[118896] in Cypherpunks
concision (fwd)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Choate)
Sat Oct 9 19:18:47 1999
From: Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com>
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:15:33 -0500 (CDT)
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:28:59 +0200 (CEST)
From: Anonymous <nobody@replay.com>
Subject: CDR: concision
At 09:18 AM 10/9/99 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
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>All fascist and socialist are afraid of free peoples.
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All statists are afraid of freedom.
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Wrong and misleading.
Firstly, your statement is ambigous. Statist believe in the freedom of the
state to do as it sees fit. This may or may not be in opposition to personal
freedom. Depends on the particular form of nationalism that is being sold.
Simply believing in nations doesn't imply any reference to freedom. If
anything it recognizes that people bonded together are more powerful and
better able to defend themselves than when alone. If the particular statist
believes that management of resources is best accomplished by centralized
control then one can argue, with proviso, that they are oppossed to
individual freedom.
Statism may in fact be more liberating, consider the recent discussion about
the seperatist movement in Canada. Clearly the French speaking peoples want
their own seperate state. This is without a doubt in their best interest if
we are talking about their expressing their desired life style in contrast
to that being imposed by the English constituent.
One could even argue (and I do) that rampant centralism (the belief in
global economies and political systems) are more dangerous than statist.
Now if you're pushing crypto-anarchy then you're lost in the ozone of
self-delusion.
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