dk>
How to use #include with windowsNT perl ? <klaus.valett@desy.de>
Re: How to use #include with windowsNT perl ? <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: list of list <seugenio@man.amis.com>
lwp-request hangs... <ronald_f@my-dejanews.com>
Mail perl Modules <pep_mico@hp.com>
Re: Mail perl Modules <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Perl RegEx question (chris losinger)
searching perl documentation (Eric Smith)
Re: searching perl documentation <bdp@mutagenic.org>
Re: Split sizes instead of pattern? (David Cantrell)
stupid single quote " wipes out REST OF TEXT NOSPAMcrstlblu@planet.eon.net
Where do the spaces come from <jtdrefke@gte.net>
Re: Where do the spaces come from <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: Where do the spaces come from sstarre@my-dejanews.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:49:33 GMT
From: sowmaster@juicepigs.com (Bob Trieger)
Subject: Re: "learning perl" does not seem to be written well
Message-Id: <7g40mr$gtq$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
John Callender <jbc@shell2.la.best.com> wrote:
>Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
>
>> Page 13 is still in chapter 1. You are reading through the brief
>> runthrough of everything that appears in later chapters. It will be
>> explained much more thoroughly later.
>
>For what it's worth, I had exactly the same reaction to the Llama's
>quick run-through when I first picked up the (then magenta) book
>several years ago. I was in pretty much the same boat as this thread's
>original author, with no formal programming/Unix background to speak
>of, and I started to get panicky about halfway through the first
>chapter.
[ snipolito ]
>Or maybe the two of us were just incredible dweebs, and no one else has
>ever had that problem. *shrug*
Make that 3 of us. The only experience I had was COBOL on an IBM
mainframe. I was feeling pretty stupid by the time I finished the first
chapter. Boy was I relieve when I started chapter 2.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:32:04 +0200
From: Andreas Fischer <Andreas.Fischer@Sun.COM>
Subject: ==> Starting subroutines in here documents <==
Message-Id: <37258414.C50B736D@Sun.COM>
Hello,
I've got a little problem, how can I start subroutines in here
documents?
Example:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
sub lurch
{
$x="abcdefghijklmn";
@tmp=split(//,$x);
$y=join("\n",@tmp);
return($y);
}
print <<"BLA";
abcdefghijkl$z=do lurch
BLA
Thanks in advance
Andi
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:00:43 GMT
From: tedwood@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Different between recurrence and looping
Message-Id: <7g3ubr$9mq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article
<1E8902574FF4A57D.5A88244A47C24516.AD6BFC4F5BF02748@library-proxy.airnews.net
>, "Joe Taylor" <qwizzer2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Right. Don't bother with it. I mean, you can do a proof by reductio ad
> absurdum or by induction. Ergo, you don't need to bother with induction
> because you can achieve proof via reduction ad absurdum. You can also pound
> a screw into a wall with a hammer, therefore you don't need to learn about
> screwdrivers. I recommend studying only what you need to to get the job
> done, despite the elegance or possible efficiency of other techniques.
> That's what the difference between programmers and engineers is.....
Which one is the programmer's approach and which the engineer's?
Ted Wood
Sortex Ltd, Pudding Mill Lane London, E15 2PJ.
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 03:49:23 -0700
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Extracting emails from array
Message-Id: <m1676ipccs.fsf@halfdome.holdit.com>
>>>>> "Bart" == Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@skynet.be> writes:
Bart> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>> Do you dare exclude the CTO of a company that hasn't got a "nice clean
>> c-symbol@foo.bar.com" email address wanting to buy a bunch of your
>> stuff, but his email address is "pager:fred"@bob.big.com?
>> Just do it right. Remember that to the left of the "@" can be
>> ANYTHING and you won't go wrong. Stop being so narrow minded.
