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Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 5488 Volume: 8
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Mon Apr 26 16:17:27 1999
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 99 13:00:18 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 26 Apr 1999 Volume: 8 Number: 5488
Today's topics:
Re: "learning perl" does not seem to be written well ralawrence@my-dejanews.com
Re: "learning perl" does not seem to be written well mikecard@my-dejanews.com
Re: $ENV...Explained <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Archive::Tar and volume labels <matthew@davin.ottawa.on.ca>
Re: Delete line (Greg Bacon)
Re: Delete line <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: FAQ 7.19: Why doesn't "my($foo) = E<lt>FILEE<gt>;" (John Stanley)
Re: Fork goddamit! Fork! (Randal L. Schwartz)
Re: Fork goddamit! Fork! scraig@my-dejanews.com
Re: Fork goddamit! Fork! <tedder@pacifier.com>
Re: Fork goddamit! Fork! (Bart Lateur)
Re: GIFgraph problems matt@matt.com
HELP , HELP PERL5 kamez@my-dejanews.com
Re: How do i print something using perl? <gregm@well.com>
How to access entire command line? georgee1631@my-dejanews.com
How to access entire command line? georgee1631@my-dejanews.com
Re: How to access entire command line? <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
How to statically link a perl extension on NT 4.0 using atul_singh@my-dejanews.com
Re: MacPerl to AS (well, vice versa) (Kevin Reid)
Re: one script calling another <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
perl installation <chiron@aquarel.fr>
Re: Pre-newbie needs help getting started <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
Re: returning a hashtable from a subformula (Kevin Reid)
Re: Split sizes instead of pattern? <aqumsieh@matrox.com>
Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc (Greg Bacon)
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:22:46 GMT
From: ralawrence@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: "learning perl" does not seem to be written well
Message-Id: <7g2ee1$uqp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article <0lk1g7.t73.ln@magna.metronet.com>,
tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan) wrote:
> ralawrence@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> : Here is how I see it (and I *am* a newbie so bear with me).
>
> But you don't have it quite right.
Thanks to all of you that pointed out how hopelessly wrong I was.
I've now made a total tit out of myself infront of 16 million odd people.
Oh well. Sorry folks.
Back to the book ...
Rich
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:40:39 GMT
From: mikecard@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: "learning perl" does not seem to be written well
Message-Id: <7g2ffm$vuh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
hi there
thanks for all your responses (i had no idea i would get such a response).
i feel much better knowing that the book will start explaining itself more
in later chapters and will continue to plow through this book with hopefully
better results.
by the way i wouldn't label myself as a non programmer (although i have never
used current languages i used pascal in college and when i was a wee lad i
played with basic...again, certainly not current languages but i do consider
myself to have some, however insignificant, programming experience).
thank you all
mike cardeiro
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Date: 25 Apr 1999 10:51:22 -0000
From: Jonathan Stowe <gellyfish@gellyfish.com>
Subject: Re: $ENV...Explained
Message-Id: <7fus3a$44m$1@gellyfish.btinternet.com>
On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:55:15 -0500 HowToFoldSoup wrote:
> I believe the people who answered the question weren't understanding the
> question.
>
Thats a bit difficult to know because your post has no references: header
so I cant tell which question you are referring to.
> What the questioner, as I understand it, was trying to ask was if there is a
> list of the $ENV{'VAR_TYPE'} type of variables that a browser automatically
> passes to the perl script.
>
I dont know why you always have someone who has to turn every question
into one about the CGI. Of course it is well known that Perl is *only*
ever used for CGI stuff isnt it ...
Anyhow you're wrong: the browser passes nothing to the CGI program - and
if the mythical original poster had put the question that way he would
have been told so as well - the browser sends some stuff to the server and
the server passes some stuff to the CGI program - possibly in environment
variables depending on the circumstances. I think that you should read
the CGI specification at :
<http://hoohoo,ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> I know of the Following:
>
<SNIP>
>
> I actually came here looking for a similar list, preferably complete, is
> anyone can provide one.
>
The necessary ones are stated in the CGI specification.
