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Today's topics:
Re: Perl Criticism (Heath Holcomb)
Re: Perl Criticism <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: Perl Criticism <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: Perl Criticism <aqumsieh@matrox.com>
Re: Perl Criticism <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: Perl Criticism <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: Perl Criticism (David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus))
Re: Perl Criticism <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: Perl Criticism <eugene@snailgem.org>
Re: possible bug in perl format with ~~ (Tad McClellan)
System command in perl CGI dua12@my-dejanews.com
Re: viewing Perl data structures <ajohnson@gatewest.net>
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 02:49:22 GMT
From: holcojh5@REMOVEMEwfu.edu (Heath Holcomb)
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696c0f8.350438924@enews.newsguy.com>
On 8 Jan 1999 19:53:06 -0000, Jonathan Stowe
<gellyfish@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>Hmm,
>
>Just for interest I Deja'd the self-styled 'topmind' and I think that a
>quick glance at :
>
><URL:http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=366872046>
>
>might help us just to get a flavour before we killfile him.
>
>/J\
I know this is OT, but it's just too amusing to pass up.
Just for the hell of it, I went a little farther on Dejanews. Check
out:
http://www.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=topmind@technologist.com&ST=PS
The threads in talk.origins and soc.culture.arabic are particularly
instructive. If anybody needed any further evidence that this guy gets
a kick out of trolls, s.c.arabic should do the trick. talk.origins,
too. Evidently, he's not satisfied with nature's design abilities
either.
Heath
OK, this time I really am done.
--
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:48:52 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696DFB4.D83B1B28@c-zone.net>
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
>
> On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:29:43 GMT Bart Lateur wrote:
> > On 08 Jan 1999 09:52:01 -0500, Marc Evelyn wrote:
> >
> >>Oh you should read some of his writings in other USENET groups, say
> >>comp.object, and in other fora before making him an ally of Python!
> >
> > My, my.... George Reese?
> >
>
> Hmm,
>
> Just for interest I Deja'd the self-styled 'topmind' and I think that a
> quick glance at :
>
> <URL:http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=366872046>
>
> might help us just to get a flavour before we killfile him.
>
> /J\
> --
> Jonathan Stowe <jns@btinternet.com>
> Some of your questions answered:
> <URL:http://www.btinternet.com/~gellyfish/resources/wwwfaq.htm>
> Hastings: <URL:http://www.newhoo.com/Regional/UK/England/East_Sussex/Hastings>
Doh! We've been HAD! :-) Maybe he's taking surveys?
--
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:54:44 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696E114.426E28E6@c-zone.net>
topmind@technologist.com wrote:
>
> In article <3695bf06.3112160@news.skynet.be>,
> bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur) wrote:
> > topmind@technologist.com wrote:
> >
> > >The motivation of the list is to get a decent programming language
> > >that does not have the syntactic abusability of Perl.
> > >My intention is to make a better world, not start flame wars.
> >
> > You sound like a "Python" kind of person. Try it out. Most Perl people
> > have done that at one time or another.
>
> I have received a dozen language recommendations, but you are the 3rd person
> to recommend Python. Maybe the next time at the book store I look more.
I enjoy Python as well as Perl (not as much) personally... And Tcl, and
others... You might very well take that seriously..
>
> >
> > Let the Perl people have their syntactic abusabilty. It is by design.
> > Really. Most seem to like it that way.
>
> Of course! It is job security. Only they can fix their own spehgetti,
> so they are called back with a pay hike. Nice little racket.
> Perhaps I should join it. I just hope I don't inherit bad code to
> maintain from the prior cryptologist.
Uh.. yeah, that's it... :-) have you considered any of the advantages
and flexibility with Perl at all? This is why I say you're flaming. Why
ask all those questions that you seem to know the answer to. Apparently
Perl is a huge waste of time, in your opinion. Perl is a very easy to
comprehend, if you bother to learn it (and are capable).
> Oh oh, I sounded too sarcastic and flamey in that paragraph. Hmmm...
> delete it or endure the fire..... Oh well, bring it on boys (or girls).
Bring _what_ on?.. Oh right, you're not flaming though. :-)
>
> >
> > Bart.
> >
>
> -tmind-
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:47:40 -0500
From: Ala Qumsieh <aqumsieh@matrox.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <x3ybtk96zmc.fsf@tigre.matrox.com>
topmind@technologist.com writes:
>
> I think power and reasonable safety are only slightly mutually exclusive.
> In another message I challenged someone to come up with power-Perl
> code that MUST BE cryptic in order to be powerful. (Let's stay away
> from reg.ex's since i did NOT exclude them in my article.)
I would vote for the Schwartzian Transform then.
> Could you supply a specific code example of why contexts are so great?
> (hopefully with comments :-), my Perl is rusty.)