Bart> Well, "pager:fred@bob.big.com" IS an illegal e-mail address. True, left
Bart> of the "@" can be anything, but ONLY if quoted, either between "" or
Bart> immediately following \ . Otherwise, these are excluded:
Bart> [ ] ( ) < > \ , ; : @ " SPACE CONTROL
Right. That's why I quoted it in my example. Maybe I should have
been more explicit. There are practically no excluded chars
to the left of the @... if you look at C-symbol-chars, or that plus
a few others, you are WRONG.
print "Just another Perl hacker,"
--
Name: Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
Keywords: Perl training, UNIX[tm] consulting, video production, skiing, flying
Email: <merlyn@stonehenge.com> Snail: (Call) PGP-Key: (finger merlyn@teleport.com)
Web: <A HREF="http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/">My Home Page!</A>
Quote: "I'm telling you, if I could have five lines in my .sig, I would!" -- me
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:15:15 GMT
From: lou@visca.com
Subject: FAQ not applicable (was: Eliminate elements from array with second array?)
Message-Id: <7g3v71$aeo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
My thanks to all who answered, but as Andrew Allen points out, the FAQ isn't
applicable in my case. I should have explained at greater length that there
are 0 elements common to the 2 arrays, because File::Find returns an array
that would look something like this if written out:
@found = qw(/www/visca/index.html /www/visca/ballparkfrank.html
/www/visca/admin.html) # long etc.
...and my @skips was like this:
@skips = qw(cgi-bin messages oldstuff ppd test archives)
What I wanted was an efficient code to check each of the elements in @found
for any string in @skips, regular-expression-wise. So, for example, any and
all @found elements that contained the string '/oldstuff/'
(/www/visca/oldstuff/index.html, /www/visca/clueless/oldstuff/sitemap.cgi,
etc.) would be eliminated.
Andrew's code:
my $re=join("|",@skips);
@found=grep(!m{/($re)/}o,@found);
...was exactly what I was looking for:
Benchmark: timing 8192 iterations of Andrew, Lou...
Andrew: 0 secs ( 0.56 usr 0.00 sys = 0.56 cpu)
Lou: 8 secs ( 7.83 usr 0.00 sys = 7.83 cpu)
(BTW, Andrew, Lou is short for Louis).
--
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:11:08 +0200
From: Kaare Rasmussen <kar@webline.dk>
Subject: GIF in web page
Message-Id: <37257F2C.F9980CD7@webline.dk>
I have a problem that seemed small, but I can't seem to find the elegant
solution. Does it exist?
I want to make a GIF file and present it in a web page. Both are made
dynamically. So I imagine I have to create the GIF file with a temporary
name (eg. $$.gif or so) and make a <IMG SRC="$$.gif". But then I have to
run a cron job every so often to purge old files.
Does a more elegant solution exist, something that will automatically
purge the GIF file?
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:16:13 +0200
From: Klaus Valett <klaus.valett@desy.de>
Subject: How to use #include with windowsNT perl ?
Message-Id: <3725805D.4D382BBD@desy.de>
#include "h:/xyz/file.ini" does not work (like in the manual)
#include "h:\xyz\file.ini" does not work (Windows specific)
#include "h:\\xyz\\file.ini" does not work (my last idea)
how to ???
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 10:57:16 +0100
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: How to use #include with windowsNT perl ?
Message-Id: <372589fc@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>
Klaus Valett <klaus.valett@desy.de> wrote:
> #include "h:/xyz/file.ini" does not work (like in the manual)
> #include "h:\xyz\file.ini" does not work (Windows specific)
> #include "h:\\xyz\\file.ini" does not work (my last idea)
> how to ???
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to achieve here: you are trying to
use #include (which is a _C_ preprocessor directive) to do something
to some file .
You'd better explain what you want to do because I dont think this is
the way to do it whatever it is.
