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Mon Apr 26 20:17:05 1999
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 99 17:01:31 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 26 Apr 1999 Volume: 8 Number: 5491
Today's topics:
Re: Net::FTP creates Empty file <tripix@tdi-net.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: New to Perl (Tad McClellan)
Not another Editor question?! Yes, but this one's diffe (David Salvador Flores)
Re: one script calling another <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Perl 5.005_03 & Threads: variable scope <nospam@shano.com>
Re: Perl and Oracle.. <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: perl binary for SCO-3 UNIX on i386 <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: Perl Editors On Win32 <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Perl newbie, please don't send me to ascii purgatory <jlovette@ic.sunysb.edu>
Re: Q: regarding "[warn] {client} handler 'cgiwrapper' <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Re: Q: regarding "[warn] {client} handler 'cgiwrapper' (Tad McClellan)
Re: Recompile perl dist w/ O/S upgrade? <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Re: Simple Question (Tad McClellan)
Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc (I R A Aggie)
Re: Very long strings <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
where do I look for a free lance script writers? <Jason_nynyNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:59:34 +0100
From: "Wayne Keenan" <tripix@tdi-net.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Net::FTP creates Empty file
Message-Id: <7g2o3s$5nb$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>
I R A Aggie wrote in message ...
>On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:40:24 +0100, Wayne Keenan
><tripix@tdi-net.freeserve.co.uk>, in <7fvkfb$vss$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> wrote:
>
>+ Arrrg Im going sightly mad!
>
I going even more bonkers now, I ve just tried using the script from within my Linux
box at home instead, of windowze, and guess what, yep, correct filename , 0 size!!
flibberrryygibberrygooglybooglyblert
enYaw
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:00:47 -0400
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: New to Perl
Message-Id: <fk92g7.u04.ln@magna.metronet.com>
David Dadzie (ded@globalnet.co.uk) wrote:
: I
: have a comma delimited file with 12 lines & 18 fields per line.
: "UK", 1.23, 2.75, 2.50, ......, 6.56
: I read the file into an array:
: @transform = <MYFILE>;
: I can access each line with:
: $Temp = @transform[0];
^
^ you should enable warnings on *all* of your
Perl programs.
Really.
All of them!
: but I can't get to the individual fields eg: "UK" or 1.23, etc.
: I'm sure this is a 'no-brainer', however, I'm stumped.
@parts = split /,\s*/, $transform[0];
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 21:57:03 GMT
From: dsf3g@node1.unix.Virginia.EDU (David Salvador Flores)
Subject: Not another Editor question?! Yes, but this one's different... sorta.
Message-Id: <7g2nff$j3e$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Hello folks.
Like everyone else who posts asking about your favorite editor, I'm pretty
new to perl. However, I'm not going to bore you asking what editor I
should use. I'm pretty sure I just want to use EMACS for writing
perl code.
My question is this: Is there a simple tutorial, real handholding kinda
stuff that shows you how to implement and use perl mode in emacs?
Something like "Using Emacs to Code Perl for Dummies."
I'm far from a UNIX wiz, and have been using Jove for several
years for my very simple text processing needs (Mail, Newsgroups
etc.) I know, maybe a half dozen commands that have gotten me
by ok up to now, but of course, my perl code looks really nasty.
Thanks, Dave
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 22:07:05 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: one script calling another
Message-Id: <7g2o29$4rf$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:45:17 GMT David Cooper wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I have several perl scripts that use the same functions. Lets say these
> functions are in login.pl and the script addevent.pl uses the same
> functions but is on a different server, how do i get the addevent.pl to
> call login.pl?
>
You will need to network mount the partition on the 'different' server
somehow and then use 'require' as described in the documentation.
/J\
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:54:28 -0400
From: "Weslee" <nospam@shano.com>
Subject: Perl 5.005_03 & Threads: variable scope
Message-Id: <7g2rmv$1mu3@news.icubed.com>
I've noticed a few interesting things about threads.
Bugs?
For a clearer defenition, I refer to the main program thread as the the one
perl creates at startup, same as a single-threaded program.
When the program starts I declare a few global variables using 'my' right
after the #!/usr/blah/blah line. Which under normal conditions, are global.
Each thread can read them, lock them, ect. And all subroutines see them.
This is where it gets interesting. I started three threads when the program
starts. They all use a few of the global variables. I also define a few
Thread::Queue's and a Semephore or two. (spelling is off).
The main thread stays active for a while, eventually however it does end,
and leaves the other threads running. About that time the other threads
started flipping out.
I traced it back to scope. Apperantly, when the main thread ends, all global
variables are 'undefined'.