> I looked them up and could not see practical
> examples, only illustrative ones.
Reading in files is one example.
Using the same operator, you can read in one line, all the file into
one scalar, or all the file into an array.
$line = <FH>; # reads one line from FH and puts it in $line
{ local $/ = undef; $line = <FH> } # reads the whole file FH in $line
@lines = <FH>; # puts one line of FH into each element of @lines
Another good example, aside from regexps, would be the use of
wantarray() to return different thingies from subroutines, depending
on the context.
> >> in this system I would have to keep concusly checking which verent
> I'm in. <<
>
> I have been kicking around ideas for the compiler/interp. to
> use the style based on how a given subroutine starts. Example:
>
> sub (x,y,z) {
> ...
> }
>
> If it sees the brace right after the parameter list (or after "isolate"),
> then it would assume braces for the rest of the routine.
>
> >> In perl you can do this....{ package mysillypack... :: ... } <<
>
> Not a very compact approach. My suggestion uses only one little
> optional keyword ("isolate").
I didn't follow the thread from the beginning and seem to have missed
the "isolate" point. Could you please tell me how your proposed
"isolate" is more compact than:
{ ... }
Ala
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:26:22 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696E87E.26B50428@c-zone.net>
topmind@technologist.com wrote:
>
> In article <36956489.5AEEC32F@mediaone.net>,
> "Michael D. Schleif" <mds-resource@mediaone.net> wrote:
> > Is it interesting to note that, simply because you ``can still make a
> > dichotomy'' *does not* testify to its existence? Does a tree falling in
> > the forest make noise without somebody to hear it?
> >
> > topmind@technologist.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps there is no sharp dividing line, but one can still make a dichotomy.
> > > Your statement is like saying, "There are no such thing as short people
> > > because there is no clear dividing line."
> >
> > Hammers *are not* optimized for chopping down trees.
> > Submarines *are not* optimized for interstellar transportation.
> > Homo sapiens *is not* optimized for immortality.
> >
> > I give up -- what's your point?
>
> As poined out in a nearby message, most of us prefer to
> classify movies and music even though there is no clear
> dividing line between them.
>
> Imperfect classifications are often better than no
> classifications. Classifications are a tool.
> Just because we don't have an exact equation does
> not mean the tool is not useful.
>
> >
> > > Scripting languages are not *optimized* for:
> > >
> > > 1. Fast applications like 3D graphics.
> > >
> > > 2. Critical military and medical applications.
> > >
> > > 3. Building a big commercial OS and/or interpreter.
> > >
> > > 4. Building mass-distribution applications like wordprocessing.
> >
> > This is my absolute favorite unreasonable assertion }:-^
> >
> > The blind cannot see, therefore seeing is not possible.
> > My neighbor's newborn infant cannot drive my car, therefore my car
> > cannot be driven.
> > I do not know how to fly, therefore it is not possible for anybody to
> > travel to the stars.
> >
>
> I don't understand this sarcasm. Does it relate to something I said?
>
> -tmind-
>
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one word my friend.. QBasic. Go at it and have fun. If you're not _able_
to comprehend this language, then you're not. You sort of tried though.
Is this a good way of learning? I bet not. There are areas of Perl that
are quickly learned, and areas that will take time to understand how
valuable it can be. You aren't willing to go that far, so end the
whining and this thread please. So then, you didn't have the intention
on starting a flame post, yet you continue? With all of the Perl
experts, and I _do_ mean *experts* pointing out the many and various
inaccuracies in your pseudo-facts, you need to either try and learn
about what you're claiming to know about, or drop it and move onto a
simpler language. it's "OK" if it's not the language for you. You formed
your stubborn, un-informed basis for how inefficient and poor the Perl
language is, before you posted your "facts". Why can't you see how
stupid that was? Oh well. :-)
--
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:31:57 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696E9CD.7FF2B4FA@c-zone.net>
Heath Holcomb wrote:
>
> On 8 Jan 1999 19:53:06 -0000, Jonathan Stowe
> <gellyfish@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hmm,
> >
> >Just for interest I Deja'd the self-styled 'topmind' and I think that a
> >quick glance at :
> >
> ><URL:http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=366872046>
> >
> >might help us just to get a flavour before we killfile him.
> >
> >/J\
>
> I know this is OT, but it's just too amusing to pass up.
>
> Just for the hell of it, I went a little farther on Dejanews. Check
> out:
>
> http://www.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=topmind@technologist.com&ST=PS
>
> The threads in talk.origins and soc.culture.arabic are particularly
> instructive. If anybody needed any further evidence that this guy gets
> a kick out of trolls, s.c.arabic should do the trick. talk.origins,
> too. Evidently, he's not satisfied with nature's design abilities
> either.
>
> Heath
>
> OK, this time I really am done.
