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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sam Hartman)
Thu Sep 19 17:05:09 1996

To: georgesr@wrq.com
Cc: kerberos@MIT.EDU
From: Sam Hartman <hartmans@MIT.EDU>
Date: 19 Sep 1996 16:45:27 -0400
In-Reply-To: georgesr@wrq.com's message of Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:58:49 -0700

>>>>> "georgesr" == georgesr  <georgesr@wrq.com> writes:

    georgesr> Thank you Sam for your reply on the telnet questions I
    georgesr> had. However I still have couple more questions

    georgesr> I agree that a checksum is good to enhance
    georgesr> authentication. However at this time it still looks
    georgesr> pretty week in telnet since it checksums a known value
    georgesr> (i.e. two bytes) and the checksum itself is CRC32
    georgesr> (granted that it is included in the encrypted
    georgesr> ap_req). Does this mean that future telnet clients can
    georgesr> be configured to use stronger checksums (like
    georgesr> RSA_DES_MD5)?


	I certainly think that the strength of the checksum will
improve, although I don't expect telnet to benefit much from this.  As
you point out, it's a known value being checksumed, so the benefit of
a cryptographic checksum is not likely to be very great.  It's not a
major problem since the checksum is encrypted in the authenticator.

	I see a need for new telnet authentication spec about a year
ago.  I do not know of anyone who is close to getting them to happen.
I do not know of any product (comercial or otherwise) who actually
follows current specs.

--Sam

    georgesr>   Also my concern (which I am dealing with
    georgesr> anyway) is that, there are commercial telnetd out there
    georgesr> that use the older stuff. And I (like others) have to
    georgesr> support both versions in my clients. At this time I
    georgesr> succeeded to make my telnet client work with both
    georgesr> versions and I see the benefit of the newer stuff.  So
    georgesr> in short, do you forsee new telnet authentication specs
    georgesr> comming out in the near future?  Thank you again for
    georgesr> your reply Regards Georges Rahbani (LFI, FAS, Chapman,
    georgesr> GTC, ... grad.)  Reflection Secure Group Walker Richer &
    georgesr> Quinn, Inc.  georgesr@wrq.com

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