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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 07:00:21 -0800
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Perl-Users Digest Fri, 1 Jan 1999 Volume: 8 Number: 4527
Today's topics:
"Malform Multipart Post" <tavi367@ibm.net>
Re: [Q] How use Cookie? <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: a nicer way? <tavi367@ibm.net>
Re: Basic Perl DOS/Win95 + WWW + CGI course for Newbies <tavi367@ibm.net>
Checking for file.... <no_amaring@jps.net>
Re: Checking for file.... (Greg Andrews)
Re: COM port and Perl <Bill.Palmer@online.disney.com>
Re: File Upload Script <tavi367@ibm.net>
Re: Getting error with "chomp" <meehna@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Getting error with "chomp" <jdf@pobox.com>
How to get start ? <ex5316@netvigator.com>
install modules for perl in active perl <wclui@virtue.csis.hku.hk>
Re: Learning Perl '95 <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
looking for perl programmer (Parplex)
Re: Looking for script to do bulletin baord with (Excession)
Re: News scripts (John Stanley)
Re: Perl Cookbook <tavi367@ibm.net>
Re: Perl, Netscape and Internet Explorer...:( <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Re: Problem with Net::SMTP under NT (Martin Vorlaender)
Re: Redirecting Output... (John Stanley)
Re: Regex with Perl Win32 and ODBC? <trellin@inreach.com>
Re: Retrospective on comp.lang.perl.moderated? (Tad McClellan)
Re: Retrospective on comp.lang.perl.moderated? (John Stanley)
Scripts <tspencer@exconet.co.uk>
Re: Thanks! and happy new year! <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:59:37 -0600
From: "tavi" <tavi367@ibm.net>
Subject: "Malform Multipart Post"
Message-Id: <368c6439.0@news1.ibm.net>
I created a script on NT p5 iis4.
It seems to work fine but I get this error every 6 to 8 uploads.
Even if the file is the same or different.
I used CGI.pm in my script.
Any ideas?
Walter
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:53:51 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: [Q] How use Cookie?
Message-Id: <368CA93F.AA8CEE85@c-zone.net>
HongMo wrote:
>
> Example please.........
>
> ^^;
Well, I was going to post something sarcastic, but I'll refrain.
Go to a search engine and look for "cookie FAQ". This isn't a Perl
question. You can use many languages to write/use cookies.
--
Regards,
Tim Greer - chatmaster@c-zone.net
TRG Software and The Link Worm
http://www.linkworm.com
The Chat Base
http://www.chatbase.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Creator of Paradise Chat, Chat Central & Spiral Chat
* Receiving over 250,000+ hits a day from users Worldwide!!!
* Sales of custom chat server scripts * CGI/Perl scripting
* Script trouble shooting/security * Modify & debug scripts
* Freelance Perl Scripting for any purpose or application
Copyright ) 1998 TRG Software and The Link Worm.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:30:48 -0600
From: "tavi" <tavi367@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: a nicer way?
Message-Id: <368c6b8a.0@news1.ibm.net>
Scratchie wrote in message ...
>
>Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> wrote:
>: :You might want to clue Lincoln Stein in on this. In my copy of the
>: :man page to CGI.pm (obviously, gen'd from the embedded pod), all of
>: :his examples use the OO syntax.
>
>: This is what we call an historical artifact -- he wrote the documentation
>: before he had introduced the procedural interface. He merely never
>: bothered to rewrite it. I hereby volunteer to amend the documentation
>: to mirror its more customary and normal use.
>
>That would be a great service to newbies... the existing CGI docs are a
>little intimidating if you've never done any OO programming before.
>
>--Art
I agree. I even bought the book and that didn't really help me (maybe I'm a
bit thick).
I just can't figure out why I keep getting "malformed multipart posts"
errors.
But then again, I'm following the Docs and using OOP format.
Maybe after I get a copy of Toms revised Docs on CGI.pm, I will get a better
handle on this and solve my problem.
But then again, there is always cgi-lib.pl
Walter
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:36:54 -0600
From: "tavi" <tavi367@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Basic Perl DOS/Win95 + WWW + CGI course for Newbies , Christmas free offer .