I'm curious if this is a bug, or what? And if the main variables go out of
scope, what happens if you lock variables and the locked variable is no
longer in scope?
If anyones curious, I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE. I have 3.1-STABLE,
but haven't yet tested the code in question on it (I have other threaded
appications running on it just fine, however the main thread never ends).
I've noticed a few other things, but I haven't fully tested them yet. And I
think they mainly have to do with blocking and user threads.
If this is the wrong place to post this, someone let me know the correct
place? :)
Weslee
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 22:14:53 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Perl and Oracle..
Message-Id: <7g2ogt$4ri$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:25:22 GMT pdean@pcmars.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:
> Hi...
>
> I'm trying to write a CGI script which has to access the Database that is
> running on the different machine.I'm using DBD-Oracle to connect to the
> database do i have to set up any ENV variable or do i have to meddle with any
> tnsnames.ora file.If so pls let me what i have to do ....Any help is
> requested.
>
That is really a question about the configuration of the client software
and probably in the Oracle documentation. I've never been big on Oracle
Admin but I think that you do have to add something to tnsnames.ora and
possibly set an environment variable in order that the software knows
which server to use.
You'll probably get a better class of response in comp.database.oracle ..
/J\
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 22:00:37 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: perl binary for SCO-3 UNIX on i386
Message-Id: <7g2nm5$4rb$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:44:00 +0200 Gerd huessner wrote:
> Jonathan Stowe schrieb:
>> Gerd huessner <gh@fh-sw.de> wrote:
>> > Does anyone know where I could get a binary version of perl 5.00x for
>> > SCO-Unix V3
>> >
>>
>> <http://www.sco.com/skunkware/html/web/interp.html>
>>
> Thanks for your answer.
> I've already found this pages but there are only binaries for UnixWare and
> OpenServer distributions.
> What I need is a binary for an old SCO-Unix Version 3.x.
>
> Do you know an other source?
>
One of my servers at work is of this vintage as well but I have the
advantage of a C compiler ;-P You could probably try one of the older
binaries from the skunkware site as long as they are not compiled for ELF.
Alternatively you could poke around in the /ports directory at CPAN.
Unfortunately you are going to find that you will not be able to install
any modules that have compiled XS components - infact even on more recent
offerings from SCO Perl will compile without dynamic loading (I have tried
to patch the hints file to fix that but just ended up hacking at Config.sh).
You might consider getting hold of a binary for gcc (and its attendant
utilities ) and compiling Perl yourself - I havent looked so I cant tell
you were to find it unfortunately.
/J\
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:31:37 -0700
From: David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: Perl Editors On Win32
Message-Id: <3724F759.12E3986E@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Ian Taite wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a free full screen editor running under Windows NT
> that's Perl aware? i.e. colour codes the program source
> Ian.
Go to http://www.perl.com and drill down to the editors page. There
are some good choices listed there. Everything from Emacs and vi
versions, to PFE etc. Pick one you like.. or else pick the one you
hate the least. :-)
HTH,
David
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:33:34 -0400
From: James Lovette <jlovette@ic.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Perl newbie, please don't send me to ascii purgatory
Message-Id: <3724F7CE.4FC5@ic.sunysb.edu>
i just started programming in Perl (specifically for CGI on a SunOS 5.6
UNIX system) and am still trying to figure my way through it. I looked
through the newsgroup for information first, but unfortunately only saw
allusions to the FAQ without a posted URL.
My question this time is simple:
I am writing a script that searches through a database of alumni from
my high school. The search engine can be found at
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/stu/jlovette/cgi-bin/rckbook.htm, and the
source code can be found at
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/stu/jlovette/cgi-bin/rck03.pl, although my
server (at SUNY Stony Brook on Long Island, NY) uses cgiwrap to run
scripts.
I am getting tired of having to continually download, manually adjust,
then re-upload corrections to the main data file anytime somebody enters
data incorrectly. Is there a way I can replace only one line in the
database. I don't want to append, I just want to change that one part.
Thank you for your time. I also want to say I think it is great that the
others of the Camel book follow and respond to this newsgroup, that is
such an invaluable reward. I own _Programming Perl_ and _Advanced Perl
Programming_ but unfortunately didn't have enough room to bring them
(they don't give college students a lot of room in dorms these days).
Thanks - James L
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:25:59 -0700
From: David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: Q: regarding "[warn] {client} handler 'cgiwrapper' not found for {script}"
Message-Id: <3724F607.6EF50A52@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Louis B. wrote:
>
> I have several different scripts running on a hosted server. Been running
> them without problems until one day (April 19) I started getting the message
> "[warn] {client} handler 'cgiwrapper' not found for {script}" in my error
Umm, did you bother to check the perldiag manpage [using man or perldoc
or the html docs] to see if this is a Perl error message?