You can find which ones are made available to your program by your server
by running a short program that prints the variables:
#!/usr/bin/perl
print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n";
while (($key, $val) = each %ENV) {
print "$key = $val\n";
}
And just to demonstrate this is nothing to do with Perl in particular:
#!/bin/sh
echo "Content-type: text/plain"
echo
set
Anyhow its nothing to do with Perl - this and similar questions should be
asked in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
/J\
--
Jonathan Stowe <jns@gellyfish.com>
Some of your questions answered:
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Hastings: <URL:http://www.newhoo.com/Regional/UK/England/East_Sussex/Hastings>
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 17:55:05 GMT
From: Matthew Darwin <matthew@davin.ottawa.on.ca>
Subject: Archive::Tar and volume labels
Message-Id: <7g299p$jna$1@caribou.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
What is most efficient way to extract the volume label from a tar file in
perl? This is my current code (which is part of a larger program):
----------------------------------------
use Archive::Tar;
use strict;
defined $ARGV[0] || die "$0: specify filename\n";
-e $ARGV[0] || die "$0: $ARGV[0]: $!\n";
my $tar = new Archive::Tar;
my @files = $tar->list_archive($ARGV[0], ['name', 'mode']);
for (my $i = 0; $i < $#files; $i++) {
if ($files[$i]{mode} == 0) {
print "$files[0]{name}\n";
last;
}
}
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 18:06:39 GMT
From: gbacon@itsc.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: Delete line
Message-Id: <7g29vf$s6b$1@info2.uah.edu>
In article <7g28e0$p1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
cryptoman@my-dejanews.com writes:
: There is anyone can tell me which function should I use to delete a
: line in a text's file. I looked at CPAN and in the Perl CookBook but
: it doesn't help.
What about the FAQ? Always consult the FAQ. Go read it. Now. All of
it. What're you waiting for? Hurry up!
Greg
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 12:13:51 -0700
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: Delete line
Message-Id: <3724acdf@cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc,
cryptoman@my-dejanews.com writes:
:There is anyone can tell me which function should I use to delete a line in a
:text's file. I looked at CPAN and in the Perl CookBook but it doesn't help.
1) You posted this already in a different newsgroup, but failed to
properly crosspost. Please don't clonepost. It's evil and wrong.
2) This question is answered in the second question of perlfaq5. It's
on your own system. It's easy to grep.
3) The Perl Cookbook answers this question no fewer than four times.
You'll find three recipes in Chapter 7 and one in Chapter 14 that
will help you.
You're welcome.
--tom
--
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convenient; e.g., in another building." --jgreely
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 18:08:19 GMT
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: FAQ 7.19: Why doesn't "my($foo) = E<lt>FILEE<gt>;" work right?
Message-Id: <7g2a2j$lnp$1@news.NERO.NET>
In article <3723dd32@cs.colorado.edu>,
Tom Christiansen <perlfaq-suggestions@perl.com> wrote:
onyx 101: perl /dev/tty
my($foo) = E<lt>FILEE<gt>;
syntax error at /dev/tty line 1, near "<lt"
Since the Subject is the question being answered, please repost this
article with the correct subject.
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 11:55:36 -0700
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Fork goddamit! Fork!
Message-Id: <m14sm3qkif.fsf@halfdome.holdit.com>
>>>>> "ralawrence" == ralawrence <ralawrence@my-dejanews.com> writes:
ralawrence> When this runs despite the fact that STDOUT is closed, the
ralawrence> code still waits for the parent to finish. I've also tried
ralawrence> running this through a UID and GID wrapper and the same
ralawrence> problems happen.
ralawrence> Am I not closing STDOUT correctly?
Still missing it. Go read my columns more closely.
For a long running CGI task:
(1) fork
(2-parent) say something to the browser
(3-parent) exit
(2-kid) close STDOUT
(3-kid) do some long thing
(4-kid) exit
You put the long thing in the PARENT. It needs to be in the kid.
The web server must seen the parent exit *and* no more writers to what
was originally the parent's standard-out in order to continue.
print "Just another web whacker and Perl hacker,"
--
Name: Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
Keywords: Perl training, UNIX[tm] consulting, video production, skiing, flying
Email: <merlyn@stonehenge.com> Snail: (Call) PGP-Key: (finger merlyn@teleport.com)
Web: <A HREF="http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/">My Home Page!</A>
Quote: "I'm telling you, if I could have five lines in my .sig, I would!" -- me
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:49:40 GMT
From: scraig@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Fork goddamit! Fork!