Message-Id: <368c6cfa.0@news1.ibm.net>
Expert wrote in message <36817006.E6F@friko.onet.pl>...
>I would like to give basic Perl course for newbies.
>Integration of CGI Perl scripts with WWW pages.
>Setting up simple WIN95/ web server and setting up web pages + CGI
>programs running on your PC , for testing purposes.
>
>Hope this course to be free, interactive, mayby on shareware basis.
>
>If some of you guys are interested I set up news group to move us
>there.
>regards,
>Jack
Yes, how does one join the fun?
Walter
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:34:20 -0800
From: "amaring" <no_amaring@jps.net>
Subject: Checking for file....
Message-Id: <368c7a99.0@blushng.jps.net>
Can someone please post some code that may help me.
I need to check for a files existence, if it exists I print a error message,
if it doesn't exist I call a routine. I tried to do this various ways and
no matter what I can't get it to work.
let the file be "file.bak" and the routine to be called "routine"
I'd appreciate someone posting code that could help me do this.
Thanks in advance!
--------------------------------------------------
-Remove "No_" from my email address-
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Date: 1 Jan 1999 01:58:48 -0800
From: gerg@shell1.ncal.verio.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re: Checking for file....
Message-Id: <76i68o$eeq$1@shell1.ncal.verio.com>
"amaring" <no_amaring@jps.net> writes:
>Can someone please post some code that may help me.
>
>I need to check for a files existence, if it exists I print a error message,
>if it doesn't exist I call a routine. I tried to do this various ways and
>no matter what I can't get it to work.
>let the file be "file.bak" and the routine to be called "routine"
>I'd appreciate someone posting code that could help me do this.
>
Here's something:
$thefile = '/path/to/file.bak';
# does the file exist?
if (-e $thefile) {
# yes - that's an error
print STDERR "Darnit! The file $thefile exists!\n";
} else {
# no - call my special routine
routine();
}
I tend to think that your script will probably do something like
error out if the file exists and continue normally if it doesn't.
In that case, you might want to write it more like this:
$thefile = '/path/to/file.bak';
# bail out if the file exists
if (-e $thefile) {
die "Error: File $thefile already exists\n";
}
# safe to run my routine
routine();
(more code follows)
-Greg
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:23:11 +0000
From: Bill Palmer <Bill.Palmer@online.disney.com>
To: Slava <slava@homestudio.rosprint.ru>
Subject: Re: COM port and Perl
Message-Id: <368A536F.75B1@online.disney.com>
Slava wrote:
>
> Hi !!!
>
> Can you answer me what perl module I must use for the work with com port
> (cua0/COM1/ttyS0, etc) ???
>
> Best regards,
> Slava.
What ever it is you're doing, you'll need to do it with sockets.
{{:[ qapla
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:42:25 -0600
From: "walter" <tavi367@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: File Upload Script
Message-Id: <368c6e55.0@news1.ibm.net>
-
====================================================================
The software required `Windows 95 or better', so I installed Mac OS.
-- Remember: Win 95 = Mac 84 = GS 80 = Xerox 72
Sam Curren wrote in message ...
>[This followup was posted to comp.lang.perl.misc and a copy was sent to
>the cited author.]
>
>I have tried several, and had trouble with all the ones using cgi_lib.pl
>
>Using CGI.pm I have been very successful. Let me know if you need any
>example scripts, I have several that worked for me.
I could use some examples that work.
My version that uses CGI.pm gives me "malformed multipart posts" every 6 to
8 submits and I have no idea why.
Thanks
Walter
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Date: 1 Jan 1999 05:47:06 GMT
From: James McDonald <meehna@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Getting error with "chomp"
Message-Id: <368C620A.A45BAE02@worldnet.att.net>
chop removes that last character no matter what it is
chomp removes only a newline character
Bart Lateur wrote:
> Trent wrote:
>
> >I transferred a (working) script to another server running Perl 5, but
> >with a different OS, and gotten errors too.
> >
> >I finally had to replace with chop.
>
> No way.
>
> I bet that it's running the wrong version of Perl. (Most servers support
> both a Perl4 and a Perl5 port).
>
> Bart.