Translation: it isn't an error message from Perl.
Do you think it's possible that the upgraded some other things too,
when they were upgrading Perl?
Maybe they misplaced the cgiwrapper program. But who knows [from
way over here, anyway]. But it is quite likely that this is not a
Perl problem at all. Which, of course, will not endear you to the
readers of this newsgroup, many of whom don't do web programming.
Have you tried asking in one of the CGI newsgroups? Or one specific
to your webhost's server?
> [snip]
> The only thing I could get out of my host is that they upgraded to Perl
> 5.04.3 sometime last week.
They what!?!? The current stable version of Perl is 5.005_03.
Are you telling me that they upgraded to an out-of-date version?
That doesn't sound like a very reliable webhost in the making.
> [more stuff snipped]
> TIA and sorry for the running on about it.
I think you need to try elsewhere to nail this problem down.
David
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:55:24 -0400
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: Q: regarding "[warn] {client} handler 'cgiwrapper' not found for {script}"
Message-Id: <ca92g7.u04.ln@magna.metronet.com>
Louis B. (mr001@4acura.com) wrote:
: I have several different scripts running on a hosted server. Been running
: them without problems until one day (April 19) I started getting the message
: "[warn] {client} handler 'cgiwrapper' not found for {script}" in my error
: log.
That message did not come from Perl, so this is probably
not the correct newsgroup for your question.
: Called my host hoping to resolve this but they pretty much just
: brushed it off saying that it's only a warning and not to worry about it.
: When/if we fix it, we fix it.
: Well that's not good enough for me.
So you are then going to vote with your wallet and take your
business to an ISP that gives more than lip service to the
"S" in their name, right?
If you let yourself be pushed around, then you will be
pushed around.
Hosting is a pretty cut-throat market. If they won't satisfy
you, then go to someone else.
: I frequently look to the file size of
: my error log to tell me whether or not there's a problem then download the
: log and examine it. Now with all these warnings I don't know if there's an
: actual problem or just this damn warning, so anytime I want to check I have
: to download and scan the log.
: The only thing I could get out of my host is that they upgraded to Perl
: 5.04.3 sometime last week.
Yet another indication that you have a "rake in the money before
folks catch on" type of ISP.
(what ISP is that?)
That is a pretty old version of perl...
: TIA and sorry for the running on about it.
Get a new ISP.
--
Tad McClellan SGML Consulting
tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 21:32:04 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Recompile perl dist w/ O/S upgrade?
Message-Id: <7g2m0k$4r5$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:44:29 GMT dirkse@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Is it necessary to recompile my Perl 5.003_0 distribution built w/
> the HP ANSI C compiler when upgrading HP-UX from 10.10 to 10.20?
>
You might want to upgrade to 5.005.03 while you're at it - the version
you have is not completely decomposed but there have been a lot of bug
fixes under the bridge since then.
You will want to recompile if there have been bug-fixes to your C libray
for instance or other changes that may mean 'configure' will allow you
to use previously unsupported features - however as I have no experience
of compiling Perl on this platform you'll have to figure that stuff out
yourself.
/J\
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:48:21 -0400
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: Simple Question
Message-Id: <5t82g7.u04.ln@magna.metronet.com>
John Moreno (planb@newsreaders.com) wrote:
: Jason Simms <ffchopin@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: > Shashank Tripathi <mkshanx@ust.hk> wrote in message
: > news:7g0ngo$620@ustsu10.ust.hk...
: > > Is there a way to scour through every file in a specified directory on my
: > > computer thru perl?
: >
: > Sure... Use the File::Find module that comes standard with Perl. Read the
: How about doing the same thing on a remote computer?
Sure.
But we (actually you) would need to know what protocols the
"remote computer" understands.
Got some particular protocol in mind?
--
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Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:03:09 -0700
From: David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <3724F0AD.1C397184@mail.cor.epa.gov>
John Callender wrote:
>
> [snip]
> The second thing I have to wonder is, is it a good thing or a bad thing
> for the larger Perl culture that someone of your stature posts
> responses like this, in which articles by (or, in this case, merely
> about) newbies are equated with crap. They may well *be* crap, most of
> them, and I'm certainly not questioning your right to flag them as
> such, or to muse out loud about the timeliness of helping others to do
> likewise.
