[118923] in Cypherpunks
Re: IP: Net users must prepare for Big Brother (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Choate)
Sun Oct 10 17:04:34 1999
From: Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:56:26 -0500 (CDT)
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----- Forwarded message from Alan Olsen -----
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Olsen <alan@clueserver.org>
Subject: CDR: Re: IP: Net users must prepare for Big Brother (fwd)
On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Jim Choate wrote:
> So, what is the legal definition of an ISP? Would somebody who simply
> operates a system that one or more persons uses qualify or must the intent
> be to obtain funds for access?
And what if you are your own ISP? I see a number of problems legally with
requiring someone to keep incriminating details about themselves as a part
of businesses.
Also, will this require keeping a mirror of a person's mail spool? That
could get quite expensive for thos of us on many, many mailing lists.
Sounds like they have compiled a wish list, are trying to get it made into
a law and then hand it over to the ISPs and say "you make this idea work
for us".
The net will soon fall to micro management...
----- End of forwarded message from Alan Olsen -----
That's my exact situation, I'm my own ISP. I give a handful of accounts out
to personal friends and that's it. I believe we have a constitutional
amendment that would require probable cause and a warrant to get me to tap
my own, or my friends, communications. Besides I could always throw my
friends off and invoke the 5th.
I simply refuse to expend any system resources outside the 4-day resend
period in sendmail. I don't run an archive site. If somebody wants me to
spend my time, money, and resources doing this sort of stuff I have a bill
to send them at $80/hr for the labor plus expenses.
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