[44377] in Cypherpunks
Re: SKIP source release is out
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Perry E. Metzger)
Fri Dec 1 11:45:39 1995
To: markson@osmosys.incog.com (Tom Markson)
Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Dec 1995 01:19:28 PST."
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Reply-To: perry@piermont.com
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 11:13:52 -0500
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
Tom Markson writes:
> > Doug Hughes writes:
> [ Perry Metzger writes: ]
> > > >SKIP is a non-standard being pushed by Sun.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't sun trying to make it a standard
> > > (in competetion with Photuris) ?
>
> Doug, you are correct. SKIP is an IPSEC internet draft. Photuris is
> an IPSEC internet draft. Perry is incorrect in saying that SKIP is
> a non-standard. Both of the chairs of the IPSEC group have said SKIP
> is part of the IPSEC working group.
Yes, and I believe that it has also been made pretty clear that you
have a snowball's chance in hell of getting SKIP to be a first class
standard.
Anything can be part of the IPSEC working group if it insists, you
know. Anyone can publish an RFC, too.
> Phil Karn (author of Photuris) has also said this.
Other people are substantially more diplomatic than me.
> Both SKIP and Photuris are on the standards track.
No, I think that SKIP is pretty clearly headed, at best, to
elective. It isn't ever going to be a standard, period.
> > The IETF has many sorts of standards. It explicitly has a way to
> > standardize things that the IETF doesn't think are a good idea but
> > which should have the ability to interoperate if you do them.
>
> That's true, but SKIP is not in that category.
Think what you like.
> > My opinion is that it is fairly clear that Photuris is the key
> > management system people will be using, although it is going to have
> > to evolve to work with a real network wide certificate database
> > infrastructure. SKIP isn't going to be the standard.
>
> Again, in *your* opinion. No determination has been made that I know of.
Actually, Ran pretty much explicitly said in Danvers that we were
headed towards Photuris and Photuris-like protocols. I know he's a bit
more diplomatic about how he says such things, but again, I think that
the situation is fairly clear, no matter what you guys choose to tell
the trade press.
Perry