I just want to step into this breach and point out that TomC does still
post here. That, in and of itself, is remarkable. And Randal. Does
Bjarne post in comp.lang.c++ ? Larry Himself posted in this ng at
least as recently as 1996 or 1997 [well, that's about the last time I
saved any of his wisdom in my perl newsgroup folders]. The number of
top-notch Perlites who used to post here and have been driven off is
depressing. I'm *glad* Tom et al. are still here.
But the constant driveling newbieness takes a terrible toll on
informed posters. Looking back through DejaNews [or just my own
collection of notes and snippets] reveals a shocking fact: TomC and
Abigail used to post polite, extensive answers to dumb questions.
Not always, but the evidence is there in ones and zeroes [no longer
`in black and white'].
> I suppose I'm not sure what I'm questioning, except that I identify
> with these newbies, and have a hard time processing it when I see you,
> in particular, whom I admire greatly for the part you've played in
> opening so many newbie eyes to the joys of Perl, reflexively putting us
> down.
Your identification is a good thing. This ng needs people who still
can see the user within the luser. I find myself slipping into
"Abigail mode" (:-) more often than I want. It's an occupational
hazard of a sort. Still, your postings can soften any blows from
the stricter teachers in this group. Give your advice too. Just
learn from my mistakes and check your code before you post. :-)
> It's not really *you*, so much, that I'm worried about; your net
> contribution to the newbie cause is always going to be a positive one,
> no matter how much of this stuff you engage in. It's more the people
> who try to imitate you, without necessarily having the balancing effect
> of whatever kinder impulse it is that leads you to devote so much of
> your time and talent to documenting things for others' benefit.
Oh, we're crabby enoguh that we don't have to *imitate* Tom. We have
surly personalities of our own, you know. :-)
BTW, great quote. One of the things I like about Perl is the way it
seems to draw linguists and musicians and eclectics. And eccentrics...
David
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 23:15:33 GMT
From: fl_aggie@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <slrn7i9t1h.b6l.fl_aggie@stat.fsu.edu>
On 26 Apr 1999 21:06:56 GMT, John Callender
<jbc@shell2.la.best.com>, in <3724d570$0$229@nntp1.ba.best.com> wrote:
+ I suppose I'm not sure what I'm questioning, except that I identify
+ with these newbies, and have a hard time processing it when I see you,
+ in particular, whom I admire greatly for the part you've played in
+ opening so many newbie eyes to the joys of Perl, reflexively putting us
+ down.
The term "newbie" has certain connotations that are negative. A lack
of imagination, if used in a subject line. A certain attitude of "I'll
use newbie so they'll go easy on me" or "I'll use newbie so someone
will feel sorry for me and give me what I want".
Let's tackle the subject line issue, since that's what's triggering this.
I believe what got TomC was "Top 25 Newbie mistakes". Rename that as
"Top learning perl errors". Kinda changes the tone of the thread, wouldn't
it?
So, my recommendations are:
1. A clear and consise (as you can) subject giving a brief idea of what
you're going to ask about.
2. A clear and consise statement of the goals, the approach and the
problem(s) encountered. If useful, include a small snippet of code
to illustrate the problem(s).
3. Before posting, look at the documentation. It's easier and faster to
look something up locally than to post and wait for replies. If you
don't understand the documentation, then say so. Not understanding the
documentation isn't a crime, but failing to do your homework is.
Personally, I skip most anything with "newbie" in the subject, even if
I don't have an entry in my killfile. Why? 'cause I have this mental
image of a juvenile bird, who's old enough to fly and feed itself, but
still reverts back to nestling "feed me feed me" behaviour when an older
bird is near. That's how I mentally picture a "newbie".
Call it "tough love", if you want...
James
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 22:21:32 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: Very long strings
Message-Id: <7g2otc$4rm$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:51:31 +0200 "Max Vilin" wrote:
> How would I go about to extract large text strings from a database and
> presenting them without having to trucate them?
>
I didnt know there was a limit to the length of string that can be printed.
Alternatively you might want to take a look at Text::Wrap which is a
standard module with recent Perl distributions.
Or indeed check out one of the recent threads on similar subjects on
DejaNews.
/J\
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:35:30 -0500
From: "Jason" <Jason_nynyNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
Subject: where do I look for a free lance script writers?
Message-Id: <7g2t4b$iof@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
Hello,
Excuse me if this is not the right place for this post:
Where do I look for free lancer cgi script writers for simple scripts from
time
to time. You know stuff I can't find from the ready made scripts off of the
web. Any help is appreciated.
--
Jason
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available by requesting "send perl-users mini-faq". It appears twice
weekly in the group, but is not distributed in the digest.
For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
answer them even if I did know the answer.
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