Message-Id: <7g2cg2$t00$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article <7g2133$hqq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
ralawrence@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
>
> print "Wait 10 seconds and then look in the 'blah.txt' file ...\n";
> close(STDOUT);
The browser could be having a problem with the lack of html tags.
Specifically, </html>. Why not gussy up the output a bit:
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
print "<html><head><title>Wait 10 secs</title></head><body>\n";
print "Wait 10 seconds and then look in the 'blah.txt' file ...\n";
print "</body></html>\n";
close(STDOUT);
HTH
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 12:09:25 PST
From: Ted Timmons <tedder@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Fork goddamit! Fork!
Message-Id: <3724b9e5.0@news.pacifier.com>
scraig@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> The browser could be having a problem with the lack of html tags.
> Specifically, </html>. Why not gussy up the output a bit:
> print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
If you're going to do that, why not use a content-type of "text/plain" for
testing instead?
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:27:23 GMT
From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: Fork goddamit! Fork!
Message-Id: <3725bbb2.746870@news.skynet.be>
ralawrence@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Here is a snippet of offending code that doesn't work:
>
>---begin bad perl code---
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl
>
>print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
>
>if (!defined($child_pid = fork()))
>{
> print "wow, an error\n";
> exit;
>}
>
>if ($child_pid)
>{
> print "Wait 10 seconds and then look in the 'blah.txt' file ...\n";
> close(STDOUT);
> exit;
>}
>
>sleep(10);
>
>open (BLAH, ">>/tmp/blah.txt" || die "erk!");
>$t = time();
>print BLAH "Seconds now are ... $t\n";
>close (BLAH);
Compare this to Randal's code. Yours both closes STDOUT in the child,
and the child exits. So the parent keeps running, and STDOUT is kept
open!
At least, change this so that one closes STDOUT, (child or parent) and
the other exits. I don't know the exact rules, but something along these
lines ought to work.
In Randal's code, the parent quits nomrally (even though through
exit()), and the child closes it's output, and keeps processing.
BTW maybe close STDERR too.
Bart.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:11:12 GMT
From: matt@matt.com
Subject: Re: GIFgraph problems
Message-Id: <3724ac20.1112783546@news.infonent.com>
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:02:03 +0800, "Shashank Tripathi"
<mkshanx@ust.hk> wrote:
>Hi I am using the sample program that comes with GIFgraph and it gives me
>the following error:
>
>---------------
>Software error:
>Can't locate object method "new" via package "GIFgraph::bars" at
>C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\cgiii\gifgraph1.pl line 14.
>---------------
>
>
>Would really appreciate advice on what I might be doing wrong..
>
>S
Check your @INC path to make sure your module is being properly
loaded.
--matt
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:16:22 GMT
From: kamez@my-dejanews.com
Subject: HELP , HELP PERL5
Message-Id: <7g2ahi$r7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
does anyone has a clue why the following simple script don't work ?
i'm using perl5.003.02 , over bsdi3.1 .
this same script works fine over perl5.004
#!/usr/bin/perl5
use strict;
use Net::Ping;
my($ping_obj)=Net::Ping->new("tcp");
if (! $ping_obj->ping('www.xxx.com'))
{
print ("host no responding");
}
Can't locate object method "new" via package "Net::Ping" at - line 3.
thanks for any help.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:47:53 -0700
From: Greg McCann <gregm@well.com>
Subject: Re: How do i print something using perl?
Message-Id: <3724C2E9.F3B45406@well.com>
smnayeem@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> my printer is on LPT1
> when i try that pipe to lp or >LPT1 the printer blinks only and doesnt do
> anything. what language might the printer be speaking? i just want to print
> something thats all.
First, you might want to do a simple test to be sure that 1.) Your printer is
really on LPT1 and 2.) Your printer understands ASCII.
Try this at your command prompt...
c:\>echo test>LPT1
c:\>echo ^L>LPT1 <=== that's Ctrl-L (a formfeed), not Shift-6, L
If that doesn't print out a page with the word "test" at the top, you need to
review your assumptions about the printer.
Greg
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:06:42 GMT
From: georgee1631@my-dejanews.com
Subject: How to access entire command line?
Message-Id: <7g2dfu$u32$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Everybody,
Inside a perl script is there a system variable or something that I can use to
access the entire command line that invoked the script.
Thanks.
George.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:06:43 GMT
From: georgee1631@my-dejanews.com
Subject: How to access entire command line?