/J\
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:30:50 GMT
From: "Sheila Eugenio" <seugenio@man.amis.com>
Subject: Re: list of list
Message-Id: <01be9090$8b352980$2bbe10ac@amipnet>
let's say the actual returned values are (I have omitted 4 other cols):
DAY INS BOH
1 34668 637299
2 67290 620574
1 97331 575218
2 102327 564416
my $row_ref = $sth->fetchall_arrayref;
$sth->finish;
$maxcount = $sth->rows;
for ($i = 0; $i < $maxcount; $i++)
{
if ($row_ref->[$i][5] == 0)
{
$row_ref_dct = "0";
} else {
$row_ref_dct = (($row_ref->[$i][3]+
$row_ref->[$i][4])/2)/$row_ref->[$i][5]; ##compute CT
}
printf
"<tr><td>$row_ref->[$i][0]<td><td>$row_ref->[$i][1]<td><td>$row_ref->[$i][2]
<td><td>$row_ref->[$i][3]<td><td>$row_ref->[$i][4]<td><td>$row_ref->[$i][5]<
td><td>%4.2f<td></td></tr>\n", $row_ref_dct; ##It's OK up to this part
$ave_ins += $row_ref->[$i][2];
$rng_ins = $ave_ins/$row_ref->[$i][1];
I want to print the $ave_ins and $rng_ins values after every 2 rows.
Hope this is clear enough. Sorry if I did not include it. I just thought it
will confuse you more. Thanks anyway...
Sam Holden <sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au> wrote in article
<slrn7iam57.71d.sholden@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au>...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:34:11 GMT, Sheila Eugenio <seugenio@man.amis.com>
wrote:
> >I already have a script but my looping doesn't work the way I want it.
It
> >computed for the sum & avg of all 4 rows. I know there's an easier and
> >better way to do it. Thanks for all the help!
>
> Well post the code snippet and some one might be able to point out what
is
> wrong, rather than doing the whole thing from scratch themselves...
>
> I can't say what you;ve messed up since you haven't posted the code, and
I
> don't want to write all the code myself.
>
> --
> Sam
>
> There's no such thing as a simple cache bug.
> --Rob Pike
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:49:52 GMT
From: Ronny <ronald_f@my-dejanews.com>
Subject: lwp-request hangs...
Message-Id: <7g4180$bum$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Who can give me some hints of what goes wrong here?
I have installed libwww and successfully did a 'gmake test'. Now I would like
to use lwp-request to fetch a file.
This works fine for local files, i.e.
lwp-request -m GET ~/myfile
and for documents on our LAN, i.e.
lwp-request -m GET http://remote-machine/myfile
but it does not fetch documents on the Web. When I try, for instance, to get
my homepage,
lwp-request -m GET -t 20
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ronald_fischer/
lwp-request hangs, although Netscape finds the page in a couple of seconds.
When I specify a timeout, say: "-t 20", the command still hangs (only giving
to warnings first,
Use of uninitialized value at /home/frx23368/bin/lwp-request line 324.
Use of uninitialized value at /home/frx23368/bin/lwp-request line 325.
Any idea of what is going on?
Ronald
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:43:53 +0200
From: Pep Mico <pep_mico@hp.com>
Subject: Mail perl Modules
Message-Id: <372594E9.81B39579@hp.com>
Hello,
>From where can I get a Perl module that allows me manipulate Mail
Folders?
I need some IMAP module form my Activestate Perl (WIN32).
Thanks in advance.
pep_mico@hp.com
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 11:54:15 +0100
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Mail perl Modules
Message-Id: <37259757@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>
Pep Mico <pep_mico@hp.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> From where can I get a Perl module that allows me manipulate Mail
> Folders?
> I need some IMAP module form my Activestate Perl (WIN32).
>
A quick search at www.cpan.org will throw up:
AuthenIMAP.pm.gz 1.7 1998-06-02 authors/id/MICB
IMAP-Admin-0.8.2.tar.gz 5.3 1999-03-18 authors/id/E/EE/EESTABROO
IMAPGet-0.1.tar.gz 3.3 1998-11-18 authors/id/U/UG/UGEN
Though there doesnt appear to be any packaged for PPM at the Activestate
site.
