[91415] in Cypherpunks
Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (tom)
Thu Dec 4 20:26:46 1997
From: tom <tom@Empire.Net>
To: whgiii@invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:16:00 -0500 (EST)
Cc: holovacs@idt.net, declan@well.com, jim.burnes@ssds.com,
fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu, cypherpunks@toad.com
In-Reply-To: <199712041305.IAA30177@users.invweb.net> from "William H. Geiger III" at Dec 4, 97 06:38:06 am
Reply-To: tom <tom@Empire.Net>
William H. Geiger II writes:
>
>
> In <1.5.4.32.19971204114530.006ef8dc@idt.net>, on 12/04/97
> at 06:45 AM, Jay Holovacs <holovacs@idt.net> said:
>
>
> >At 05:16 PM 12/3/97 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Libertarians are self-governors in both personal and economic matters.
> >>They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion
> >>and violence. They value individual responsibility, and tolerate economic
> >>and social diversity.
> >>
>
> >Interestingly, New Jersey's recent Libertarian candidate (Sabrin) lost my
> >wife's vote when his own ads portrayed him as anti choice.
>
> <sigh> Do I really want to start this thread up ....
>
> An intriguing selection of NewSpeak being used here. The forcible ending
> of another humans life is wrong (add in the standard caveats for
> self-defence). When it is a planed event it is called Murder. No society
> in the history of mankind has permitted unrestricted murder of fellow
> members of society on such superficial excuses of inconvenience.
>
> To call this murder "choice" just doesn't pass the straight face test. It
> is on the same level as calling what the Germans did to the Jews "choice".
>
> >Several members of the religious right also call themselves libertarians.
>
> >Sometimes what is meant is freedom from interference in the market rather
> >than real freedom.
>
> While such superficial labeling may make it easier for you and your wife
> to sleep at night it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. This is
> neither a religious issue nor a left-right issue any more than theft is.
>
> Nothing inconsistent with being a Libertarian and anti Murder.
>
Semantics.
When does a piece of tissue become a human being? When is it a 'life'?
First define your terms. Then talk about murder.
Tom
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