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Date: 01 Jan 1999 12:59:22 +0100
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: meehna@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Getting error with "chomp"
Message-Id: <m3g19vkxut.fsf@joshua.panix.com>
James McDonald <meehna@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> chomp removes only a newline character
That's not true.
$ perldoc -f chomp
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
http://pobox.com/~jdf
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:15:56 +0800
From: Free Stuff <ex5316@netvigator.com>
Subject: How to get start ?
Message-Id: <368CD89C.6058C2BF@netvigator.com>
Hello,
I start learning Perl last week. I buy three books on this topic. I hope
I can write some simple scripts in two to three months.
But I really don't know how to get start up to now ! The books assume
that your computer already have everything installed and ready to run
the scripts.
I have a question :
I use window 95. What software do I need to install in my computer so
that I can test and run the Perl scripts in my computer before I put the
scripts to the Server.
I already go to http://www.perl.com but I don't know which software
should I download.
Please help.
Thanks
Alex
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:40:13 +0800
From: Richard Lui <wclui@virtue.csis.hku.hk>
Subject: install modules for perl in active perl
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.4.03.9901012137220.8818-100000@virtue.csis.hku.hk>
I've installed ActiveState Perl in my PC running windows95. The
whole version of perl is installed in c:\perl
I want to install some modules as instructed in
http://www.activeState.com/ActivePerl/docs/
It indicates that I can make use of the PPM when connected to the
internet through PPP.
I connected to the Internet and run C:\perl\bin\ppm.bat and the prompt
PPM>
appears. As illustrated, I use the 'search' command to look at the
available modules but it did not return any available module.
Therefore, I suspect whether it is because of the proxy server.
and so with reference to the "PPM and Firewalls" page, i follow the
instructions.
In the first step, "Update your PPM", i have to download a download a
PPM package and installed the PPD file into a directory c:\package
The corresponding .tar.gz file is placed in the c:\package\x86.
I try to run the following command as instructed in step 1 in c:\perl\bin:
perl ppm.pl install ppm --location=c:\package
but it said
"Error installing package 'ppm': Cannot forceunlink C:\Perl\bin\ppm.pl:
Permission denied at C:\PERL\lib/File/Find.pm line 166"
After that, when i want to run the ppm.bat again, the following message
appear:
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Attribute VERSION=" missing an ending quote.
Therefore, the 1 step already seems to be failed and i can't continue with
my installation. I've also tried to set the environmental variable
HTTP_PROXY but it still fails.
Are the above steps the proper way to install the modules?
If I just download the package without PPM, am i really required
to use the "make" to compile? (It is inconvenient as I am in dos
environment)
What other ways can i try to achieve the same goal without using make or
PPM? Can i just download some executable files without those troublesome
steps to install the modules?
What are the proper steps for me to take in order that I can set up for my
proxy server in Perl?
Thank You for your help.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:59:23 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Learning Perl '95
Message-Id: <368CAA8B.BE6604BA@c-zone.net>
augie@nic.com wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm taking a refresher course in Perl since I haven't used it in a while, and
> I'm trying to figure out the best way to go. I'm reading through Learning
> Perl right now. But the odds are pretty good I'll end up using a lot of Perl
> on my Win 95 system. (Or at least until I get Linux completely set up and
> feel comfortable with it.)
>
> Should I drop Learning Perl and go straight to the Win32 version (gecko) of
> the book, instead? Or should I read the Unix version first and then read the
> gecko book? Does the gecko book cover Win 95 as well as Win NT?
Don't waste your money. If you hadn't bought the other book, then sure,
I'd say you should get the Gecko, but there's enough online FAQ's and
Docs to show you the differences. If anything, you'll learn what doesn't
work on windows, instead of just what works does with windows.
Then again, if you have money to blow... then again, again, if you do,
get Programming Perl, Perl Cookbook, Advanced Perl Programming,
Mastering Regular Expressions, (all by O'reilly) and Effective Perl
Programming... That's to say, if you have money to blow.. If you don't,
then save up for those books.. because they are great.. There's more
too... :-)
--
Regards,
Tim Greer - chatmaster@c-zone.net
TRG Software and The Link Worm
http://www.linkworm.com
The Chat Base
http://www.chatbase.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Creator of Paradise Chat, Chat Central & Spiral Chat
* Receiving over 250,000+ hits a day from users Worldwide!!!