/J\
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:31:33 GMT
From: my_addr_is-chrisdl@pagesz.net (chris losinger)
Subject: Perl RegEx question
Message-Id: <37259ec8.159720493@news.pagesz.net>
i have a script set up to parse incoming email messages. the
incoming messages all share a spcific format, so i just pick fields
out of the message using a regex.
one of the lines in the incoming messages looks like :
Name : here is some good stuff
my script needs to get everything after the ":".
currently, this works for most messages :
if ( m/^Name\s*: (.+)$/ )
{
($name) = ($1);
}
but, what i've found is that sometimes the messages come in with
0x0a/0x0d pairs (DOS CR/LF) at the end of the lines, instead of just
0x0a. this causes my little regex to fail and set $name to blank.
so, my question is, how can i handle these situations ?
-c
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 10:02:48 GMT
From: eric@fruitcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: searching perl documentation
Message-Id: <slrn7ib2q7.2k8.eric@plum.fruitcom.com>
To avoid getting picked on for not finding something in the FAQ or docs
before posTing, I figured there must be a simple way to do keyword
searching through the perl documentation on my system. The best I could
come up with was the rather awkward:
what () { man /usr/man/man1/perl*|grep -i $1 } #Mapped to a bash function
This is inflexible, silly and does not give the name of the file where
matched because `-H' reports stdinput of course.
What's better?
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Tel. 021 236 111
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:31:01 -0600
From: Brian Peisley <bdp@mutagenic.org>
Subject: Re: searching perl documentation
Message-Id: <372591E5.CF9B9858@mutagenic.org>
Eric Smith wrote:
>
> To avoid getting picked on for not finding something in the FAQ or docs
> before posTing, I figured there must be a simple way to do keyword
> searching through the perl documentation on my system. The best I could
> come up with was the rather awkward:
> what () { man /usr/man/man1/perl*|grep -i $1 } #Mapped to a bash function
>
> This is inflexible, silly and does not give the name of the file where
> matched because `-H' reports stdinput of course.
>
> What's better?
Try using perldoc instead it can do exactly what you're looking for and
much more. If you haven't used it before, just type this at the command
line:
perldoc perldoc
This will give you a brief description of what perldoc is and how to use
it.
Hope this helps you out.
Brian Peisley
bdp@mutagenic.org
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:18:04 GMT
From: NukeEmUp@ThePentagon.com (David Cantrell)
Subject: Re: Split sizes instead of pattern?
Message-Id: <37267fd3.75751344@news.insnet.net>
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:01:11 -0400, Ala Qumsieh <aqumsieh@matrox.com>
enlightened us thusly:
>
>NukeEmUp@ThePentagon.com (David Cantrell) writes:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:49:57 +0200, Mats Pettersson
>> <mats.pettersson@falukuriren.se> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >1999-01 6 4 2 1 7 5 3
>>
>> split// and other regex-ish operations are not always the best
>> approach.
>>
>> eg ...
>>
>> [snip substr solution]
>
>substr() is better than a split() or a regexp solution, but reading the
>FAQs is best by far. From perlfaq5:
>
> How can I manipulate fixed-record-length files?
Indeed, but seeing that it says
" The most efficient way is using pack() and unpack(). This is
faster than using substr() when taking many, many strings. It is
slower for just a few. "
and that we _were_ dealing with just a few fields in the particular
example given by Mats, substr is better.
In addition, as Mats asked
" Is there some sort of '@fields=split_size /7,4,4,4.../' command "
it is reasonable to assume he is something of a newbie and would find
a substr solution more readable.