Message-Id: <7g2dg0$u33$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Everybody,
Inside a perl script is there a system variable or something that I can use to
access the entire command line that invoked the script.
Thanks.
George.
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 13:41:25 -0700
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: How to access entire command line?
Message-Id: <3724c165@cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc,
georgee1631@my-dejanews.com writes:
:Inside a perl script is there a system variable or something that I can use to
:access the entire command line that invoked the script.
man perlvar and see @ARGV.
--tom
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:16:21 GMT
From: atul_singh@my-dejanews.com
Subject: How to statically link a perl extension on NT 4.0 using VC 6.0 nmake for perl5.005_02
Message-Id: <7g2ahg$r7g$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
I want to statically link an extension in perl5.005_02 . I used the
Makemaker.PL with LINKTYPE => 'static' and LIBPERL_A => perl.lib to get the
makefile.
Then I did nmake perl . Its giving compilation errors saying that certain
extralibs.ld can't be built .
Can someone give an idea how to build statically linked perl extensions ?
Regards
Atul
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:31:32 -0400
From: kpreid@ibm.net (Kevin Reid)
Subject: Re: MacPerl to AS (well, vice versa)
Message-Id: <1dqt7vz.g42z5dk0lceiN@[192.168.0.1]>
Carl Stern <cwstern@mitXYZZY.edu> wrote:
> Hi there. This is not a pure perl question, but rather a
> how-can-I-use-perl-here question.
>
> I'm trying to get MacPerl working with BBEdit's include directive.
It would probably be better to ask this on (one of) the MacPerl mailing
lists, which can be found at:
http://macperl.com/macperl/depts/mlist.html
--
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"I'm me." | Think different.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:09:03 -0700
From: David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: one script calling another
Message-Id: <3724ABBF.B4640E57@mail.cor.epa.gov>
David Cooper wrote:
> [trim]
> I have several perl scripts that use the same functions. Lets say these
> functions are in login.pl and the script addevent.pl uses the same
> functions but is on a different server, how do i get the addevent.pl to
> call login.pl?
Let's see if I have this right. You want to have Perl execute the
statements in the login.pl script while you're in addevent.pl .
Is that right?
If so, look up `do':
perldoc -f do
Right there you'll find an example of what you want.. although
you'll have to add the path yourself.
HTH,
David
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:56:45 +0100
From: Jean-Paul CHIRON <chiron@aquarel.fr>
Subject: perl installation
Message-Id: <3724B6ED.940153B9@aquarel.fr>
Hi !
I've some problems for installing some Perl's module.
I want to install Data::Dumper :
Perl Makefile -> ok
make
.....
-> cc: unrecognized option `-KPIC'
(in fact cc is a link to gcc, i work on solaris 7)
....
make test
....
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /opt/local/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib
-I/opt/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/sun4-solaris
-I/opt/local/lib/perl5/5.00502 -e 'use Test::Harness qw(&runtests
$verbose); $verbose=0; runtests @ARGV;' t/*.t
t/dumper............Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/Data/Dumper/Dumper.so'
for module Data::Dumper: ld.so.1: /opt/local/bin/perl: fatal:
blib/arch/auto/Data/Dumper/Dumper.so: corrupt or truncated file at
/opt/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/sun4-solaris/DynaLoader.pm line 168.
....
I don't see why it don't work !
Is there anybody can help me ?
Cordialy
--
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:04:43 -0500
From: Cameron Dorey <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
To: David Borger <borger@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Pre-newbie needs help getting started
Message-Id: <3724AABB.A9D8723@mail.uca.edu>
[cc'd to db]
David Borger wrote:
>
> I am a pre-newbie when it comes to perl. I've been using awk for
> several years and have programmed (though not professionally) in several
> other languages. Awhile back someone suggested to me that if I liked
> awk, I'd love Perl, so I thought I would take a look. I downloaded and
> installed ActiveState Perl for Win32 Version 5.003_07 Build 307 (running
> under Windows 95) [snip]
> I thought I would start by familiarizing myself with the
> perldoc command.
That version did not include perldoc. Please go back to ActiveState and
download 5.005, build 509. This one works well, even with perldoc.