* Sales of custom chat server scripts * CGI/Perl scripting
* Script trouble shooting/security * Modify & debug scripts
* Freelance Perl Scripting for any purpose or application
Copyright ) 1998 TRG Software and The Link Worm.
------------------------------
Date: 1 Jan 1999 05:28:20 GMT
From: parplex@aol.com (Parplex)
Subject: looking for perl programmer
Message-Id: <19990101002820.01032.00001285@ng-cg1.aol.com>
i am looking for an intermediate-expert perl programmer to do some programming
for my Co. in return you get 20 megs, cgi-bin, front page support, and much
more..possable money depending on how good. Email parplex@aol.com.
HURRY
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 06:09:53 GMT
From: daccles@bad.spam.no.spam.pcug.org.au (Excession)
Subject: Re: Looking for script to do bulletin baord with
Message-Id: <368c664d.3477371@news.ozemail.com.au>
On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:02:49 GMT, yvan@intersolutions.com wrote:
>Does anyone here know where I might find a cgi/perl script that I can use to
>do a bulletin board with, .. free or otherwise? I'm looking for something
>that allows people to upload and post images along with their messages. Any
>help would be much appreciated.
Ultimate Bulletin Board, Madrona Inc.
http://www.ultimatebb.com/
Dac
---
David Andrew Clayton # Please remove NO_SPAM when
dac@NOSPAM.pcug.org.au # sending email replies.
I post therefore I am. #
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Date: 1 Jan 1999 08:20:55 GMT
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: News scripts
Message-Id: <76i0h7$e41$1@news.NERO.NET>
In article <MPG.10f5cb251407b257989682@news.slip.net>,
Spawn <spawn90@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>Can anybody tell me a decent CGI news script that is highly customizable
>and works really well?
Do you want CGI or news? CGI is HTTP, news is NNTP, and although the
acronyms look alike, they are very different. Many web clients will do
NNTP all by themselves.
>I need a script that can post time, date, updater
>name, and news of course. I've been using News Update 1.1 but I don't
>like it. Thanks in advance!
So you want an NNTP server? INN.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:55:09 -0600
From: "tavi" <tavi367@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Perl Cookbook
Message-Id: <368c632f.0@news1.ibm.net>
Best book on Perl I have, and I think I have them all, ORA and others!
I just wish the damn thing was on a CD!
Please Tom, please ?!?
Walter
PS: Got the laser pointer, thank you.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 03:10:45 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Perl, Netscape and Internet Explorer...:(
Message-Id: <368CAD35.5B231405@c-zone.net>
Tojo wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a HTML Form page where, I have put some text fields , radio buttons
> and all. And there is a Submit button, which will execute a Perl script and
> will send a mail to me. This page is working fine Internet Explorer3.0 to
> IE5.0.
>
> But when I use Neescape, instead of ececuting the Perl script, it tries to
> download
> (
>
> I am using Microsoft Peer Web Server on my machine.
>
> Someone Please help me......
>
> Tojo.
>
> mailto:tojo.punnoose@blr.sni.de
This has nothing to do with Perl.. You simply have the script pointing
to, calling from, or printing HTML from a; perl script. This sounds more
like an HTML or web server problem. (after all, you say it works on
certain browsers and not others, check a browsers' NG too).
Good luck. :-)
--
Regards,
Tim Greer - chatmaster@c-zone.net
TRG Software and The Link Worm
http://www.linkworm.com
The Chat Base
http://www.chatbase.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Creator of Paradise Chat, Chat Central & Spiral Chat
* Receiving over 250,000+ hits a day from users Worldwide!!!
* Sales of custom chat server scripts * CGI/Perl scripting
* Script trouble shooting/security * Modify & debug scripts
* Freelance Perl Scripting for any purpose or application
Copyright ) 1998 TRG Software and The Link Worm.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:00:01 +0100
From: martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE (Martin Vorlaender)
Subject: Re: Problem with Net::SMTP under NT
Message-Id: <368b8361.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>
Marcel Beekmans (beekmans@iae.nl) wrote:
: The "Helo" part of the Net::SMTP module appears not to work under NT. It
: in fact hangs up the complete IIS server. I need the "Helo" command to
: make my application work, because the smtp-server of my provider is
: configured in (they say a secure) way, that it needs this command. How
: can I solve this problem?
