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Re: mail failed, returning to sender

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Y. Ts'o)
Tue Nov 24 00:19:11 1998

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:19:00 -0500
From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>, kerberos-request@MIT.EDU,
        postmaster@MIT.EDU, moiradev@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: Randy Bush's message of Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:11:29 -0800 (PST),
	<m0ziAl7-0008G5C@rip.psg.com>

   Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:11:29 -0800 (PST)
   From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>

   then use the current aliases, and make the envelope from kerberos-request.
   or at least postmaster.  having bounces go to the message sender is rather
   poor net citizenship.  i demand a refund!  :-)

I can't use the current aliases file, since we're using an older version
of sendmail (since the new ones have resource limits that would blow up
given our mailhub --- the latest versions of sendmail are not
necessarily better than a carefully patched and mainted version of
sendmail 5.61).  The only way I can set the envelope is with a secondary
sendmail invocation, and that requires an additional aliases file entry
per mailing list, plus the added hit of running a second sendmail
process per mailing list processed in this way.

Trust us, we know what we're doing.  It's just hard to do given the
other things that our mailhubs have to do.

Like I said earlier, the easist way for me to solve this is for me to
bring up a completely separate majordomo server.  I just don't have the
time to do it at the moment.  One of these days.....

I'd be happy to give you triple-your-money-back for your subscription
fee for the Kerberos list if you like.  :-)

						- Ted


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