[Copying newsgroup posts to me by mail is considered rude]
--
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full-time chef/musician/homebrewer
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:08:15 GMT
From: NOSPAMcrstlblu@planet.eon.net
Subject: stupid single quote " wipes out REST OF TEXT
Message-Id: <371ab702.2789788@news.planet.eon.net>
I've got this mysterious problem with a crummy " quotation mark,
in my flatfile dbm database, I have several lines of text which have a crummy
quotation mark in them (5'10") to be exact,... the 5'10" appears right smack in
the middle of the text,....
when I OPEN the dbm, extract, and display the text in THE FIRST SCRIPT, no prob,
it gets displayed in its' entirety,....
when i pass the value into a hidden formfield and forward to the next
script,???? I LOSE EVERYTHING AFTER THE CRUDDY QUOTATION MARK...
yet, any other script (not containing the quotation mark) will get transfered
"&" displayed COMPLETELY into the next script no prob?
strange, I've tried various things with the (=~tr/"//;), (=~tr/\"//;) and so on
to no avail,... any suggestions?
the text in question goes something like this:
hair, 5'10", and so on
sorry to bother you
Wayne.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:09:52 GMT
From: "John T. Drefke" <jtdrefke@gte.net>
Subject: Where do the spaces come from
Message-Id: <P1gV2.3449$B55.276363@dfiatx1-snr1>
I know how to get my program to work but I also like
to understand what is really going on behind door number 1.
I have a file called a.dat which contains:
aa
aa
aa
Perl code:
open(f,"<a.dat");
@x=<f>;
print "@x";
Prints:
aa
aa
aa
@x=`cat a.dat`; #yes I'm using unix
print "@x";
also prints
aa
aa
aa
Where did the space in front of aa in lines 2 3 come from??
I know several ways around this like:
foreach $p (@x) {print "$p";}
or use a while loop to process the data comming in.
The more I know why the better I know how.
Is there a way to load a file into a variable without using a while??
Thanks
John....
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 11:43:13 +0100
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Where do the spaces come from
Message-Id: <372594c1@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>
John T. Drefke <jtdrefke@gte.net> wrote:
> I know how to get my program to work but I also like
> to understand what is really going on behind door number 1.
>
> I have a file called a.dat which contains:
> aa
> aa
> aa
>
> Perl code:
> open(f,"<a.dat");
Eek lower case filehandle name - you would have been warned about that if
you had used -w also you are not checking the success of the file open.
> @x=<f>;
> print "@x";
>
<snip>
>
> Where did the space in front of aa in lines 2 3 come from??
>
look at the perlvar manpage specifically the description of the $"
(yes dollar double quote) variable.
Alternatively lose the double quotes around the @x in the print statement;
/J\
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:27:49 GMT
From: sstarre@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Where do the spaces come from
Message-Id: <7g46vi$ghf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Hi John:
Perhaps it is something with your implementation, as I tried your example on
our unix system and I don't see any spaces:
(file x)
cat
fish
dog
mouse
open F,'<./x';
my @l=<F>;
foreach (@l) {print;}
running this file on x produces:
cat
fish
dog
mouse
Changing the print to print @l; also produces this same result. Sorry.. Are
you outputting to a browser which interprets EOL as space?
-S
In article <P1gV2.3449$B55.276363@dfiatx1-snr1>,
"John T. Drefke" <jtdrefke@gte.net> wrote:
> I know how to get my program to work but I also like
> to understand what is really going on behind door number 1.
>
> I have a file called a.dat which contains:
> aa
> aa
> aa
>
> Perl code:
> open(f,"<a.dat");
> @x=<f>;
> print "@x";
>
> Prints:
> aa
> aa
> aa
>
> @x=`cat a.dat`; #yes I'm using unix
> print "@x";
>
> also prints
> aa
> aa
> aa
>
> Where did the space in front of aa in lines 2 3 come from??
>
> I know several ways around this like:
> foreach $p (@x) {print "$p";}
> or use a while loop to process the data comming in.
>
> The more I know why the better I know how.
> Is there a way to load a file into a variable without using a while??
>
> Thanks
>
> John....
>
>
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