Cameron
--
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:40:11 -0400
From: kpreid@ibm.net (Kevin Reid)
Subject: Re: returning a hashtable from a subformula
Message-Id: <1dqv566.xf2q8416r2om4N@[192.168.0.1]>
Kimberly Rice <kimrice@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
> I am having problems returning a hashtable from a subfunction I made. So,
> the subfunction makes a hashtable with in it. Call it %localHash.
> The main body call the subformula like this:
>
> %globalHash = FunctThatShouldReturnHT(arg);
>
> and FunctThatShouldReturnHT
> returns the table via the command:
>
> return %localHash;
>
> But, it is not working; there is no %globalHash after the subformula call.
> Can a subformula return a hash table? If so, what am I doing wrong?
It would be helpful if you showed us the complete code of
FunctThatShouldReturnHT; or, even better, a complete program that
demonstrates your problem.
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"I'm me." | Think different.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:01:11 -0400
From: Ala Qumsieh <aqumsieh@matrox.com>
Subject: Re: Split sizes instead of pattern?
Message-Id: <x3yg15nclcp.fsf@tigre.matrox.com>
NukeEmUp@ThePentagon.com (David Cantrell) writes:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:49:57 +0200, Mats Pettersson
> <mats.pettersson@falukuriren.se> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >A line in the file may look as follows:
> >
> >1999-01 6 4 2 1 7 5 3
> >
> >So the first field should be 7 characters the second 4 characters the
> >third 4 characters and so on. Some of the fields might be empty (like
> >the 7th in this example) so thats wy i just can't split with whitespace.
> >
> >Is there som sort of '@fields = split_size /7,4,4,4.../' command in
> >perl?
>
> split// and other regex-ish operations are not always the best
> approach.
>
> eg ...
>
> $line='1999-01 6 4 2 1 7 5 3';
> @fields=(substr($line, 0, 7));
> for($index=7;$index<length($line);$index+=4)
> { push(@fields, substr($line, $index, 4));
> }
substr() is better than a split() or a regexp solution, but reading the
FAQs is best by far. From perlfaq5:
How can I manipulate fixed-record-length files?
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:01:50 -0700
From: David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <3724AA0E.28DA2217@mail.cor.epa.gov>
Tom Christiansen wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> I'm so very happy that I kill on the muffyword "newbie"
> in the subject line. Perhaps it's time to repost my
> killfile to help others avoid the crap as well.
Actually I still have a copy of your killfile. I keep a lot of your
posts, since there's a lot of meat to them. Oops, I guess I shouldn't
say that to a vegetarian. :-)
Still, *someone* needs to talk to the people who are so clueless that
they put the word NEWBIE in their subject line [and often misspell
it as well]. It might as well be the people like me who are still
close enough to their learning-perl days that they can show a modicum
of patience with someone who doesn't yet know the difference between
HTML and Perl. Well, perhaps not *that* much patience...
David
--
David Cassell, OAO cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov
Senior Computing Specialist phone: (541) 754-4468
mathematical statistician fax: (541) 754-4716
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 18:15:31 GMT
From: gbacon@itsc.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <7g2ag3$s6b$3@info2.uah.edu>
In article <3724AA0E.28DA2217@mail.cor.epa.gov>,
David Cassell <cassell@mail.cor.epa.gov> writes:
: Still, *someone* needs to talk to the people who are so clueless that
: they put the word NEWBIE in their subject line [and often misspell
: it as well]. It might as well be the people like me who are still
: close enough to their learning-perl days that they can show a modicum
: of patience with someone who doesn't yet know the difference between
: HTML and Perl. Well, perhaps not *that* much patience...
I hope no one does. Knowledge of this behavioral trend is nice for
those of us who are tired of being asked to read the docs to and
hold the hands of a bunch of lazy ne'er-do-wells. Don't get me wrong;
I enjoy helping people. However, I get very irritated at the
gimme-gimme mentality that's squatted and festered here. I like to see
at least a tiny show of good faith before I answer a question.
Greg, a cynical ol' vet :-)
--
God does not play dice with the universe. -- Albert Einstein
Who are you to tell God what to do? -- Niels Bohr
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Date: 12 Dec 98 21:33:47 GMT (Last modified)
From: Perl-Request@ruby.oce.orst.edu (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
Subject: Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98)
Message-Id: <null>
Administrivia:
Well, after 6 months, here's the answer to the quiz: what do we do about
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]Date: 21 Sep 1998 19:53:43 -0700
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