[1211] in Moira
Re: mail failed, returning to sender
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Y. Ts'o)
Mon Nov 23 23:10:08 1998
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:09:57 -0500
From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@MIT.EDU>, kerberos-request@MIT.EDU,
postmaster@MIT.EDU, moiradev@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: Randy Bush's message of Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:13:16 -0800 (PST),
<m0zi8ui-0008G5C@rip.psg.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:13:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
> I've removed the bouncing address from the Kerberos server;
there were a whole bunch more
Matt Crawford sent me four more, which I've since removed.
> my apologies for the inconvenience. Of these days I'll have the time to
> set up a majordomo server, really I will
these problems are not the list server, which allow folk to add/drop from
the list.
it's how incoming messages are sent through the mta. they need to be from
list-owner as opposed to keeping the original MAIL_FROM:. bounces go to the
MAIL_FROM:, which is why they come to the sender and you never see them.
I know, I know. The problem is that the mailing lists supported by the
MIT mailhub are really designed for internal-to-MIT mailing lists, and
don't work well at all for external mailing lists. As such, they don't
support setting the SMTP envelope address to kerberos-request, which is
the right thing to do.
So right now, my only approach to solving this problem is to move the
list off the main MIT mailhubs, and set up my own majordomo server, and
I simply haven't had the time to do that yet.
(Hmm... maybe if a bribe the Moira developers with enough bags of M&M's
they'll add a bit to the Moira database entry for lists which indicate
whether or not the alias file should be set up to redirect the SMTP
envelopment from field to the owner list. :-)
- Ted