Ohhhh Geez!.. *L*.> This person is a real nut job! looks like he will
make a fool out of himself in any medium! :-)
>
> --
> Heath Holcomb * I want to be more like the ocean
> holcojh5@REMOVEMEwfu.edu * No talking man
> http://www.wfu.edu/~holcojh5/ * All action
> delete REMOVEME to email * - Perry Farrell
--
Regards,
Tim Greer - chatmaster@c-zone.net
TRG Software and The Link Worm
http://www.linkworm.com
The Chat Base
http://www.chatbase.com
------------------------------------------------------------
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Copyright ) 1999 TRG Software and The Link Worm.
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Date: 9 Jan 1999 06:07:43 GMT
From: dformosa@zeta.org.au (David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus))
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <slrn79dshe.sgo.dformosa@godzilla.zeta.org.au>
In article <775hso$fs9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, topmind@technologist.com wrote:
>Reply to David Formosa's 1/8 message:
>
>>> There are posts in this newsgroup, comments in the O'Rielly books and
>the online documentaion. Also the decision process is carried out
>(more or less) on the p5p mailing list. <<
>
>Bits and peices here and there? Hardly a consistant, organized approach
>to building a language.
Has english been built in a consistant, organized approach? perl has
in part evoloved rather then been created. This may be its virtue
rather then its flaw.
[...]
>>> In most cases
>I've found its the non-unix solotions dragging down a comperney esp
>where it is combined with stupidity. At worst such systems fool the
>stupid people into thinking that they can mannige the system. <<
>
>The type of OS people work on depends mostly on circumstances
>not controlled by them. Since it is tough to switch sub-specialties
>in IT, most end up using what their college or first employer
>used.
I would not touch a mono-OS person with a barge pole.
[...]
>>> Unfortunitly this is likely true, however if you are a clever person
>it is a constent irratation to be strait jacketted by these safetylocks. <<
>
>I think power and reasonable safety are only slightly mutually exclusive.
>In another message I challenged someone to come up with power-Perl
>code that MUST BE cryptic in order to be powerful.
Ok first how do you define power? I beleave that therre is a greate
deal of power in leeky asiments because thay allow me to do alot of
things in one stament.
[...]
>>> Contexts, these are for the beginner one of the most confusing aspects
>of perl programing. However there fundermental to perls expressive
>power and its convence. <<
>
>Could you supply a specific code example of why contexts are so great?
>(hopefully with comments :-), my Perl is rusty.)
>I looked them up and could not see practical
>examples, only illustrative ones.
Ok, <> in a scalar context returns a single line of input and in a
list context returns all the lines of input. So I get two things from
the one keyword doubling my abity to use a file.
>>> Regular expressions, if you have ever studied formal langages and
>automarter you will discover how increadably powerfull these constructs are.<<
>
>Like I said, I did not exclude regex's. In fact, I just put an example
>on my webpage. Although I cleaned up the calling process a bit.
Did you? I can't find it when looking over
<URL::http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/6888/langopts.htm>
Could you please tell me where it is?
>>> Personaly I
>think where something is operating on two values and returning a third
>it should be an infix operator. <<
>
>I do not see many examples of this using descriptive operators,
>at least not with user-definable functions.
I would love to have the ability to define my own operators (perl
offers this in a limmited fashion with the ablity to overload the
arthimitic ops). If I where able to do this I could say create my own
set of set operators.
$result = ($seta union $setb) intersection $setc;
In fact I would argue that the realtional algebra (Restrict, Project,
Product, Union, Intersectr, Diffrence, Join, Divide) would work
perficly well as infix ops.
>It appears you have been out-voted. Besides, it complicates
>a language to support both prefix and infix.
So why are we not all programing in lisp then?[1]
>>> + * - / are all descriptive, we use them all the time to describe
>those operations. And most people I know read & as and. <<
>
>Well, you are right about these because they are banged into
>our heads from years of math classes.
And the meaing of words was banged into us from years of english
classes. Symbols are just things we attach meaning to, add is a
meningfull as +, mod is as meaningfull as %.
[...]
>>> In perl you can do this....{ package mysillypack... :: ... } <<
>
>Not a very compact approach. My suggestion uses only one little
>optional keyword ("isolate").
An addtional keyword for something that is not used that often? I
think it would be better just to avoid using globals expt where thay
are neccery and packing off functions with a commen set of globals
into there own package.
This encourages good program design.
>>> What I'm saying is the leeky approch is the correct one, you may not
>like it but it is so usefull that it is neccery. <<
>
>Correct One!????
>Show me an example of where it is so indespensable!!!
Ok in code like this
if (my @lines=$newsobject->xover($lowrange,$uprange)) {
# Do something with @lines
}
or
$set=$all=$these=$to=0;
or
($old = $current) = $new;
or
$resulta = join "\n",map {chomp $_;"The value of $_ is ".$value{$_}} (@keep=<>);
[1] I have nothing against lisp infact I like it alot.
