[117053] in Cypherpunks
Re: Spamming with privacy issues and Population becoming fed-up
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jean-Francois Avon)
Wed Aug 25 18:38:44 1999
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From: "Jean-Francois Avon" <jf_avon@citenet.net>
To: "Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks@toad.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:13:24 -0400
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On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:55:38 +0300 (EEST), Zombie Cow wrote:
>Well, it doesn't pay much to preach to the converted. At most
>you can coordinate your actions and share propaganda material.
>The message needs to be continuoysly sent to new people to have
>any real influence. (The art of stealth spamming..)
Dear Zombie Cow.
I don't fully agree here. There are many stages in the process. First, they
had to realize the issue. It took me quite a while, posting mostly material
to which they could relate to. It mainly consisted of making parallels
between the war against tools of self-defence (guns) and war against privacy
(expressed as a war against crypto). Then, later, I introduced some more
crypto and political concepts and subtilities that are being pulled at The
Game. It is not easy for people who were tought to think along the line of
"if you have done nothing wrong, why object to a govt. search?" to change
their basic premises.
As for spamming the Cypherpunks with gun issues, I was more hoping that since
the crypto-community recognized the similitude between the two fights, they
would be interested in drawing parallels and would appreciate to stay in touch
with at least the Tyran's moves, if only to exploit the tranferrable counter
tactics of freedom fighters in the gun world.
But it seems that some very vocal members of CPunks opposed to that,
notwithstanding the fact that I got much more flowers than flames on the
topic.
Anywho, after being fed-up of replying to Tim May, I just got away.
Now, the principal reason I am on CPunks is to stay in touch with the rights
violation so that I can enhance the firearms fight and turn it into what it
really is: an attack against private liberty and the ever more power-hungry
statist govt.
>However, most people are reluctant to step outside the bubble of
>reality they've constructed. (A'la Matrix) And even more just prefer
>to stay in them. For this purpose the message needs to have shocking
>news value to the group. And if not, make sure you wear your
>helmet and fire-gear when you do send it to the yet unconverted.
Guess what! Been there, done that. I was killfiled or censored many times in
firearms forums, even on my mildest posts. Idiots and moles are not hovering
only around Cypherpunks, you know. I was also flamed regularly. Now, I have
a group of Freedom advocates that understand the concept and that are not shy
of using the delete button if they are not interested. I actually conducted a
survey on the very topic of spamming and got only positive replies.
>For example, it may be just too horrible to come to grips with the
>fact that Americans have virtually slaughtered and starved to death
>1.7 million women and children in Iraq, so most of them just choose to
Yeah, and don't forget us, from the Komradship of Kanada, who gave the US,
with many others, the moral sanction for that act of war and the more recent
ones in Serbia done by the franerty of thugs also known as NATO...
Ciao
jfa
Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds (Montreal), Canada
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