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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (jik@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Sun Mar 4 15:01:29 1990

From: jik@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 90 15:00:57 -0500
To: bug-moira@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
I'm not even sure the first bug he mentions is a bug; I was under the
impression that you *can* delete yourself from any mailing list of
which you are a member.

The latter, hwoever, is definitely a problem.  When you use "-nomenu",
it resends the entire menu after every character typed, and other
grossnesses.  I've seen a Professor try to cope with this when
telnet'd to Athena from a workstation in the psychology building, and
it's not a pretty sight.

/***** paris:changes / raeburn /  2:32 pm  Aug  2, 1989*/
From raeburn@ATHENA.MIT.EDU  Wed Aug  2 14:32:12 1989
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 89 14:31:14 EDT
From: Ken Raeburn <raeburn@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
To: sms-bugs@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject: permission to delete self from list


I've told Brian about the "-nomenu" option to listmaint &c, but the
other is an administrative policy question....

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 89 13:35:10 EDT
From: hindmost@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
To: bugs@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject: smsuser programs lose big


I'm not sure who to send my comments to, but 
I've found sever major shortcomings in the programs
to manipulate mailing lists.  In short:
  * You should be able to delete yourself from ANY list;
    having to find a list administrator to remove you is
    really silly, and I can see no useful reason why you
    should be prevented from doing so yourself.
  * Every program (smsusr, listmaint, mailmaint) I've 
    seen to add/delete yourself from mailing lists depends
    on a VT100/xterm terminal; try using one of these
    from a terminal without reasonable cursor control
    (much to my dismay, I'm on an IBM 3279 at the moment) 
    and you'll see that they're doing something really
    wrong (re-sending every screen 3 times, not providing
    reasonable prompts, etc.)
I'm uncertain whether listmaint and mailmaint are supposed
to be 'supported', but many students who go away for the
summers use them to reduce their mail; for those of us
far away without an ANSI terminal, they're ridiculously
misfeatured...

                        -Brian
(these relate to /mit/smsuser/vax/{listmaint,mailmaint},
with whatever locker is generally bound to smsuser; I don't
have the patience to go looking for it over this monstrously
slow connection...)

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