[117191] in Cypherpunks
RE: Project: Hardening Crypto Against Big Brother's "Black Bag" Intrusions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Lucky Green)
Sat Aug 28 00:43:40 1999
From: "Lucky Green" <shamrock@cypherpunks.to>
To: "Petro" <petro@suba.com>, <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:26:19 -0700
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cypherpunks@Algebra.COM
> [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of Petro
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 16:49
> To: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
> Subject: Re: Project: Hardening Crypto Against Big Brother's "Black Bag"
> Intrusions
>
>
>
> >At 02:08 PM 8/24/99 -0700, Petro wrote:
> >>
> >> I was wondering though--what if one were to use "less that
> >>lethal" means? like a setup that if you pulled the case off your
> >>machine, the room gets flooded with nitros oxide so the "agent"
> >>passes out--hopefully long enough for you to get home, find him
> >>passed out, rough him up, and call the police and Newspapers...
> >>
> >> You'd also have to do something about locking him IN the room
> >
> >I think I posted something about this a week or so ago. "Indescriminate
> >weapons" are illegal, but with all the recent automated video
> >identification technology coming on tap its quite possible that an
> >automated threat assessment system could be created that had sufficient
> >descrimination to use force (even lethal force in the case of "hot
> >entries," especiall warrentless ninja jobs) and pass judicial muster.
>
> But it's not a "weapon" in that it is intended to cause harm,
> it simply incapacitates--in a fairly gentle way--the agent.
I have designed a secure hardware key storage device that makes use of a
tiny explosive charge (less than the charge in an airbag). Any "explosion"
would be contained entirely to the inside of the device and not even cause
damage the computer in which the device is installed. Much less does the
device endanger the operator in any way. The ATF has informed me that such a
device would be considered a "booby trap" under ATF regulations and that
anybody building or deploying such a device will face 10 years imprisonment
in a federal penitentiary.
--Lucky
