[90650] in Cypherpunks
Open Borders and the Welfare State
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim May)
Fri Nov 21 22:44:51 1997
In-Reply-To: <NV2Hge33w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:21:03 -0700
To: cypherpunks@sirius.infonex.com
From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net>
Reply-To: Tim May <tcmay@got.net>
At 8:22 PM -0700 11/20/97, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
>Jon Galt <jongalt@pinn.net> writes:
>> What gives the hoodlums in Washington, D.C. the right to draw a line on a
>> map and try to control people's travel across that line?
>
>Nothing. Timmy C[...] May has exposed himself once again as a statist scum no
>different from the reputed Jap pedophile Hirochi "no crypto for the four
>politically incorrect horsepersons" Ito, geodesic baron Hettiga and the
>jackbooted Nazi KKKent KKKrispin[1]. National borders are an artifact of a
>state and must be destroyed together with the state. What makes Timmy any more
>"legal" in California than some poor slob who was born a few hundred miles
>south? People should be free to live where they want to / can afford to.
There is little chance of discussing things with Vulis once he has fixated
on something.
But for others, I specifically pointed out:
"
(At a more abstract level, I support the idea of completely open borders,
provided we end all forcible contributions to welfare, medical care,
schools, job quotas, etc. But so long as taxpayers are paying 60% of
everything earned, as I am, to support others, the rules about entry to the
U.S. must be enforced.)
"
As this implies, I have no problem with the "People should be free to live
where they want to / can afford to." point that Vulis makes. Provided of
course that I am NOT taxed to pay for the hordes who would move in if free
medical care, free housing, etc., are provided by taxes.
Note that in Mexico things are vastly, vastly more "repressive" than in the
U.S. Mexican schools are not open to foreigners. And getting a work permit
is nearly impossible.
(This was a crucial plot element in the movie "The Treasure of the Sierra
Madre," and things have not changed significantly in the past half century.)
I also agree with the "National borders are an artifact of a state and must
be destroyed together with the state. " point. Assuming both can be done at
the same time, great.
But I'll be damned if I'll be happy paying $6000 a year JUST IN PROPERTY
TAXES ALONE to support the Pajaro Valley Unified School District, which
wants to build several new schools to handle the overflow of Mexican kids
who have moved into the area with their mothers.
And it's ludicrous the way U.S. laws let a Mexican woman sneak across the
border, have her kid in a taxpayer-funded hospital, and then her kid gets
all the Sugar Daddy benefits of the American Welfare State. I know there
are no other countries in the world, or at least not in the Western world,
which would tolerate this. Certainly European countries do not grant
citizenship so trivially.
Open the borders, but stop taxing me first.
--Tim May
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