--
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:24:44 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696F62C.64896FB1@c-zone.net>
topmind@technologist.com wrote:
>
> Subject: Perl Criticism
>
<SNIP a great deal of stupidity>
I see this 'wizard' of the "Perl language" That posts this nonsense, is
literally claiming to "specialize" in it? If you can believe this:
Bargain Web Programming
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Author:
topmind
Email:
topmind@technologist.com
Date:
1998/07/08
Forums:
prg.jobs
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Title: Bargain Web Programming
Hello, I have more than a decade of programming
experience, and am currently trying to switch
subspecialties and break into Web
Programming.
Although I have done extensive
self-training and entrepreneurial projects,
I don't yet have enough paid web experience under my
belt to satisfy the current market. (It is difficult
to prove self-study on a resume.)
Thus, I am wondering if anybody is looking
for very good prices on web programming
projects. I will even consider small
projects for free. It is credit and references
that I seek most, not money.
I specialize in Perl CGI, ASP (Active Server
Pages), Java, JavaScript, and Visual Basic.
I can also hook XBase (FoxPro, dBASE, and
Clipper) to the web.
E-mail me at topmind@technologist.com for more
information.
Thank You. - topmind@technologist.com -
(Note: I avoid using my real name on Usenet to reduce
spam and other junk-mail.)
Note that I am located in California, USA.
.. Oh well, whatever.. I think that's quite fitting.. :-)
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:31:33 -0500
From: Eugene Sotirescu <eugene@snailgem.org>
Subject: Re: Perl Criticism
Message-Id: <3696B175.D125F967@snailgem.org>
I think everything is crystal-clear.
Can we lose this thread now?
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:43:17 -0600
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: possible bug in perl format with ~~
Message-Id: <5of677.suq.ln@magna.metronet.com>
Jon Lewis (jlewis@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:
: $sr_notes contains any \r\n's,
: I'm using perl 5.004 on Linux.
Why do you have Carriage Returns in your text files?
--
Tad McClellan SGML Consulting
tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 05:03:48 GMT
From: dua12@my-dejanews.com
Subject: System command in perl CGI
Message-Id: <776nvj$hoc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Hi there
Greetings
I am working on a project where I m required to execute a prolog script
(interpreter) and show the output generated thru cgi and HTML.
I am successful in generating the desired output but my problem is that
output include the compilation stuff (error and worning) too.
I just want to know is there anyway i can get rid of undesired output.
Pls. have a glance of the code.
#usr/bin/perl -w
push(@INC,"/cgi-bin");
require ("cgi-lib.pl");
$ENV{'PATH'}.="/usr/local/bin";
$ENV{'PATH'}.="/var/lib/httpd/cgi-bin";
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
$|=1;
system("/usr/local/bin/pl -f sunny.pl") || print "Error using pl : $!";
open(OF,"<abc") || print "I/O Error : abc : $!";
print "<HTML>
<HEAD></HEAD>
<BODY><P>";
while(<OF>)
{chop;
print "$_<BR>";
}
close(OF);
Pls. help me out. I shall be really greatful to you.
Thanks
Sunil Dua
sunil@india-times.com
dua12@hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:28:09 -0600
From: Andrew Johnson <ajohnson@gatewest.net>
Subject: Re: viewing Perl data structures
Message-Id: <3696F6F9.23FA9DE4@gatewest.net>
Burton Kent wrote:
>
> How do you make Perl dump a complex data structure?
> (Basically, A hash of hashes of arrays of hashes).
>
> Since perl usually seems to know what type of variable
> it's accessing, I imagine there's a module or command to
> do this.
>
> I haven't found it on CPAN. (Devel::Peek doesn't seem
> to traverse the structure.) Any ideas?
try Data::Dumper ... from the manpage:
NAME
Data::Dumper - stringified perl data structures, suitable
for both printing and eval
might be what you are looking for.
regards
andrew
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article to perl-users@ruby.oce.orst.edu.
To submit articles to comp.lang.perl.announce, send your article to
clpa@perl.com.
To request back copies (available for a week or so), send your request
to almanac@ruby.oce.orst.edu with the command "send perl-users x.y",
where x is the volume number and y is the issue number.
The Meta-FAQ, an article containing information about the FAQ, is
available by requesting "send perl-users meta-faq". The real FAQ, as it
appeared last in the newsgroup, can be retrieved with the request "send
perl-users FAQ". Due to their sizes, neither the Meta-FAQ nor the FAQ
are included in the digest.
The "mini-FAQ", which is an updated version of the Meta-FAQ, is
available by requesting "send perl-users mini-faq". It appears twice
weekly in the group, but is not distributed in the digest.
For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
answer them even if I did know the answer.
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