[66358] in Cypherpunks
Re: AP [was: Re: Kiddie porn on the Internet] [NOISE]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dan Harmon)
Tue Sep 24 18:20:39 1996
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:12:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dan Harmon <harmon@tenet.edu>
To: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com>
Cc: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com>, cypherpunks@toad.com
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960923194435.15255A-100000@crl2.crl.com>
HERE, HERE!
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
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> SANDY SANDFORT
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> C'punks,
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> On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
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> > There is no such thing as an "ordinary citizen". When the U.S. commits
> > war crimes in Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, and elsewhere,
> > every American taxpayer is an accomplice and a fair game.
>
> Illogical collectivist claptrap. When a taxpayer is targeted by
> terrorists, he has been victimized twice--first by the government
> that stole his money, second by the terrorist that punished him
> for the (alleged) acts others commited with that money. If a
> mugger buys a gun with the money he took from me, am I then
> responsible for the murder he commits with it? Clearly not.
> This line of "reasoning" is nothing more than a sad variant of
> the old, "blame the victim" game. For shame.
>
> Let's bring this back to crypto for a moment. Dimitri's "logic"
> must necessarily lead one to the conclusion that Cypherpunks (at
> least those in the US) are responsible for whatever draconian
> restrictions "our" government puts on free speech, crypto or
> whatever. John Gilmore, Philip Zimmermann, Whit Diffie and
> others will be chagrined to learn this, I'm sure.
>
> Dimitri needs to learn what it means to be an adult. Everyone is
> totally responsible for what they do, but ONLY for what THEY do.
> No one is responsible for the unassisted, willful acts of others.
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> S a n d y
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