The reason for this is Net::Domain::_hostname does not work under NT
(nor does it under VMS...). You can work around this using the option to
specify the hostname explicitely:
$smtp = NET::SMTP->new( $mailHost, Hello=>$hostname );
In a CGI script, you can get it via
$hostname = CGI::server_name;
Hope it helps,
Martin
--
| Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer
VMS is today what | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de
Microsoft wants | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/
Windows NT 8.0 to be! | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de
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Date: 1 Jan 1999 08:17:13 GMT
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Redirecting Output...
Message-Id: <76i0a9$dve$1@news.NERO.NET>
In article <39yannrjwh.fsf@ibnets.com>, Uri Guttman <uri@ibnets.com> wrote:
> PM> different ways, but it seems impossible. I experimented with
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>so why do you say it is impossible?
He didn't. He said it seems impossible. If there isn't anything in your
life that has seemed to be impossible but other people could do, I think
you are very lucky. I also think you would be too rich and famous to be
wasting your time here in USENET.
>i know you are in high school in west virginia (judging from your
No, you don't know that, all you know is that his email address is
there. He could be the Principal, for all you know. He could be a parent
sharing his offspring's account. What _I_ know is that his being in high
school is irrelevant.
>address) but that does not exempt you from reading the documentation.
>nor does it allow you to defame our favorite language without some real
>proof something is impossible.
Get a grip. He didn't defame "our favorite language", he asked a
question.
>from perldoc -f system:
>
>256. See also L</exec>. This is I<NOT> what you want to use to capture
>the output from a command, for that you should use merely backticks or
>qx//, as described in L<perlop/"`STRING`">.
Lots of insult just to get to the answer. Long live comp.lang.perl.misc.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 04:46:56 GMT
From: Clay Ratliff <trellin@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Regex with Perl Win32 and ODBC?
Message-Id: <368C525C.CF5A2425@inreach.com>
> The regex, based on an example from the _Mastering Regular Expressions_
> book, succeeds in all cases with this file. (It currently doesn't work
> for the negative dollar amounts but that isn't important for right
> now.) However, after connecting and retrieving data from the Oracle
> database, where the numbers are in the same format, the regex always
> fails.
>
Check the contents of @row to ensure that there is actually something in
there.
I don't see where you have called either Data() or HashData() to retrieve
the data that was fetched by the call to FetchRow().
Take a look at this short tutorial if what I said doesn't make sense. It
explains it it pretty handily.
http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perl/article/Article.html
> while(@row = $sth->fetchrow()){
> my $t;
> $pid = $row[0];
> $_ = $desc = $row[1];
> if(s<\G((?:^\$)\d{1,3}(\,?\d{3})*(\.?\d{0,2}?)?)(?!\d)><$1,>gx){
> print "Found dollar amount mentioned! Logging...";
> print "$count\t$pid\t$desc\n";
> print LOG "$count\t$pid\t$desc\n";
> }else{
> print LOG "$pid\t$desc\n";
> $t = length $desc;
> print "$count\t$pid No match for dollar amount(s). Desc length
> = $t";
> }
> $count++;
> }
And please let me know if that helps. :)
Clay Ratliff
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:10:54 -0600
From: tadmc@metronet.com (Tad McClellan)
Subject: Re: Retrospective on comp.lang.perl.moderated?
Message-Id: <el0g67.tl.ln@magna.metronet.com>
[ added comp.lang.perl.moderated to Newsgroups and Followups ]
Leslie Mikesell (les@MCS.COM) wrote:
: In article <89fd67.lu4.ln@magna.metronet.com>,
: Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com> wrote:
: > Registration was the best way we could think of to reduce the
: > number of such postings while keeping the workload of the
^^^^^^^^
: > moderator panel at a level that would encourage the membership
^^^^^
: > of the panel to not be the empty set.
: >
: > We anxiously await the better alternative that you have in mind.
: >
: > Please share it with us.
: I thought the idea of a moderated list was to have an intelligent
: decision made about whether an article was worth propagating or
: not. Given a choice between artificial intelligence and the
: real thing, I've always preferred the latter.
I prefer the latter as well.
But as the Stones say, "You can't always get what you want".
There is no artificial intelligence in the current implementation
of clpmod, so I guess we _can_ get what we want in this case ;-)
If a _person_ has to examine every single submission, we would
need a panel of 30 moderators, or spend 20 hours a week
reviewing articles. Many of the articles would be noise that
are easily answered by Perl docs.
Finding that level of commitment amongst volunteers would
have been difficult to impossible.
The registration email gives a lot of resources that can be
used to answer Perl questions.
I expect that many first-time posters find the answer by
examining some of those resources, and withdraw their posting.
Some stats on first-time submissions might be interesting, but
I don't know that we have then information needed to make any
meaningful conclusions about them.
Registration emails that are never responded to.
I don't think we can separate the two possibilities below:
some because they found their answer in the docs
some because they were "put off" by the act or registering
First-time posts where the poster withdrew their post.
First-time posts where the submitter registered and the
first post was subsequently approved.
First-time posts where the submitter registered and the
first post was subsequently rejected.
--
Tad McClellan SGML Consulting
tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: 1 Jan 1999 08:08:26 GMT
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Retrospective on comp.lang.perl.moderated?
Message-Id: <76hvpq$dqk$1@news.NERO.NET>
In article <el0g67.tl.ln@magna.metronet.com>,
Tad McClellan <tadmc@metronet.com> wrote:
>
>[ added comp.lang.perl.moderated to Newsgroups and Followups ]
And removed again since this has absolutely nothing to do with
programming perl and is thus completely off topic for the moderated
group. Notice how the moderators want to talk about it so it gets
approved anyway. Who needs a charter, huh?
> If a _person_ has to examine every single submission, we would
> need a panel of 30 moderators, or spend 20 hours a week
> reviewing articles. Many of the articles would be noise that
> are easily answered by Perl docs.
Excuse me, Tad, but we were all told that a person DOES examine every
submission before it is approved. Of course, that's after someone takes
the trivial step of registering. Once someone is registered, there is
nothing at all to stop him from posting those awful FAQs that nobody
wants to see.
Do you have some statistics on how many people post once and never
register? Something like ten per week, one per week...
> I expect that many first-time posters find the answer by
> examining some of those resources, and withdraw their posting.
Numbers? I expect that many first-time posters avoid the moderated group
altogether since there is an unmoderated group.
> Registration emails that are never responded to.
> I don't think we can separate the two possibilities below:
>
> some because they found their answer in the docs
>
> some because they were "put off" by the act or registering
We don't have to. If the claim is that registration is saving the
moderators from having to deal with a "boatload" of articles, then
simply counting up the unregistered postings will tell us that. The
only evidence we have that there is a boatload of these articles is your
conjecture, which isn't much evidence at all.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:46:07 -0000
From: "Tony" <tspencer@exconet.co.uk>
Subject: Scripts
Message-Id: <368cc4f9.0@glitch.nildram.co.uk>
Does anyone know where I can download Perl scripts of different games.
I want to put up a web site comprising of different games all run by Perl
scripts.
I already have the following...
Hangman
Concentration
Chess (Although cannot get the mailer to work)
Thanks
Tony
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:49:54 -0800
From: TRG Software <chatmaster@c-zone.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks! and happy new year!
Message-Id: <368CA852.EEC6DE4B@c-zone.net>
Gregg Silk wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone so far. I am amazed at what a helpful and polite group this
> is. I have seen newgroups for other languages where it seems like some people
> spend their whole so-called lives flaming newbies and telling them to post
> elsewhere.
Are you sure you have the right NG!? :-)
--
Regards,
Tim Greer - chatmaster@c-zone.net
TRG Software and The Link Worm
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Date: 12 Dec 98 21:33:47 GMT (Last modified)
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Subject: Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Dec 98)
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]Date: 21 Sep 1998 19:53:43 -0700
]Subject: comp.lang.perl.moderated available via e-mail
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